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[screwoffreg]

I heard tales of the old forums where the writers/developers would get pissed and flame their critics. That would be interesting, lmao.

[bjdbwea]

We can't really know, because we have no idea what exactly happened at BioWare. How much is the result of just unable writers, and how much was due to decisions from above? On what kind of time frame were they working anyway? All things we don't know, but the complete and total lack of any communication tells me that at least no one seems to think they did a good job. They even tried to defend planet scanning! But not the way they handled the ME 1 LIs... Insight is the first step to do better next time? One can only hope.



Personally, I think the writers from ME 1 would never have produced a main story so weak and bad, and they wouldn't have trashed and sidelined their own characters, IF they had been given the same amount of time and resources they had for ME 1, as well as the freedom they had as long as BioWare was independent.

[Asheer_Khan]

Wow... i just watched some FFXIII vids on Youtube and must say that Bioware could much learn from Square about RPG elements in game.

That prebattle setups where you can assigned to each character different jobs during combat looked absolutely stunning... and it was little weird to hear Ligthning speaking Lia's voice^^ (of course i known that they have similar VO actrees).



I wonder what kind of graphic engine they use because detail level is amazing too even for console games.

[screwoffreg]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Wow... i just watched some FFXIII vids on Youtube and must say that Bioware could much learn from Square about RPG elements in game.
That prebattle setups where you can assigned to each character different jobs during combat looked absolutely stunning... and it was little weird to hear Ligthning speaking Lia's voice^^ (of course i known that they have similar VO actrees).

I wonder what kind of graphic engine they use because detail level is amazing too even for console games.

An unholy union with Square would produce many benefits...and some flaws.

Imagine Liara as a final boss of some kind while Tali is stabbed to death by an evil character with white hair and a flowing black cloak.  Also, Shepard is androgynous and likely a teenager.

Then again we'd get awesome romance scenes, lol.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 08:06 .

[WilliamShatner]

screwoffreg wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I think you underestimate the size of Liara's fanbase, screw, and how big it still remains even though BW did their absolute best to get players to hate her in ME2. Liara always does extremely well in character polls here, has one of the largest and most viewed fan groups, has one of the largest support threads, and from seeing what people say on the internet remains incredibly popular and well thought of, despite ME2's handling of her. People are puzzled, confused, frustrated, angry and disappointed about what BW did with Liara, but that just shows that they care.

Plus, it's not really fair to compare Liara's fan reaction to Tali's. Tali got a full squadmate role, is a new romance option and has been designed to be as appealing as possible. Liara has received a small cameo role, and has been designed so that people grow distasteful of her. Yet she still remains incredibly popular. Redemption's commercial success is testament to that.

I think we understate the amount of people who never played ME 1 though.  ME 2 has drawn in a new audience, many who will NEVER go back to the first game and imagine their reaction to Liara:

Ok, I supposedly know this girl from the past...
Wow, she's cold as ice.
Hey, Miranda/Tali/Jack/Kelly are nice to me...
See ya!

If Bioware is really aiming for the "stand alone" option for their games, and you only use the context of what you have seen of Liara thus far...it's not looking so hot.  I think the company has gone on the wrong road for "complexity" for their character and instead just made her look bad and stupid, to be honest.  Not what she deserved.

Tali is pretty much the white picket fences romance.  I imagine in ME 3, when she reveals her face, she will look like a cross between Megan Fox and Natalie Portman and her and Shepard will ride out into the Quarian sunset.

Liara reminds of me Viconia in BG II, the days where games actually had consequences.  She was the most difficult romance in the game and you could actually FAIL pretty easily and have her turn her back on you forever.  Yet, in the end she has a pretty profound change and she has a sweet ending...at least until she gets murdered, but hey what can you do...

ME1 is currently 500,000 copies ahead of ME2 and with ME2 selling less an 10,000 on a weekly basis now it's highly unlikely that ME2 will outsell ME1.

Also in terms of RPG, Fallout 3 sold more copies than ME1 and ME2 combined.  So hopefully this sticks it to BioWare and their "players don't like inventory" nonsense.

[screwoffreg]

Don't underestimate the power of discounts. When Bioware dropped the price of ME 1 to twenty dollars, sales surged for those months. Also, I imagine there will be discounts when the expansion is released

They could learn from Bethesda and do a game of the year edition.

I don't know if you WANT them to learn from Bethesda as their character development doesn't EXIST.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 08:09 .

[screwoffreg]

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I heard tales of the old forums where the writers/developers would get pissed and flame their critics. That would be interesting, lmao.

Honestly, I'd love to see this. That would make for some super interesting reading!! I'd just sit back and enjoy the show.

Ah, the days when developers would directly interact and defend their work is probably long gone, but I imagine it would be interesting.  If I ever was famous I'd love to mix it up occasionally with my online critics, just for the kicks.

Steve Jobs from Apple occasionally responds to personal emails from customers with some edgy replies.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 08:11 .

[OldMan91]

I'd like to ask something: Why are all Liara fans so polite and considerate? I'm liking the mood in this thread!

[morrie23]

Her blueness is calming....

