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[Yeled]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Do they show Shep's body, or is it in a box of some kind? Its supposed to be pretty messed up, right?

They show it from a distance in one frame, as the Cerberus scientists begin working on it, but it's completely featureless. Gender neutral, no discernable race. It just looks like meat and muscle tissue. What's worse is Liara is with Miranda, watching this happen. To think, that's Liara's lover there, and she's forced to see Shepard as nothing more than a carcass. How must that have affected her?

Does she look sad?

[Sunnie]

No pics = no good!



Back to good!

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Yeled wrote...

Does she look sad?

No, not really. She doesnt look comfortable watching, but more resolute and determined, because what follows is the start of her campaign against the shadow broker and trying to save Feron.

[Unit-Alpha]

Meta Ray Mek wrote...

I think Liara has the potential to be a powerful biotics user. Up until recently though, I got the impression that outside of a few skimershes with pirates, she never had much of a chance to hone them proper. Of course, there is the comics and stuff now too.

But the question for me is... how much is too much when it comes to biotics? I'm writing a fan fic where there's some pretty potent asari commandos (more like terrorists, really) and it's hard trying to decide how powerful they should be, since there's no clear "benchmark" for such things. You've got Liara in the comics (which as mentioned above, could be just for exaggerated comic*emphasis, like all superpowers tend to be), Jack and then Samara. But that's about it.

But I digress.

Well, I'd say that as an Asari, Liara should be more powerful than any human biotic (read: Jack) for obvious reasons. Samara can't be too powerful as she barely escaped her encounter with her 200 year old (?; maybe 400; I can't remember) daughter so that she needs Shepard to save her. If that's any indication, I wouldn't say she's that powerful.

[Erinlana]

Does anyone have a good image of femshep kissing Liara , i am doing some fan art at the momment thankies !

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Liara looks far more sad when holding the data Feron gave her, saying "We did it..... you did it".



She also looks positively mortified as Feron calls for her to leave with Shepard and she screams out his name.



This is why folks were so pissed when issue 4 was released.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

It was therefore pretty powerful, but Liara absolutely battered it with her biotics before she ran off to the ship.

Shepard would've killed the thing within seconds. I still don't see why Liara couldn't too. Wait, I see - the plot demanded it. <_< Kind of the reversed Jack situation, who was able to destroy three heavy mechs once, but doesn't stand a chance against a single one later.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 27 avril 2010 - 09:45 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I wouldn't say so, Dink. Liara looks absolutely crushed when Miranda tells her Cerberus could flub up the Lazarus Project. She looks extremely troubled and uncomfrtable prior to that when she's forced to watch the Cerberus scientists start working on Shepard.

She doesnt. Im staring at it right now, and she looks a bit sad, but not "crushed".

Her entire expression can be summed up as "uncomfortable". The way shes holding herself shows shes not necessarily in agreement with whats going on. Then it quickly shifts to "resolute and determined" as she outlines how she must save Feron and have an excuse ready to be absent from ME2, which Miranda also nails home with a monumental lack of subtlety (great job guys, great job. You must have known what a pathetic job you did in the actual game when you have to write a comic to issue supporting comments).

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Actually, before we get going again, this really isn't worth it. And I mean it this time. There is absolutely no point in debating over a comic with as bad presentation and scripting as Redemption has. It's fruitless.

I mean, the Shadow Broker refers to Liara as "that Alliance woman" for pete's sake. That te;;s you everything.

Just like the cameo LET, bad writing or no, its part of Liaras character arc now. Id rather talk about how **** it is, than try my best to forget it ever happened.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Liaras motives mentioned in the game and the ones in the comic book match up. I know she tells Shepard shes doing it for him, but she also tells Shepard her "sources" reported he was alive, but she "never believed". Shes slightly decieved Shepard once already, even if it was out of a (slightly insulting if you romanced her) fear of Shepards reaction.

[screwoffreg]

They wrote her with her priorities screwed up thats for sure.



I hope people still are not paranoid about Feron. The guy is a real loser and screws up so many times, intentional or not. If they wrote that Liara had some sort of deep abiding affection for him (which would not make sense), I would feel less betrayed and more disappointed...



Liara, you are really DOWNGRADING to Feron from the savior of the Galaxy? I would have preferred Blasto the Hanar SPECTRE.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

That supposed deception though was for a very good reason, the fear that Shepard will hate her. Why's that? Because of her love, and because she cares what Shepard thinks about her. That's why.

Plus, you only have to look at the emotions Liara displays when she opens up, and the fact that it;s the first time in the entire reunion that she actually acts like herself, and shows genuine emotion. She's being sincere.

Thats debateable. Ive already said this, but I think Liara is basically admitting to not being able to trust him after she basically saved his life, with the only other option being staying dead and in the collectors hands no less.

If you do show resentment, Liara retorts with the perfectly logical response that it was the only choice she could make. I dont see why, if shes so ready to point out such an obvious fact, she on the flip side should forget it so easily with "OMG, Shepard might hate me".

I understand the point you made earlier - her ME2 role is an excuse to keep her out of the game, nothing more. The comic is also a pathetic attempt to justify that excuse.

Like I have said though, moving on like nothing is wrong isnt what I want to see.

I need a better explanation than the one I got in ME2, because "Ill let you go off on your suicide mission while I continue a vendetta for what the shadow broker did to you" (which will be meaningless if Shepard gets killed again) isnt enough for me.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 27 avril 2010 - 10:11 .

[screwoffreg]

Yeah, like someone said though her whole "I have to repay the SB" is really lame if Shepard dies again. She really lets him/her go to death without even a proper goodbye?

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, that's exactly what pisses me off about the comic, and makes me hate them with a burning passion. We're being forced into a position now of choosing as to whether you accept what's displayed in the comic as gospel, and what she says two years ago is correct and she's being insincere when she opens up to Shepard, or whether what is shown in ME2 is correct when Liara drops her facade for the first time, shows genuine emotion at last, and puts her heart on the line in telling Shepard what has happened, why she's doing what she's doing and such.

It's awful, why is it so inconsistent and so cryptic?

It also doesnt matter which option you choose, neither one negates the fact that, like screw just pointed out, Bioware wrote the frakking cameo letting Shepards last words be "Ill talk to you later Liara..." and Liara and Shepard being content to let it be left at that. Ridicuoulsly galling if you romanced her... I thought to myself:

NO YOU FRIGGING WONT! NOT IF YOU DIE!

Which were they not taking seriously at this point? The (ridiculously weak) main plot of the game, or Liaras cameo and position as a character thats potentially extremely important to Shepard?

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 27 avril 2010 - 10:23 .

[bjdbwea]

I wouldn't predict anything at the moment. Somehow I can't help but get that suspicion that BioWare/EA have some kind of problem with especially the Liara romance now. What better way to get rid of it than pulling a new lover out of their hats. Of course I don't see that in her character, but why should that suddenly matter. I wouldn't say it's likely, just that nothing they do could surprise me anymore.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 27 avril 2010 - 10:24 .