And charge, what? 20 bucks? You would pay that, as would I (if it's any good). But everyone else?
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 03:24
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And charge, what? 20 bucks? You would pay that, as would I (if it's any good). But everyone else?
Depends upon how it's marketed. If the Liara DLC is as deep and substantial as we hope, then hopefully they'd try to sell it as a mini-expansion to ME2 in an attempt to justify forking out more money to Joe Public out there, and convince Joe Public that they're justified in charging a little extra. If they market it as another DLC, then they'll have a hard time convincing people to pay extra money for deep, substantial content.
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Unless Bioware has had the sound-files hidden away on a hard-drive back at headquarters this entire time, they won't be recording new dialogue just for DLC. I'm not getting my hopes up.
How so? The hidden Kasumi sound files and character model that was discovered on the disc all turned out to be rubbish, and mere placeholders. New material was created and recorded for when she was released. There's nothing to say that won't be the case with Liara's DLC, and that they'll get Ali, Mark and Jennifer back into the studio to record new lines. If they have to record new lines for Liara, then they will do.
Do you have proof of these claims, or are you just assuming that since the material of the DLC is different from the material on the disc, they recorded new dialogue expressly for the DLC? There is the alternative that I mentioned.
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Do you have proof of these claims, or are you just assuming that since the material of the DLC is different from the material on the disc, they recorded new dialogue expressly for the DLC? There is the alternative that I mentioned.
It's a logical assumption. Why would they place these files in particular on the disc, and keep the ones they will ultimately use off of the disc? It wouldn't make sense.
I'm going to search for a link, but I remember reading when Kasumi's DLC was announced that BW said that the files people found on the disc were trash and unused, and that they had new material that would be downloaded and utilised for Kasumi's content. I'd imagine the same thing would ring true for Liara's DLC.
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Do you have proof of these claims, or are you just assuming that since the material of the DLC is different from the material on the disc, they recorded new dialogue expressly for the DLC? There is the alternative that I mentioned.
It's a logical assumption. Why would they place these files in particular on the disc, and keep the ones they will ultimately use off of the disc? It wouldn't make sense.
I'm going to search for a link, but I remember reading when Kasumi's DLC was announced that BW said that the files people found on the disc were trash and unused, and that they had new material that would be downloaded and utilised for Kasumi's content. I'd imagine the same thing would ring true for Liara's DLC.
There's this increasingly popular, shady business practice some video game companies use, wherein they withhold content from the release version of a game in order to sell it to you at additional cost, at a later date.
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Well, there's this increasingly popular, shady practice some video game companies use wherein they withhold content from the release version of a game in order to sell it to you at additional cost, to you, at a later date.
While I wouldnt disclose that,the bits and pieces found from Liara are not really likely to be used simply because most of it doesnt fit anymore since going by them the SB was actually meant to be gunned down first and then came the whole hacking terminals/observer stuff
Of course there are some things that could be used like the "I have to read"excuse at the end of a possible DLC or the explaination why the collectors wanted the body
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 03:59
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The extra Liara sound files weren't found amongst the DLC ones but were in with her other ME2 dialog, hence, it was cut from the original game.
The Liara DLC files are empty, atm, and are just there b/c....I don't know. To get our hopes up so we can be crushed again?
The Liara DLC files are empty, atm, and are just there b/c....I don't know. To get our hopes up so we can be crushed again?
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There's this increasingly popular, shady business practice some video game companies use, wherein they withhold content from the release version of a game in order to sell it to you at additional cost, at a later date.
Which is what I think could be the case with Liara's DLC, but not because they wanted to withhold it to generate more money later, but because of Redemption's existence.
They could have withheld Liara's ME2 content, and then repurposed it as DLC. After the backlash following ME2's release regarding the ME1 LIs, they could have spent the last three months since release fleshing out Liara's content, and making it more substantial and deep and adding in more romance content.
