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Goodwood wrote...


Okay, I get what you're saying. I thought you'd meant that ME3 would be literally a "stand alone" title and not install itself onto ME2 as a continuation.


Well, yeah that is actually what I am kinda hoping for at this point.  As much of ME2 that can be disregarded the better.

Now, I would have prefered that they hadn't started that particular trend to being with, and that ME2 had built off of ME1 and then ME3 could have built off of ME2, but it is what it is.  I'm just hoping they do a better job this time around.

#21627
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Goodwood wrote...

I'm still not entirely certain what they mean by "stand alone".


Well just think of ME2.  You could go into the game with absolutely no knowledge of ME1 having ever even existed and missed, basically nothing. ;)

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

What's the harm in speculating about character intentions?


None I suppose, but I hate to see the folks in this thread get themselves all excited about an expansion we don't even know is being developed yet and even if it is I sincerely doubt will in any way shape or form live up to the expectations being set for it in this thread. 

Liara fans have been kicked around enough already, I'd hate to see another disappointment on the scale of ME2.  Given how I think the expansion, if there ever is one, is going to turn out, I'm just trying to help folks keep their expectations in perspective of what we've been given so far.


Nothing will ever compare to the disappointment of ME2.

At least ME3 has ZERO expectation on its side.  It might end up suprising me, however no matter how good it is nothing will ever wash away the horrible taste of what wasted potential ME2 was.

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Goodwood wrote...

I'm still not entirely certain what they mean by "stand alone".


I think it's as much as ME2 is a standalone.  The plot is self-contained and only references back to the original one occasionally... and one can debate whether or not it's even loosely tied into an overarching story ... well, it IS loosely tied into the Reaper threat, but too loosely in my opinion.

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Okay... :blush:

Now, for something completely different, please allow me to drop the following bombshell...
























































What if the bond between Liara and Shepard pre-Ilos resulted in Liara getting pregnant, with her not realizing it until after Shepard had died?

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Goodwood wrote...
What if the bond between Liara and Shepard pre-Ilos resulted in Liara getting pregnant, with her not realizing it until after Shepard had died?


Would be a little ackward for Ash/Kaidan romances wouldn't it? :lol:

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@Goodwood ... that IS a bomb ... I'm assuming this is going with the 'asari can accidentally get pregnant' paradigm, then?

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@Goodwood ... that IS a bomb ... I'm assuming this is going with the 'asari can accidentally get pregnant' paradigm, then?


Sure, why not? It could be an interesting handwave to explain why Liara really can't go with Shepard...alongside her own quest. I dunno about you, but I'd definitely be distracted by the idea of having become a father after spending two years dead, let alone being saddled with a mission that could mean the salvation of all life in the galaxy...

Thing of it is, using my own moral compass as a guide for my Shepards, working with Cerberus is the best option...for now. It's either that, or let the Collectors do what they've been doing, which is a decidedly Bad Thing. If that ends up rationalizing the weaknesses of the ME2 storyline, I've got no problem with that. I'd rather be able to wave things away and still be able to enjoy the experience then have to worry about every hole there is. Yes, the Liara thing hurts, but so does Real Life. Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.

Modifié par Goodwood, 27 avril 2010 - 04:48 .


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I think it was very stupid of BioWare to say they want to make it "stand-alone" when you know most people that buy ME2, either played or own ME1...just because the sales numbers from the launch of ME1 and the launch of ME2, might show ME2 to be the more popular game...there was a long time there for people to pickup the first game. I for one, came in late. The game had been out for sometime, before I got it. Same is true of alot of people.

We wanted to see the story advance, we wanted to spend more time with our friends we made, and our special someone we feel for. We wanted stuff to build. But that isn't what we got.

Now the people that like Tali and Garrus, got what they wanted. So they are happy. Even if the story didn't advance, atleast their favorite characters did. So they are happy, and then comes the outcry from them, how great a game it was...when we that got left out, hate the game, and tell BioWare as such.

They get a mixed message, and it seems the outcry from the happy people, might be louder then from us, the unhappy people. Thus we can't expect things to be fixed in ME3.

ME2 will never go down as a great shooter game...why did they even try to market it like one. Pointless...sure the combat is better then the first game, but that's not why I play the game. The combat could of got worse, and if the story was great, I wouldn't care.

BioWare made a huge mistake, in that any shooter types they pulled into the game...would be unhappy with the gameplay, and whine about too much story. While the RPG fans, might like the new feel to the gameplay...they hate the story failure. So by trying to branch out and please everyone, they in fact mostly failed both parties.

