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[Goodwood]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I love that letter you've written, Goodwood. I wish BW would have included something like that from Liara. Really, is it that hard?

Anyway, I hate seeing us Liara fans so down in the dumps too. So here's a kitten eyes Liara pic!



:wub:

Thanks for the compliment, Les. That's a lovely picture, too... :wub:

Anyone wants more letters, all you have to do is ask...

Modifié par Goodwood, 28 avril 2010 - 06:04 .

[morrie23]

Beautiful picture Les!



The letter mentioned in the PS of the one you just posted would be an interesting read Goodwood.

[Goodwood]

morrie23 wrote...
The letter mentioned in the PS of the one you just posted would be an interesting read Goodwood.

Yeah, I should have included that in with that new letter. Lemme try and find it.

[AZ RUSH]

After messing around with GIMP for about an hour I made my first photo shopped picture:
file:///C:/Users/james/Pictures/liara2.jpg
I know it's pretty bad, but it's my first attempt at using a photoshop program.

[morrie23]

Anything with Liara in it is usually good imo, AZ RUSH!

[AZ RUSH]

Thanks, gotta keep practicing so that I can eventually make sigs...

[Goodwood]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Thanks for the compliment, Les. That's a lovely picture, too... :wub:

Anyone wants more letters, all you have to do is ask...

No problem, GW. It's a great piece of writing, and totally believable coming from Liara. I really could see her saying something like that.

I do have a request for another letter for you to write that's from Liara to Shepard. Do you remember the link I gave you of Mary's Letter from Silent Hill 2? Well, if possible, could you write a letter from Liara to Shepard in a similar style to Mary's Letter, that features Liara confessing her guilt for handing over the corpse to Cerberus, her worry that Shepard will hate her, telling Shepard just how much he/she means to her, telling Shepard why she did what she did in hunting down the corpse, and handing it over to Cerberus to be revived. Really explore Liara's emotions, and try to pull at the reader's heartstrings.

Here, a link that contains a full transcript of Mary's Letter from Silent Hill 2:

http://silenthill.wi...i/Mary's_Letter

Thanks in advance, GW!

curses the inability to search the forums for individual posts...

Les,

About that letter, I have a couple of qualms. First, I personally have a slight hitch about taking another's work and repurposing it unless asked to by the author, and even then it's not really something I'm comfortable doing. Second, that letter itself is from a different genre and setting, and carries a whole different meaning and purpose, not to mention the differences in style between the original and something Liara would write (IMO, of course). Because of those two factors, adopting it to your request would be very difficult; if anything, this is something more suited to a script of dialogue. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but honesty is the best policy after all.

I suppose it's every fanfiction writer's dream to be invited to write for the universe that they so admire...

[Goodwood]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Ah, right, gotcha.

Perhaps I should have phrased it better. I didn't mean taking the letter and altering a few words to make it so that it's from Liara to Shepard, just that Liara's letter would be similar in terms of tone. Really, the only thing that can be the same about it would be Liara confessing her guilt, worrying that Shepard would hate her, and elaborating on and confirming her true feelings for Shepard. Sentence structure, the wording and everything else need not be similar as that's not what Liara would write. I'd just want a letter from Liara to Shepard that serves the same purpose as what Mary's does.

Is that a bit better?

That is a better explanation, yes.

Gimme a few days to sit on it, okay? I had thought that my first letter had been along similar lines, but then it was kind of written "spur of the moment" like the one on the previous page (hell, that's pretty much most of my fanfic, right there).

[Sakhalin]

AZ RUSH wrote...

After messing around with GIMP for about an hour I made my first photo shopped picture:
file:///C:/Users/james/Pictures/liara2.jpg
I know it's pretty bad, but it's my first attempt at using a photoshop program.

That's great!  I love this picture.  I can stare at it forever.:wub:

[AZ RUSH]

@Sakhalin: It stares back...lol



Thanks, I'll try making some more, then sigs, then maybe even animations. I like your sigs btw Liara and Kasumi are the best evar!

[Marcin K]

Sakhalin wrote...

AZ RUSH wrote...

After messing around with GIMP for about an hour I made my first photo shopped picture:
file:///C:/Users/james/Pictures/liara2.jpg
I know it's pretty bad, but it's my first attempt at using a photoshop program.

That's great!  I love this picture.  I can stare at it forever.:wub:

as for first attempt -i've seen much worse 1st attempts, so i guess it's ok to say it's ok:P
also hi all
also:

jlb524 wrote...

NICE!:happy:

Modifié par Marcin R, 28 avril 2010 - 07:58 .

[Shadowcat101]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Just going to cut into the discussions here with the announcement that I'll be writing (and hopefully finishing) the one-shot fic to accompany today's drawing tonight - said fic will of course feature Liara.

One thing thought - and my god I'm going to seem arrogant here - but as quite a few people have told me how familiar they are with Freya Shepard now, if there's any questions you want to ask about her - whether it's in-game or head!canon stuff, don't hesitate to ask.

