There hasn't been a decent game in the history of any series that wasn't "stand alone." All it means is that people who walk into the story won't be totally lost thanks to introductions and exposition.
"What are you doing here, LIARA T'SONI?!"
"Oh I was just finishing up with THE SHADOW BROKER and now I can help you out with THE REAPERS."
And then they go do that thing.
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#21652
Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:15
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I want there to be a daughter out there. I've always said that. If Asari can control it...I think Liara would of wanted one with Shepard, and my Shepard wants one with Liara. Liara would be hiding her, and thus can't tell Shepard about her yet. Does it suck, yea...but Shepard would want to see her...that would be another big distraction. And in a way, unfair for Liara to say anything, but also unfair for her not to.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:15
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Ray Joel Oh wrote...
There hasn't been a decent game in the history of any series that wasn't "stand alone." All it means is that people who walk into the story won't be totally lost thanks to introductions and exposition.
"What are you doing here, LIARA T'SONI?!"
"Oh I was just finishing up with THE SHADOW BROKER and now I can help you out with THE REAPERS."
And then they go do that thing.
Thanks for the reassurance, RJO...
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:21
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Well ya know, speculation. I'm just seeing it as more of a Harry Potter type thing, if I may employ such a highfalutin reference. Each book or movie is stand-alone, but it's all got the same bad guy they eventually work towards killing, there are the same recurring characters, and the b-plots spread out over more than one installment. I know somebody compared it to Indiana Jones at one point for some reason, but even in just two games it's already established more continuity than that.
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#21655
Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:26
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Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Well ya know, speculation. I'm just seeing it as more of a Harry Potter type thing, if I may use such a highfalutin reference. Each book or movie is stand-alone, but it's all got the same bad guy they eventually work towards killing, there are the same recurring characters, and the b-plots spread out over more than one installment. I know somebody compared it to Indiana Jones at one point for some reason, but even in just two games it's already established more continuity than that.
Since you put it that way, yeah I completely understand what you're getting at (big Harry Potter fan here). Yeah the reiterating of who/what Harry was at the beginning of each succeeding book was slightly annoying, but they got less and less, and in the last couple of books they weren't even there. ME2 did have similar exposition at the beginning, during the trips between Cerberus facilities, and there were more connections than most of us consciously realize. Heck, there were even a couple of shout-outs to the two novels.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:29
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I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't create any continuity, there clearly is. But what they did story wise in 2 was pretty weak and left more holes and questions than it should have. If they would have did a bit better with the story there wouldn't be hundreds of completely different speculations about the same thing.Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Well ya know, speculation. I'm just seeing it as more of a Harry Potter type thing, if I may employ such a highfalutin reference. Each book or movie is stand-alone, but it's all got the same bad guy they eventually work towards killing, there are the same recurring characters, and the b-plots spread out over more than one installment. I know somebody compared it to Indiana Jones at one point for some reason, but even in just two games it's already established more continuity than that.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:32
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Sunnie22 wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't create any continuity, there clearly is. But what they did story wise in 2 was pretty weak and left more holes and questions than it should have. If they would have did a bit better with the story there wouldn't be hundreds of completely different speculations about the same thing.Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Well ya know, speculation. I'm just seeing it as more of a Harry Potter type thing, if I may employ such a highfalutin reference. Each book or movie is stand-alone, but it's all got the same bad guy they eventually work towards killing, there are the same recurring characters, and the b-plots spread out over more than one installment. I know somebody compared it to Indiana Jones at one point for some reason, but even in just two games it's already established more continuity than that.
Well, there were many, many many speculations about the plots and continuity of the Harry Potter series from book to book, and no one I know has ever called Jo Rowling a bad writer. There were even some minor "holes" that she filled in later.
But yeah, in the end, it'll take a hell of a lot of effort on BW's part to plug up the hull and make it seaworthy again.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:37
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Sunnie22 wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't create any continuity, there clearly is. But what they did story wise in 2 was pretty weak and left more holes and questions than it should have. If they would have did a bit better with the story there wouldn't be hundreds of completely different speculations about the same thing.
I'm betting they'll have definitely learned a lesson from people's reaction to the way they dealt with Ashley/Kaiden and Liara and do a better job of dealing with LIs introduced in the first act of their three act game series the next time they consider embarking on such an undertaking. One or two scenes just isn't satisfying, especially when they leave your relationship status so nebulous. Still, I think they'll at least try to make it up to people in the next game.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:42
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Well, I would assume that they would see that they made a lot of mistakes in 2, and ultimately make 3 the best of both 1 and 2, but I am not going to hold my breath. I am certain they will try to do something, but I have doubts about how far they will go to "make it up" to us.Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Sunnie22 wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't create any continuity, there clearly is. But what they did story wise in 2 was pretty weak and left more holes and questions than it should have. If they would have did a bit better with the story there wouldn't be hundreds of completely different speculations about the same thing.