Now, I'm generalizing and stereotyping, so make what you will out of my statements.

Modifié par scmadsen, 27 avril 2010 - 04:50 .


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Hey, I feel for you scmadsen, and understand/sympathize with your points to a certain degree. Aside from the Liara shafting (and we should remember that the Ash/Kaiden folks got equal treatment), ME2 for me was a really awesome game.

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Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


Crazy AWESOME!!! ... wait, does that even fit?

#21639
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Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o


You so crazy!

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Why do I trust them? It beats the alternative.

Modifié par Goodwood, 27 avril 2010 - 04:58 .


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Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o


Just to clarify, and note that I don't put any stock in anything CH says, but he said they will be beack in ME3 to conclude their stories.  He never said anything about bigger roles.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o


Just to clarify, and note that I don't put any stock in anything CH says, but he said they will be beack in ME3 to conclude their stories.  He never said anything about bigger roles.


Well then, I'll be in the corner, cutting myself... :P:P:P

#21643
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Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o


Just to clarify, and note that I don't put any stock in anything CH says, but he said they will be beack in ME3 to conclude their stories.  He never said anything about bigger roles.


Well then, I'll be in the corner, cutting myself... :P:P:P


Wrong crazy! :blink:

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JaylaClark wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Call me crazy, but I trust the devs when they say that Liara/Ashley/Kaiden will be back with bigger roles in ME3.


Definitely crazy.


:wizard::wizard::wizard::wub::o:devil::innocent::police::ph34r::o


Just to clarify, and note that I don't put any stock in anything CH says, but he said they will be beack in ME3 to conclude their stories.  He never said anything about bigger roles.


Well then, I'll be in the corner, cutting myself... :P:P:P


Wrong crazy! :blink:


I'm just kidding, Jayla. I'm too cowardly for self-inflicted pain... :whistle:

#21645
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Goodwood wrote...
I'm just kidding, Jayla. I'm too cowardly for self-inflicted pain... :whistle:


Yea, we let BioWare do the pain inflicting, right?

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Goodwood wrote...

I'm still not entirely certain what they mean by "stand alone".

Their definition of "stand alone" means that new players won't need to know anything about the previous 2 games. Because of this we will get a crappy intor/reset of everything again, and have to start all over, like we did in 2. I don't expect much more to be honest, not so naive anymore about where ME is going.

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scmadsen wrote...

Goodwood wrote...
I'm just kidding, Jayla. I'm too cowardly for self-inflicted pain... :whistle:


Yea, we let BioWare do the pain inflicting, right?


Maybe some of us do... ;)

I'm generally an optimist by nature. ME2 swept me up in its presentation that I didn't have time to think about plot holes and blown opportunities. Any game that can do that on the first playthrough and entice me enough to have another go is generally to be regarded as "good" in my data cache. If a game is good enough, then I'm less inclined to pick it apart. Hell, most of what I now recognize as flaws or faults were pointed out by other folks first.

#21648
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scmadsen wrote...

Goodwood wrote...
I'm just kidding, Jayla. I'm too cowardly for self-inflicted pain... :whistle:


Yea, we let BioWare do the pain inflicting, right?


Right!  ... wow, this is why I like DA:O so much, I think.  *Shudders at the thought of the Anvil boss fight*  I SO wanted to Push them into the lava.  I need to do some hardcore hacking... maybe hack Liara's face onto ... um, Zevran?  (Leli's too obvious, and she's too cute :wub:.)

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Goodwood wrote...

Okay... :blush:

Now, for something completely different, please allow me to drop the following bombshell...

What if the bond between Liara and Shepard pre-Ilos resulted in Liara getting pregnant, with her not realizing it until after Shepard had died?

That would make me very happy, and really mad again at the same time since the writer would have left that little tid bit out focusing on bs excuses why she had to sift through 10 years worth of data (yes, I am exagerating, oh stop).

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Sunnie22 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Okay... :blush:

Now, for something completely different, please allow me to drop the following bombshell...

What if the bond between Liara and Shepard pre-Ilos resulted in Liara getting pregnant, with her not realizing it until after Shepard had died?

That would make me very happy, and really mad again at the same time since the writer would have left that little tid bit out focusing on bs excuses why she had to sift through 10 years worth of data (yes, I am exagerating, oh stop).


It's allright Sunnie, I feel your pain...

C'mere and give me a big hug! ^_^