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I like Liara. She just didn't appeal to me romantically, if you know what I mean. Anyway, I like her bettter than most ME2 characters.

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jlb524 wrote...

I always thought of Liara as a biotics prodigy, due probably to both genetics and upbringing/training. I would guess she's the most powerful asari of her age. She's, of course, not as powerful as some older asari like Samara or some of the matriarchs.

I'd still rank Liara above any human biotic, including Jack. Jack is probably more powerful than most asari Liara's age though.


I also think that Liara's biotics are as strong as an asari can be with them being a freak of nature (Morinth).

Damn how many times have i said this now? I'll i stop now! I promise! :lol:

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Yeah, I would definitely rate Samara as more powerful than Liara given that shes had almost an entire asari lifetime to hone them (Morinth too, but by much less than Samara, since unless you betray Samara, Morinth is clearly inferior to her mother, having been running from her for about four centuries). Its obvious Liara is extremely powerful for her age though. Possibly like her archaeological expertise, its overlooked because older, more arrogant asari refuse to believe the experience theyve taken centuries to gain has been surpassed in a fraction of the time.



I could easily see Liara being more powerful than Samara within a few centuries if she continued to use them as frequently as she had to.

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

I like Liara. She just didn't appeal to me romantically, if you know what I mean. Anyway, I like her bettter than most ME2 characters.


Im the same with Ash. Her down to earth character didnt entice me as a romance prospect, but Ill be damned if I dont prefer it to the characters we were lumbered with in ME2.

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Here's an interesting subject for debate, then. Who would have won in a battle between Liara as she is now, and Samara when she was a young maiden and the same age as Liara? My money is on Liara, due to as we've said that she's incredibly powerful for an asari her age.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Here's an interesting subject for debate, then. Who would have won in a battle between Liara as she is now, and Samara when she was a young maiden and the same age as Liara? My money is on Liara, due to as we've said that she's incredibly powerful for an asari her age.


Yeah, Im sure Samara was talented, but it sounds like she merely got embroiled in the typical things that young asari maidens do. Hedonistic lifestyles supported by mercenary work and whatnot.

Liara is unique, and young. Samara didnt become unique until her life as a justicar began.

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


Yeah, Im sure Samara was talented, but it sounds like she merely got embroiled in the typical things that young asari maidens do. Hedonistic lifestyles supported by mercenary work and whatnot.

Liara is unique, and young. Samara didnt become unique until her life as a justicar began.


Yep. Liara has spent the majority of her life so far isloated and alone on remote dig sites, honing her biotics as a means of self protection. That's very atypical of other asari, and considering how powerful Benezia was, logic dictates that Liara is extremely precociously powerful for her age.

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Liara definitely messed Nyxeris up, and I would guess Nyxeris was a matron of decent power. She probably couldn't have gotten as far as a SB agent by being weak.



If the comic book is any indication, Liara could mess up anyone. I take that with a grain of salt, though, just like the cut-scenes.

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I want Samara to teach Liara how to "fly". And then Liara teaches Biotic FemShep how to "fly" as well...

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Liara did say that Nyxeris was very talented, too. Like others have said, you don't become a senior agent of the Shadow Broker by being weak, so Nyxeris must have been somewhat powerful. Liara was able to deal with her pretty quickly, though, and seemingly with a minimum of fuss.



I wouldn't put my stock into what's displayed in Redemption though. Alot of Liara's biotic badassery in that wasjust for presentation purposes, and to provide lots of cool action scenes.

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With the way interrupts work now, you wouldnt think it would be that much trouble to alter a handful of actiony cutscenes based on class, adding tech/biotic spins to a few instances, would you?



Regardless, Im expecting to see Shepard sticking to basic gun and omni-tool use during cutscenes for the rest of this series.



Shame really, as I never though seeing Shepard unleashing a bit of tech/biotic skill during a chase or fight cutscene would have been that much bother. Might have even been a bonus with how stupid some of the cutscenes in ME2 look. Killing the krogan after patriarch is an example. Shepard looked like a complete ******.



Kicking that Varren was pathetic as well....

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One thing I've noticed though, what Liara says about the events of Redemption in ME2 is pretty inconsistent with what's actually displayed in the comic. In what way did Liara "screw it up" and "barely escape with her own life"? As far as I can see, Liara actually did very little wrong, and seemed extremely capable and competant throughout the four issue run.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara did say that Nyxeris was very talented, too. Like others have said, you don't become a senior agent of the Shadow Broker by being weak, so Nyxeris must have been somewhat powerful. Liara was able to deal with her pretty quickly, though, and seemingly with a minimum of fuss.