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...

justinnstuff wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I heard tales of the old forums where the writers/developers would get pissed and flame their critics. That would be interesting, lmao.

Honestly, I'd love to see this. That would make for some super interesting reading!! I'd just sit back and enjoy the show.

Ah, the days when developers would directly interact and defend their work is probably long gone, but I imagine it would be interesting.  If I ever was famous I'd love to mix it up occasionally with my online critics, just for the kicks.

Steve Jobs from Apple occasionally responds to personal emails from customers with some edgy replies.

Who in the world would want to do that?  Would you honestly want to be the guy to come to the forum and defend the "I's has to saves the Ferons lolz!!!" motivation behind all of Liara's changes and reasonings?  I certainly wouldn't want to be, especially if I had already read all of our speculations leading up to Redemption's ending.

[Asheer_Khan]

screwoffreg wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Wow... i just watched some FFXIII vids on Youtube and must say that Bioware could much learn from Square about RPG elements in game.
That prebattle setups where you can assigned to each character different jobs during combat looked absolutely stunning... and it was little weird to hear Ligthning speaking Lia's voice^^ (of course i known that they have similar VO actrees).

I wonder what kind of graphic engine they use because detail level is amazing too even for console games.

An unholy union with Square would produce many benefits...and some flaws.

Imagine Liara as a final boss of some kind while Tali is stabbed to death by an evil character with white hair and a flowing black cloak.  Also, Shepard is androgynous and likely a teenager.

Then again we'd get awesome romance scenes, lol.

Nevertheless i am pretty sure that even such hilarious version of ME would be looooot beter that ME 2:O
but i would rather set up Timmy as main boss and Super Teenage Shepard team would have mission to bring him down riding whit Lia on Cocobos through Citadel wards:D:O:D.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 26 avril 2010 - 08:15 .

[Sunnie]

Nozybidaj wrote...

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

LOL, My ahole boss calls me a pessimist all the time, every time I remind him that you cant shove 30 pounds of crap in a 2 pound bag. What is it with some men anyway, do we intimidate them that much???

[screwoffreg]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Who in the world would want to do that?  Would you honestly want to be the guy to come to the forum and defend the "I's has to saves the Ferons lolz!!!" motivation behind all of Liara's changes and reasonings?  I certainly wouldn't want to be, especially if I had already read all of our speculations leading up to Redemption's ending.

I am assuming that the work would be defensible. 

Modifié par screwoffreg, 26 avril 2010 - 08:19 .

[screwoffreg]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

LOL, My ahole boss calls me a pessimist all the time, every time I remind him that you cant shove 30 pounds of crap in a 2 pound bag. What is it with some men anyway, do we intimidate them that much???

"Why do we not rule?" -Silk Fox, Jade Empire

[Nozybidaj]

screwoffreg wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...
Ah, the days when developers would directly interact and defend their work is probably long gone, but I imagine it would be interesting.  If I ever was famous I'd love to mix it up occasionally with my online critics, just for the kicks.

Steve Jobs from Apple occasionally responds to personal emails from customers with some edgy replies.

Who in the world would want to do that?  Would you honestly want to be the guy to come to the forum and defend the "I's has to saves the Ferons lolz!!!" motivation behind all of Liara's changes and reasonings?  I certainly wouldn't want to be, especially if I had already read all of our speculations leading up to Redemption's ending.

I am assuming that the work would be defensible. 

hehe, I was going to post something along the lines of, "at least ME1 had something to defend" but I like to post the "ferons lolz" quote to drive the point home.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 26 avril 2010 - 08:20 .

[Nivenus]

OldMan91 wrote...

I'd like to ask something: Why are all Liara fans so polite and considerate? I'm liking the mood in this thread!

Unless you're a BioWare writer apparently.

*ahem*

Actually, most of the character threads are pretty well-behaved these days. I can't remember the last time I popped into a character thread where the regular posters were flaming one another. Partially, I think, that's the moderators stepping in recently. Mostly, though, I think it's just the fans within the threads usually all find an equilibrium among themselves, to which there's no point of disturbing. A thread consensus, so to speak.

On the topic of the ME1 LIs, I totally see the point about them being dismissed, but I do not think this was a decision by EA. Drew Karpyshyn remained one of the chief writers for ME2, even if he shared that role with Mac Walters. Actually, if anything, ME2 cemented in my mind the idea that BioWare has had this all planned out. There sheer amount of foreshadowing for ME2 I see in ME1 in hindsight is just astonishing. Sure, Cerberus was obvious, but there's a lot more.

ME2 is meant to be a second-entry point to the series, like most second chapters in a trilogy. I think this, primarily, is the reason behind the low attention given to Liara, Ashley, and Kaidan.

[Sunnie]

justinnstuff wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist.

LOL, My ahole boss calls me a pessimist all the time, every time I remind him that you cant shove 30 pounds of crap in a 2 pound bag. What is it with some men anyway, do we intimidate them that much???

I'll be honest. Most men are useless 

Well, not totally, there are times when heavy lifting needs brute strength /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/28195.gif