And for those of you who missed it, here's that pic again...

really nice MDK . one or two things hit me as a bit off, but over all, great work.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dink, Jesus Christ I can't believe you just wrote all of that, trying to debunk my own projection before then putting forward your own. The fact that Liara doesn't implicitly state the suicide mission doesn't mean that she doesn't care.

Yes it does, youre just projecting that with your own personal understanding of her character. This is a video game LET, not fan fiction. We have to take what we are given with Liaras character. Until we are given an indication that Liara cared about the suicide mission Shepard is going on, she didnt. Simple as.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
If she mentions that she wishes she could go with you, or that she opens up and reveals everything she's done for Shepard and shows genuine intimacy, that shows she cares. Just because the suicide mission isn't mentioned in that context, doesn't mean she doesn't care about it or what happens whilst on it. If Liara does show genuine intimacy and a caring attitude to Shepard, which she does, and in another sentence acknowledges the suicide mission, which she does "You're back, gunning for the Collectors with Cerberus" then I don't see how those are mutually exclusive. Just because the Collector mission isn't mentioned in the context when Liara opens up and shows a caring attitude, it doesn't mean that a lack of caring about what happens on the mission is evident.

I've said before about this "suicide mission", but it really shouldn't be considered a certain death or anything that's different from any other mission. Ilos was something that we may have not survived, and yet that isn't considered a suicide mission. This whole Collector mission was hyped on on a meta level as being a suicide mission, when in-universe that isn't the case, and it's not treated any differently from any other mission.

Im sorry LET, Im getting tired of this. Youre completely willing to point out the bad writing surrounding Liara, but you are comprehensively unable to actually follow up and criticise her (now terrible) character thats been created by that bad writing.

You were happy to enjoy to the dubunking of the Tali romance as a "retcon" because they had to include a backtracking statement to add in affection that just WAS NOT THERE in ME1. Now its Liaras turn during the cameo and you get reluctant? Just like Talis affection for Shepard in ME1, Liaras concern over Shepards safety (specifically for the suicide mission he was embarking on) during her cameo was non-existant.

Im done arguing with you on this LET. You are singularly unable to accept the blantantly obvious flaws of Liaras character that NEED to be addressed because you just cant bring yourself to be critical of the Liara character, no matter how much it deserves it.

Liaras little "emotional opening up" that you always tout cant paper all the cracks of her crap excuse of a cameo. I know, because Ive been anticipating this crap since way back last year.

If you cannot accept that there is ABSOLUTELY no direct indication from Liara that shes cares that Shepard is going on this suicide mission, and you have to project fan created caring onto completely unrelated statements in place of that, thats your problem.

What you should be doing is hoping the DLC you are so convinced will not only vindicate Liaras character but have lots of content surrounding her includes an ACTUAL acknowledgement that Liara cared and was concerned about Shepard on this suicide mission.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 28 avril 2010 - 08:41 .

[Goodwood]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Just going to cut into the discussions here with the announcement that I'll be writing (and hopefully finishing) the one-shot fic to accompany today's drawing tonight - said fic will of course feature Liara.

One thing thought - and my god I'm going to seem arrogant here - but as quite a few people have told me how familiar they are with Freya Shepard now, if there's any questions you want to ask about her - whether it's in-game or head!canon stuff, don't hesitate to ask.

And for those of you who missed it, here's that pic again...

^snip^

After looking over your otherwise very nice image and talking about it with a friend of mine who draws comics (not for a living, sadly), there are a few things I'd like to point out. Please bear in mind that these are meant to be constructive comments, and not just some talentless hack takin' the ******...

• First of all, you ought to think about proportions. Even if you don't do actual linework for the image, at least sketch out your figures beforehand, and make sure they conform to basic anatomy as we know it.
• Second, because your drawing lacks linework, it really doesn't have that much "mass", which is ironic considering this is Mass Effect. In comic books, artists use linework in addition to shading to establish depth of shape. This is also how you define things like muscle tone and facial features.
• Third...you may want to think about your character a bit more. Now, don't take this the wrong way, but your Shepard basically looks like Cloud from FF7 with boobs tacked on (the outfit is even vaguely similar to something from an FF game)
• Last, while this is indeed a touching pose with lots of...um...appeal, you might want to think about why it was necessary to have Shepard's left hand positioned on Liara's right breast. I'm also wondering why it looks like Shepard is attempting to "nutshot" Liara.

That's pretty much it from my end. Please, remember that these comments are intended to help you, not to troll. You did an excellent job on Liara's face; that smile is definitely a nice touch. Her outfit is pretty interesting, almost a "formal dress" version of her ME1 scientist garb. The background was also appropriate, and, for the most part, the shading is pretty good and, proportions aside, consistant.

Anyway, good luck with your future work!

Modifié par Goodwood, 28 avril 2010 - 08:50 .

[Goodwood]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Dink, Jesus Christ I can't believe you just wrote all of that, trying to debunk my own projection before then putting forward your own. The fact that Liara doesn't implicitly state the suicide mission doesn't mean that she doesn't care.