I wouldn't put my stock into what's displayed in Redemption though. Alot of Liara's biotic badassery in that wasjust for presentation purposes, and to provide lots of cool action scenes.



This goes to show that Liara can fight & defend herself  on most level's which makes me think she will prove to be a powerful squad mate in me3 Image IPB

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Killing the krogan after patriarch is an example. Shepard looked like a complete ******.

Kicking that Varren was pathetic as well....


Those were definitely cringe worthy moments, and any time Male Shep tried to smile.  Talk about creepy....

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If anyone kept screwing up the mission, it was Feron. But I guess he was doing it intentionally, since he needed to get the SB data for Cerberus.



Liara did nothing wrong during the final 'fight scene'. As I recall, she took out some merchs, fought with a Collector, and then fled the scene with Shep's body. Feron was caught up with that Salarian dude wazhizname but he told Liara to leave with the body and the data, heroically sacrificing himself. No fault of Liara's.

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She might still blame herself for leaving Feron behind, though. I'm not sure that equals total screw up, but she could see things that way.



Of course that doesn't make it any less lame!

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Finished up the third chapter of the saga of the now distanced Sheena Shepard and Liara T'Soni. The first meeting on Illium has come and gone and now the effects on Shepard are becoming clearer.



The title is Broken Bonds and Shattered Dreams. It is three chapters now.



http://www.fanfictio...hattered_Dreams



http://kanelam.deviantart.com/



As always, enjoy.


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She had little other choice, though. The Collector was still alive, as was climbing onto the ship and was about to prevent any chance of escape. Liara had to leave then, otherwise the Collector would have taken Shepard's body back.



No fault of Liara's.

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screwoffreg wrote...

Finished up the third chapter of the saga of the now distanced Sheena Shepard and Liara T'Soni. The first meeting on Illium has come and gone and now the effects on Shepard are becoming clearer.

The title is Broken Bonds and Shattered Dreams. It is three chapters now.

http://www.fanfictio...hattered_Dreams

http://kanelam.deviantart.com/

As always, enjoy.


Oooh, thanks screw! Will give it a read a little later on!

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I think Liara has the potential to be a powerful biotics user. Up until recently though, I got the impression that outside of a few skimershes with pirates, she never had much of a chance to hone them proper. Of course, there is the comics and stuff now too.



But the question for me is... how much is too much when it comes to biotics? I'm writing a fan fic where there's some pretty potent asari commandos (more like terrorists, really) and it's hard trying to decide how powerful they should be, since there's no clear "benchmark" for such things. You've got Liara in the comics (which as mentioned above, could be just for exaggerated comic*emphasis, like all superpowers tend to be), Jack and then Samara. But that's about it.



But I digress.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

She had little other choice, though. The Collector was still alive, as was climbing onto the ship and was about to prevent any chance of escape. Liara had to leave then, otherwise the Collector would have taken Shepard's body back.


Since I haven't read the thing - what kind of collector was that, and why didn't she just eliminate it?

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Since I haven't read the thing - what kind of collector was that, and why didn't she just eliminate it?


A Harbinger possessed Collector, like you encounter in-game. Although the catchphrase is never stated, Harbinger does ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of it.

It was therefore pretty powerful, but Liara absolutely battered it with her biotics before she ran off to the ship.

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Do they show Shep's body, or is it in a box of some kind? Its supposed to be pretty messed up, right?

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Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Here's an interesting subject for debate, then. Who would have won in a battle between Liara as she is now, and Samara when she was a young maiden and the same age as Liara? My money is on Liara, due to as we've said that she's incredibly powerful for an asari her age.


Yeah, Im sure Samara was talented, but it sounds like she merely got embroiled in the typical things that young asari maidens do. Hedonistic lifestyles supported by mercenary work and whatnot.

Liara is unique, and young. Samara didnt become unique until her life as a justicar began.


I'dsay Liara as well You can tell her Biotics have improved but as for Samara i don't think she'd have much of a chance as a maiden .Liara is very intelligent for her age and it will show in her Biotic strength.

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I think Liara has the potential to be a powerful biotics user. Up until recently though, I got the impression that outside of a few skimershes with pirates, she never had much of a chance to hone them proper. Of course, there is the comics and stuff now too.


I dont think you have to hone biotics just by killing people. You can condition and strengthen your biotics alone most likely.

Liara says Nyxeris barriers "needed practice", which to me implies biotics become better with practice. I can imagine Liara did lots of practice as a youth before starting her journies studying the protheans.

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