I'm betting they'll have definitely learned a lesson from people's reaction to the way they dealt with Ashley/Kaiden and Liara and do a better job of dealing with LIs introduced in the first act of their three act game series the next time they consider embarking on such an undertaking. One or two scenes just isn't satisfying, especially when they leave your relationship status so nebulous. Still, I think they'll at least try to make it up to people in the next game.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:49
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Well folks, I'm calling it a night (two in the morning here in Detroit). Here's to dreaming about blue women and the wonderful things they can do...
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 05:49
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Sunnie22 wrote...
Well, I would assume that they would see that they made a lot of mistakes in 2, and ultimately make 3 the best of both 1 and 2, but I am not going to hold my breath. I am certain they will try to do something, but I have doubts about how far they will go to "make it up" to us.Ray Joel Oh wrote...
Sunnie22 wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that it didn't create any continuity, there clearly is. But what they did story wise in 2 was pretty weak and left more holes and questions than it should have. If they would have did a bit better with the story there wouldn't be hundreds of completely different speculations about the same thing.
I'm betting they'll have definitely learned a lesson from people's reaction to the way they dealt with Ashley/Kaiden and Liara and do a better job of dealing with LIs introduced in the first act of their three act game series the next time they consider embarking on such an undertaking. One or two scenes just isn't satisfying, especially when they leave your relationship status so nebulous. Still, I think they'll at least try to make it up to people in the next game.
Agreed on that Sunnie!
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 06:09
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You never know, if Patrick Weekes is writing Liara for her DLC as we speculate, and the emotional comforting scene between Shepard and a female character he described is about Liara, then alot of our anguish regarding the handling of Liara and her romance in ME2 could be rectified and corrected in Liara's DLC. Like I said before, I think there's a reason why romance content with Liara is virtually absent in ME2 and that we can't comfort her. I think they're trying to maintain the status quo, and that alot of Liara's pain, suffering, guilt, torment and the romance with Shepard will be tackled in her DLC, when we get Liara's true ME2 role.
I know it may seem naive to hope that the Liara DLC is going to come along and magically fix everything, but that is what I truly believe will happen.
I know it may seem naive to hope that the Liara DLC is going to come along and magically fix everything, but that is what I truly believe will happen.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 06:24
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Ohh... if Patrick Weekes would write the Liara DLC I would be ecstatic, he actually knows what he is doing compared to some other ME writers.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 06:32
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Yep. The scene that we're hoping for in which Liara finally breaks down and opens her heart to Shepard, we can comfort her and the romance can be reaffirmed and rekindled would be absolutely beautiful and very touching if PW is writing it. I hope it turns out to be the case, because then alot of my hopes and expectations regarding the Liara DLC could turn out exactly as I want, and we will get something deep, intimate and substantial with Liara in her DLC.
I still maintain though that as good as PW is, and I think he'd do a fantastic job with Liara, ultimately the best person to write Liara is still Drew. She's his character, DK created her, and she's his baby. Only DK knows how Liara would react to certain situations, how she would develop, because he was the one who created her in the first place.
I still maintain though that as good as PW is, and I think he'd do a fantastic job with Liara, ultimately the best person to write Liara is still Drew. She's his character, DK created her, and she's his baby. Only DK knows how Liara would react to certain situations, how she would develop, because he was the one who created her in the first place.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 06:39
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Well the likelihood that Drew would com back and write Liara pretty slim with TOR on the horizon so we have to hope for the second best I think :-)
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 07:04
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Yeah, it's a shame that he's not writing material for ME as much as he was before, and therefore isn't likely that he's going to be writing Liara. PW is a very good bet to write her though, and I'm sure he'd do a fantastic job with her.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 07:06
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Also, to bring some happiness to this page. Beautiful Liara motivational poster!
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 08:34
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Yeah, it's a shame that he's not writing material for ME as much as he was before, and therefore isn't likely that he's going to be writing Liara. PW is a very good bet to write her though, and I'm sure he'd do a fantastic job with her.
I think so too. I have "medium", if not high hopes for whatever lies ahead.
Its 1:30 AM in Los Angeles and I am still up, which is foolish. I am typing away, for my own benefit perhaps, at my next chapter of my story. Like exercise for the body, the mind needs its limits pressed.
Goodnight everyone.
#21672
Posté 27 avril 2010 - 08:45
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Hmmm....
I think by "accident" Bioware created rather interesting start up position for ME 3.
