LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Also, Liara not really explaining more about her "friend" is more for meta reasons. It's basically BioWare saying "You want to find out more? Buy the new comic book!"
Wow, is it really? Pretty sneaky!
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:40
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Wow, is it really? Pretty sneaky!
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:42
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
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If her purpose was to destroy the SB for the better of the galaxy, Shepard would be the best help she could wish for. Same if she's out to find and possibly free that Drell. Except if she wouldn't dare to tell Shepard about her "friend"... urgh. I know you have dismissed that idea, but with BioWare/EA nothing would surprise me anymore.
She doesn't ask for Shepard's help in her quest, because Liara is aware of just how important Shepard's current mission is. Liara can't distract Shepard from that, and she realises how important it is that Shepard succeed in this mission, and that if Shepard is distracted there's a very good chance she could die. Liara doesn't disclose the full extent of her hunt for the Shadow Broker, or ask for Shepard's help on an even greater level because she's trying to protect her, and ensure she succeeds in her mission and comes back alive.
that does not really fit her protect shepard and making sure she comes back alive you would give her everything you have to make sure you see her again
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:42
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Well, to me it seems the mission wasn't that important after all. I mean, Shepard has time to not only go and collect a dozen people, but also to travel back and forth through whole the galaxy to solve their personal problems. How's that for distraction too.
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:48
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Helping Liara find and locate such an elusive and powerful entity as the Shadow Broker is alot more of a harder, arduous and difficult task than helping a woman ensure the safety of her sister, helping someone kill their daughter, protecting an assassin's son or helping someone exact revenge.
Liara's hunt for the SB is on a far greater scale than any loyalty mission, and alot more difficult to accomplish too. Liara would want to keep Shepard away until after the suicide mission is complete, in order to ensure Shepard gets back alive. Liara is protecting her.
Liara's hunt for the SB is on a far greater scale than any loyalty mission, and alot more difficult to accomplish too. Liara would want to keep Shepard away until after the suicide mission is complete, in order to ensure Shepard gets back alive. Liara is protecting her.
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:51
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Helping Liara find and locate such an elusive and powerful entity as the Shadow Broker is alot more of a harder, arduous and difficult task than helping a woman ensure the safety of her sister, helping someone kill their daughter, protecting an assassin's son or helping someone exact revenge.
Liara's hunt for the SB is on a far greater scale than any loyalty mission, and alot more difficult to accomplish too. Liara would want to keep Shepard away until after the suicide mission is complete, in order to ensure Shepard gets back alive. Liara is protecting her.
I still dont think shepard needs any protecting we are talking about the most bad ass solider ever who came back from the dead I think its more liara is trying to get her away because she knows shepard has big stuff to do and that she will not be able to deal with the sb with shepard being around
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Posté 26 avril 2010 - 11:52
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@ Bjd that's why I think the hype in the marketing is pretty lame. It's so easyf or Shepard to get everyone to survive.
I also think Liara and Kaidan have this intrinsic trust in Shepard, that since Shepard has already conquered death once, Shep will be even harder to kill. I don;t think they are that worried about Shep other than her affiliation with Cerberus. Another reason why they don't just up and join her, much to the fans' displeasure.
I also think Liara and Kaidan have this intrinsic trust in Shepard, that since Shepard has already conquered death once, Shep will be even harder to kill. I don;t think they are that worried about Shep other than her affiliation with Cerberus. Another reason why they don't just up and join her, much to the fans' displeasure.
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I still dont think shepard needs any protecting we are talking about the most bad ass solider ever who came back from the dead I think its more liara is trying to get her away because she knows shepard has big stuff to do and that she will not be able to deal with the sb with shepard being around
It's not protection in a physical sense, more an emotional and mental one. If Liara lets Shepard know that the Shadow Broker is aiding the Reapers, and needs to be stopped, what are Shepard's chances of survival going to be if she has all of that on her plate too? Liara is protecting Shepard in the sense that she wants her to come home alive, and doesn't want Shepard distracted at all by another huge player or tool of the Reapers.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:04
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
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I still dont think shepard needs any protecting we are talking about the most bad ass solider ever who came back from the dead I think its more liara is trying to get her away because she knows shepard has big stuff to do and that she will not be able to deal with the sb with shepard being around
It's not protection in a physical sense, more an emotional and mental one. If Liara lets Shepard know that the Shadow Broker is aiding the Reapers, and needs to be stopped, what are Shepard's chances of survival going to be if she has all of that on her plate too? Liara is protecting Shepard in the sense that she wants her to come home alive, and doesn't want Shepard distracted at all by another huge player or tool of the Reapers.