Like J said, those audio files that have been floating around are not contained in the Liara DLC files, but in her regular audio files from the game. Plus, it's unlikely that they will be used as it seems BW's original intention regarding keeping Liara off the Normandy is that she would look through the Shadow Broker's data in order to find anything out about the Collectors that would help Shepard out in the coming battles. As that can no longer be the case, it's highly unlikely that these files will ever be used.
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Most of those cut files deal with a different variation of the 'Observer' quest. Originally, it seems the Observer was to be found and eliminated after the SB was killed. Liara asks Shepard to help her with this and Shepard says something like, 'The Shadow Broker is dead, Liara. Isn't that enough?' And Liara tells her she needs to finish the job by taking out the remaining agents of the broker and this 'Observer' is one of them.
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Most of those cut files deal with a different variation of the 'Observer' quest. Originally, it seems the Observer was to be found and eliminated after the SB was killed. Liara asks Shepard to help her with this and Shepard says something like, 'The Shadow Broker is dead, Liara. Isn't that enough?' And Liara tells her she needs to finish the job by taking out the remaining agents of the broker and this 'Observer' is one of them.
Yep, and then you get BioWare's original reason for keeping Liara off the Normandy as I said above.
There's no point in now using that excuse as we completed the suicide mission perfectly fine without Liara finding something out about the Collectors to use in the battles against them.
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 04:23
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Yep, and then you get BioWare's original reason for keeping Liara off the Normandy as I said above.
There's no point in now using that excuse as we completed the suicide mission perfectly fine without Liara finding something out about the Collectors to use in the battles against them.
While that is true,we can be pretty sure about the fact that a possible Liara DLC will be set before the suicide mission regardless whether you finished it or not so the "I have to read" excuse could still be used as a "valid" reason to keep Liara out of ME2 for the most part
Though it might be different should they announce a fulfledged expansion dealing with the Liara/SB thing and some other lose ends leading up to ME3
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Thing is though, Noxis, the "I'm going to read so that I can find information to help you" excuse won't really hold now as we completed the suicide mission perfectly fine without Liara finding anything out about the Collectors. I really don't think BW would do something as contrived as that.
Also, I think the Liara DLC will be set post-suicide mission, as it leads the ending open to a greater number of variables, and it wouldn't really matter if Liara is back on board the Normandy again once her DLC is finished.
Also, I think the Liara DLC will be set post-suicide mission, as it leads the ending open to a greater number of variables, and it wouldn't really matter if Liara is back on board the Normandy again once her DLC is finished.
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 04:47
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Thing is though, Noxis, the "I'm going to read so that I can find information to help you" excuse won't really hold now as we completed the suicide mission perfectly fine without Liara finding anything out about the Collectors. I really don't think BW would do something as contrived as that.
I wouldn't mind though. What ME 2 needs is a big patch that makes it the game it should've been, an ME 2 2.0 so to speak. As much as it would annoy me, but I would pay full price for that. I maintain that ME 1 (sans DRM) for example would be worth double the price of any other game too.
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I wouldn't mind though. What ME 2 needs is a big patch that makes it the game it should've been, an ME 2 2.0 so to speak. As much as it would annoy me, but I would pay full price for that. I maintain that ME 1 (sans DRM) for example would be worth double the price of any other game too.
Hmm, so you wouldn't mind if BW were to retcon the narrative of ME2, and that Liara DOES find something out about the Collectors that proves to be crucial and necessary to defeat them? I don't think I'd mind that, actually, but the whole premise is ridiculous. Why wouldn't Liara join the Normandy and have EDI help her sort through the data, with her help she'd be able to do it in a fraction of the time. Also, why would Liara temporarily continue on in a job she obviously hates? The original intention was daft, and was ditched for a very good reason, I think.
Also, I don't think some people would take too kindly to having the narrative retconned like that. I could just see it rubbing some people the wrong way...
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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Thing is though, Noxis, the "I'm going to read so that I can find information to help you" excuse won't really hold now as we completed the suicide mission perfectly fine without Liara finding anything out about the Collectors. I really don't think BW would do something as contrived as that.