Because ME2 cooled down any hype expectations there will be bigger chance for some positive surprises...
And about Lia/Shep daughter... i think there could be something in that matter...
Let's not forget that Lia spends most of her life before Therum traveling from place to place practicly alone so i doubt she recive any teachings how to limited bond to prevent engaging actual "gene transfer" so to speak and initiate her pregnacy.
I could say that this could be compared to two inexperienced teenagers who do thier first time without any safe precautions and in result girl end pregnat.
SPECULATIONS: Assuming that there is so called "child factor" in the table then Lia's behavior is more than logic because she known that until Shepard don't resolve Collector case and somehow break any contacts whit TiM and she don't remove any potential threats from side of SB she cannot reveal thier daughter egsistence to Shepard no matter what because that child could become very likely target for both TiM and SB to subdue Shep to thier will.
WILD SPECULATIONS: Now there is tricky part... what if Anderson and Ash (in my case) do protect that child?
That's why Ash refuses to join Shep on Horizon because now when she known that Shepard is alive her mission as "bodyguard" become more important than ever.
I think her entire assigment on Horizon did have only one general purpose... confirm fact that Shepard did comeback to life.
*scratches head*... Of course this could be only possible scenario when Lia is Shep's bondmate... but IF Bioware would put such "Kinder Surprise" stunt to action... i would be veeery surprised.
I think by "accident" Bioware created rather interesting start up position for ME 3.
Because ME2 cooled down any hype expectations there will be bigger chance for some positive surprises...
And about Lia/Shep daughter... i think there could be something in that matter...
Let's not forget that Lia spends most of her life before Therum traveling from place to place practicly alone so i doubt she recive any teachings how to limited bond to prevent engaging actual "gene transfer" so to speak and initiate her pregnacy.
I could say that this could be compared to two inexperienced teenagers who do thier first time without any safe precautions and in result girl end pregnat.
SPECULATIONS: Assuming that there is so called "child factor" in the table then Lia's behavior is more than logic because she known that until Shepard don't resolve Collector case and somehow break any contacts whit TiM and she don't remove any potential threats from side of SB she cannot reveal thier daughter egsistence to Shepard no matter what because that child could become very likely target for both TiM and SB to subdue Shep to thier will.
WILD SPECULATIONS: Now there is tricky part... what if Anderson and Ash (in my case) do protect that child?
That's why Ash refuses to join Shep on Horizon because now when she known that Shepard is alive her mission as "bodyguard" become more important than ever.
I think her entire assigment on Horizon did have only one general purpose... confirm fact that Shepard did comeback to life.
*scratches head*... Of course this could be only possible scenario when Lia is Shep's bondmate... but IF Bioware would put such "Kinder Surprise" stunt to action... i would be veeery surprised.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 09:16
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Asheer, I really don't think there is a child of Liara and Shepard out there somewhere. From what we can gather, the asari only conceive a child when they consciously allow it to happen, and when the genetic information taken from her partner during the meld will be used for the purposes of reproduction, rather that simply allowing the two lovers to share their individual and racial indentities. If the asari only do become pregnant when they consciously allow it to happen, then logic dictates that during their sexual development and maturation they learn through their own idiciual physiologies how to conduct each individual meld, and how to avoid impregnation whenever possible. If the asari have to "learn" how to not conceive a child whenever they meld, then there would be alot of unplanned asari pregnancies, and Sha'ira's job would be incredibly hard, with her giving birth to many asari daughters. So yeah, I don't think there's a chance Liara "accidentally" conceived Shepard's child during a meld.
As for Liara consciously and knowingly conceiving Shepard's child, we've been over why that would never be the case. Liara is not as dishonest, irresponsible, stupid and reckless as that. It would be completely out of character for her, and would show exploitation of Shepard that simply isn't the case.
I'd like Shepard and Liara to have children together, ideally during the epilogue of ME3, but I don't think it's happened yet.
As for Liara consciously and knowingly conceiving Shepard's child, we've been over why that would never be the case. Liara is not as dishonest, irresponsible, stupid and reckless as that. It would be completely out of character for her, and would show exploitation of Shepard that simply isn't the case.
I'd like Shepard and Liara to have children together, ideally during the epilogue of ME3, but I don't think it's happened yet.
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 09:54
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hi allLesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Also, to bring some happiness to this page. Beautiful Liara motivational poster!
it's nice so to see such pics upon logon, someone just made my day i think:)
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Posté 27 avril 2010 - 10:05
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Hmmm...the idea of Liara secretly having Shepard's daughter between ME1 & ME2 is growing on me...
Oh, and you guys get Liara's legs this morning...
Oh, and you guys get Liara's legs this morning...
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