yea but its not that hard to work out tim mentions it in the game I think that the collectors were after your body I do think we read to much into it and that is biowares fault for making it way more compilcated than it needed being
they could have just done she is scared she would be hated for giving miranda your body and upset that shepard sent her away before she dies
seeing your loved one die in front of you and you cannot do anything to stop it makes you feel powerless and makes you go into yourself or throw yourself into your work
btw sorry for keep saying she for shepard most of my shepards are fem so shepard is a fem for me
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:04
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I still dont think shepard needs any protecting we are talking about the most bad ass solider ever who came back from the dead I think its more liara is trying to get her away because she knows shepard has big stuff to do and that she will not be able to deal with the sb with shepard being around
So she thinks Shepard would only distract her? Interesting, it might just happen.
The other explanation, that she could try to avoid attachment in order to avoid the pain of losing Shepard again, is even more plausible, I think. One could interpret the way she breaks up the kiss in this context. The problem is that it's just not made clear. You just can't leave the scene like that and never say a word about it. That's not how story telling works. Same with the theory of her wanting to protect Shepard. For all we know, nothing can stop Shepard. If someone in the game "thinks" otherwise, we need to be told.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:05
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Going back to what you said Shav about Liara deducing the Collectors' connection to the Reapers herself, or possibly disocvering that the Collectors were the Protheans, I think that's a distinct possibility. We know how intelligent Liara is from ME1, and how she correctly theorised that galactic extinction occurs in cycles, and that as each race reaches the apex of it's glory, it is violently cast down and exterminated. For someone so relatively young to deduce that, all by herself as well when others in her field haven't considered it for centuries, show's Liara's intuition, her intelligence, and her aptitude too. It's entirely possible that Liara would know that the Collectors are minions of the Reapers, without the data cache she has from the Shadow Broker detailing that. Liara is a very intellligent person.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:19
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yea but its not that hard to work out tim mentions it in the game I think that the collectors were after your body I do think we read to much into it and that is biowares fault for making it way more compilcated than it needed being
they could have just done she is scared she would be hated for giving miranda your body and upset that shepard sent her away before she dies
seeing your loved one die in front of you and you cannot do anything to stop it makes you feel powerless and makes you go into yourself or throw yourself into your work
btw sorry for keep saying she for shepard most of my shepards are fem so shepard is a fem for me
Heh, you're missing the point I'm trying to make.
I'm saying that Liara would not want to disclose the full extent of the Shadow Broker's involvement with the Reapers, or allow Shepard to help her any further, because Liara is aware of just how risky and dangerous Shepard's current mission is. She doesn't want Shepard to be distracted at all by learning that the Reapers have another pawn that needs to be dealt with, and Liara doesn't want more things for Shepard to worry about, all of which could affect Shepard's performance and cost her her life.
That way, Liara withholds teling Shepard the full extent of her hunt for the Shadow Broker, or letting her help out, because she's protecting Shepard. She's making sure that she comes home alive by not distracting her.
Also, don't worry about referring to Shepard as "she." I do it all the time now, I'm a FemShep convert. ;-)
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:22
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I understand but that is not what plays out what plays out is she is after the sb because of her friend ferron
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:28
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Not if you get the hidden dialogue, that isn't very indicative at all, in the game away. it's best to set the fiasco that is the comic aside, and ignore the whole Feron angle. he's just space filler, basically.
Liara also can;t get into very much because her office is most likely bugged, and she is being watched. It will be interesting to see what Liara would say to Shepard if they were in complete private. Or do, lol.
Liara also can;t get into very much because her office is most likely bugged, and she is being watched. It will be interesting to see what Liara would say to Shepard if they were in complete private. Or do, lol.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:31
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I understand but that is not what plays out what plays out is she is after the sb because of her friend ferron
Here, it sounds like you missed this dialogue choice, wolf. Watch this, and you'll see just what is really going on with Liara, how she feels about Shepard, and her true motive for going after the Shadow Broker:
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:40
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
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I understand but that is not what plays out what plays out is she is after the sb because of her friend ferron
Here, it sounds like you missed this dialogue choice, wolf. Watch this, and you'll see just what is really going on with Liara, how she feels about Shepard, and her true motive for going after the Shadow Broker:
I think that we've said, sad as it might be to have to go Lucas and assign grades of canon, that this conversation has precedence over the comics, because original medium always triumphs. Having said that, she mentions 'for what he did to my friend' as well, though it's one of three things she says, and 'and whatever he's doing with the Collectors' has the most significance to me.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:42
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no I saw that just I think we are reading to much into things
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:45
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Time for a shameless plug.