Yes it does, youre just projecting that with your own personal understanding of her character. This is a video game LET, not fan fiction. We have to take what we are given with Liaras character. Until we are given an indication that Liara cared about the suicide mission Shepard is going on, she didnt. Simple as.

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
If she mentions that she wishes she could go with you, or that she opens up and reveals everything she's done for Shepard and shows genuine intimacy, that shows she cares. Just because the suicide mission isn't mentioned in that context, doesn't mean she doesn't care about it or what happens whilst on it. If Liara does show genuine intimacy and a caring attitude to Shepard, which she does, and in another sentence acknowledges the suicide mission, which she does "You're back, gunning for the Collectors with Cerberus" then I don't see how those are mutually exclusive. Just because the Collector mission isn't mentioned in the context when Liara opens up and shows a caring attitude, it doesn't mean that a lack of caring about what happens on the mission is evident.

I've said before about this "suicide mission", but it really shouldn't be considered a certain death or anything that's different from any other mission. Ilos was something that we may have not survived, and yet that isn't considered a suicide mission. This whole Collector mission was hyped on on a meta level as being a suicide mission, when in-universe that isn't the case, and it's not treated any differently from any other mission.

Im sorry LET, Im getting tired of this. Youre completely willing to point out the bad writing surrounding Liara, but you are comprehensively unable to actually follow up and criticise her (now terrible) character thats been created by that bad writing.

You were happy to enjoy to the dubunking of the Tali romance as a "retcon" because they had to include a backtracking statement to add in affection that just WAS NOT THERE in ME1. Now its Liaras turn during the cameo and you get reluctant? Just like Talis affection for Shepard in ME1, Liaras concern over Shepards safety (specifically for the suicide mission he was embarking on) during her cameo was non-existant.

Im done arguing with you on this LET. You are singularly unable to accept the blantantly obvious flaws of Liaras character that NEED to be addressed because you just cant bring yourself to be critical of the Liara character, no matter how much it deserves it.

Liaras little "emotional opening up" that you always tout cant paper all the cracks of her crap excuse of a cameo. I know, because Ive been anticipating this crap since way back last year.

If you cannot accept that there is ABSOLUTELY no direct indication from Liara that shes cares that Shepard is going on this suicide mission, and you have to project fan created caring onto completely unrelated statements in place of that, thats your problem.

What you should be doing is hoping the DLC you are so convinced will not only vindicate Liaras character but have lots of content surrounding her includes an ACTUAL acknowledgement that Liara cared and was concerned about Shepard on this suicide mission.

Enough. Both of you.

Each of you has good points. Yes, the "suicide mission" was hyped up to incredulous levels both within the game and in the marketing campaigns. Yes, Liara's character in ME2 and Redemption was undercut considerably and rather brutally. That doesn't mean that we can't make our own assumptions about the five Ws, and it certainly doesn't mean we should get up in arms about differing interpretations of character -- even when some choose to either take what we have at face value or to put in their own filler ideas.

This isn't worth getting angry about.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Goodwood wrote...

Enough. Both of you.

Each of you has good points. Yes, the "suicide mission" was hyped up to incredulous levels both within the game and in the marketing campaigns. Yes, Liara's character in ME2 and Redemption was undercut considerably and rather brutally. That doesn't mean that we can't make our own assumptions about the five Ws, and it certainly doesn't mean we should get up in arms about differing interpretations of character -- even when some choose to either take what we have at face value or to put in their own filler ideas.

This isn't worth getting angry about.

No, this isnt about "interpretations". This is about whats missing from Liaras cameo, and its an acknowledgement that Shepard is going on a mission many expect to be a one way trip.

Some people just dont want to accept that blatant fact.

[Goodwood]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Enough. Both of you.

Each of you has good points. Yes, the "suicide mission" was hyped up to incredulous levels both within the game and in the marketing campaigns. Yes, Liara's character in ME2 and Redemption was undercut considerably and rather brutally. That doesn't mean that we can't make our own assumptions about the five Ws, and it certainly doesn't mean we should get up in arms about differing interpretations of character -- even when some choose to either take what we have at face value or to put in their own filler ideas.

This isn't worth getting angry about.

No, this isnt about "interpretations". This is about whats missing from Liaras cameo, and its an acknowledgement that Shepard is going on a mission many expect to be a one way trip.

Some people just dont want to accept that blatant fact.

I stand corrected in that regard, but still, there is no real need to get hostile here.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Goodwood wrote...

I stand corrected in that regard, but still, there is no real need to get hostile here.

There is no hostility here. Just an intense reaction to constantly having to defend every valid but negative viewpoint brought up.

I myself can accept the problems of Liaras ME2 cameo were more than just Shepards reactions during it. There were actual problems with the Liara character too. Others seem singularly unable to accept such a thing, no matter how strong the evidence pointing to it is.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 28 avril 2010 - 09:04 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Seriously... if i would have in off money i would buy from EA every single rights to Mass Effect and pass them to developer who have knowledge how to create proper game trilogy...