Given the amount of frustration over Liara's lack of recruit-ability (which I understand) I thought you folks might appreciate a chance to make your voice heard.
On the subject of the Shadow Broker and Liara, one of the things that surprised me most in ME2 was the complete lack of gratitude from the SB in regards to Cerberus. I suppose I should have expected as much from a completely anonymous, totally amoral information broker, but I kind of expected a pay-off for the information I gave them in ME1. Who knows, it might still end up in ME3.
On that note, which do you think would be better: that the SB thread be resolved in an expansion or DLC pack, as many suspect, or that it be part of recruiting Liara in ME3 (assuming she is recruitable)? Before I heard about the DLC rumors, I was pretty firmly in favor of the latter, but given the indications that they might have already figured it out, I'm all for making it a part of a theoretical expansion. A DLC pack might be a bit too small, I think, given that the SB is supposed to be a power capable of going toe to toe with Cerberus.
Given the amount of frustration over Liara's lack of recruit-ability (which I understand) I thought you folks might appreciate a chance to make your voice heard.
On the subject of the Shadow Broker and Liara, one of the things that surprised me most in ME2 was the complete lack of gratitude from the SB in regards to Cerberus. I suppose I should have expected as much from a completely anonymous, totally amoral information broker, but I kind of expected a pay-off for the information I gave them in ME1. Who knows, it might still end up in ME3.
On that note, which do you think would be better: that the SB thread be resolved in an expansion or DLC pack, as many suspect, or that it be part of recruiting Liara in ME3 (assuming she is recruitable)? Before I heard about the DLC rumors, I was pretty firmly in favor of the latter, but given the indications that they might have already figured it out, I'm all for making it a part of a theoretical expansion. A DLC pack might be a bit too small, I think, given that the SB is supposed to be a power capable of going toe to toe with Cerberus.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 12:45
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and 'and whatever he's doing with the Collectors' has the most significance to me.
Very, very true, Jayla. Alot of people seem to miss or overlook this part, when I think it's very important, IMO. To me, it indicates that Liara is aware of a greater involvement with the Collectors and by proxy the Reapers on the Shadow Broker's part, and knows the full extent of just how he's aiding them, and that he's become a menace to galactic civilization and must be stopped.
Plus, we have this elusive data cache that Liara is in possession of. She's aware of something with the Shadow Broker. I hope it's explored or clarified in the Liara DLC or expansion.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 01:06
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Heh, you're missing the point I'm trying to make.
I'm saying that Liara would not want to disclose the full extent of the Shadow Broker's involvement with the Reapers, or allow Shepard to help her any further, because Liara is aware of just how risky and dangerous Shepard's current mission is. She doesn't want Shepard to be distracted at all by learning that the Reapers have another pawn that needs to be dealt with, and Liara doesn't want more things for Shepard to worry about, all of which could affect Shepard's performance and cost her her life.
That way, Liara withholds teling Shepard the full extent of her hunt for the Shadow Broker, or letting her help out, because she's protecting Shepard. She's making sure that she comes home alive by not distracting her.
I know where your coming from, but a lot of that is more on faith and hope with very little info. After all, she never says she's keeping things private to protect Shepard, or doesn't want his/her help because his/her mission is too important. That's speculation. She does says she doesn't want his/her help because "the galaxy doesn't work that way", and only asks you to do tasks here and there.
However, because I'm the theory guy, you could say she doesn't want you involved because it'll involve more killing. Something which she doesn't want you apart of. And because Illium is Illium, we don't know what kind of deals Liara has made in order to stay alive this long. This is the Shadow Broker she's trying to kill. And the less Shepard knows, the better. That's my 2 cents anyways.
Anyways, what I'm saying is, don't get too into trying to fill in the gaps for Bioware. After all, if Bioware screws up, then the answers, or lack of answers, will only hurt more. Not saying don't give up. I hope for the best. Just saying don't get too attached to speculation.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 02:17
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The way I see it Shep joining Cerberus, etc is something Liara would forgive and so there really isn't a good reason why she wouldn't join her (him) on the Normandy. So, the writers gave her a reason that fit the story instead of fitting the story around her character.
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Hi Sunnie! Looks like this thread was abandoned... NOT COOL!!!
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 02:45
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Good evening all!
Is this the Hi Good Evening, or the bye-Good evening?
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I'm guessing the bye-good evening.