Also, I think the Liara DLC will be set post-suicide mission, as it leads the ending open to a greater number of variables, and it wouldn't really matter if Liara is back on board the Normandy again once her DLC is finished.
As said its true we dont need Liara to kill the collectors,same goes for Kasumi,or the Hammerhead too
Also what Liara found out in the cut content wasnt that much either,aside from why the collectors wanted Shepards corpse I dont recall anything usefull
But in general that wont stop Bioware from designing it pre suicide mission and give some lame excuse why she cant join you again now that her nemesis is dead
I think the only content being post suicide is an expansion pack,although even if we assume the possibility of DLC being set after the collector base I would say its a bit too early for that right now,I would think something like that would come out closer to ME3
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 04:56
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Liara DLC in a nutshell
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard: Liara, I got a tip on where the Shadow Broker is located. Want to help me take him out?
Liara: I can't Shepard. I'm ... cleaning the bathroom. A Vorcha used it last. It's a mess, and I can't have anyone see it in such a state. I' just can't. And after I clean the bathroom, I'm have to flay the mind of the Vorcha that messed it up in the first place. I wish I could go with you, but I can't. I'm sorry.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
(Shep kills Shadow Broker. Main bulk of DLC fighting SB's Mechs and mercs)
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard:I've killed the Shadow Broker. NOW will you come with me?
Liara: I can't, Shepard. I - I ... I've got to water the plants. They depend on me so much. You don't know what it's like having lives depend on you.
Shepard: Actually, I do and you don't have any plants, Liara.
Liara: I was going to get some. Now do you understand why I can't come with you? It should be about trust, friendship and love, but this is Illium and I have to go buy some plants.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard: Liara, I got a tip on where the Shadow Broker is located. Want to help me take him out?
Liara: I can't Shepard. I'm ... cleaning the bathroom. A Vorcha used it last. It's a mess, and I can't have anyone see it in such a state. I' just can't. And after I clean the bathroom, I'm have to flay the mind of the Vorcha that messed it up in the first place. I wish I could go with you, but I can't. I'm sorry.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
(Shep kills Shadow Broker. Main bulk of DLC fighting SB's Mechs and mercs)
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard:I've killed the Shadow Broker. NOW will you come with me?
Liara: I can't, Shepard. I - I ... I've got to water the plants. They depend on me so much. You don't know what it's like having lives depend on you.
Shepard: Actually, I do and you don't have any plants, Liara.
Liara: I was going to get some. Now do you understand why I can't come with you? It should be about trust, friendship and love, but this is Illium and I have to go buy some plants.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
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As said its true we dont need Liara to kill the collectors,same goes for Kasumi,or the Hammerhead too
Also what Liara found out in the cut content wasnt that much either,aside from why the collectors wanted Shepards corpse I dont recall anything usefull
But in general that wont stop Bioware from designing it pre suicide mission and give some lame excuse why she cant join you again now that her nemesis is dead
I think the only content being post suicide is an expansion pack,although even if we assume the possibility of DLC being set after the collector base I would say its a bit too early for that right now,I would think something like that would come out closer to ME3
I think that's what this ultimate comes down to, yeah. If BioWare will just go with any excuse to keep Liara off the Normandy, regardless of whether it makes a lick of sense or not.
I was actually about to quote my post and say "Come to think of it, they did release a DLC in which you recruit a character for a supposed suicide mission against the Collectors....who can be recruited right after you destroy the Collectors." So I don't think they're too preoccupied with things making sense.
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Liara DLC in a nutshell
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard: Liara, I got a tip on where the Shadow Broker is located. Want to help me take him out?
Liara: I can't Shepard. I'm ... cleaning the bathroom. A Vorcha used it last. It's a mess, and I can't have anyone see it in such a state. I' just can't. And after I clean the bathroom, I'm have to flay the mind of the Vorcha that messed it up in the first place. I wish I could go with you, but I can't. I'm sorry.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
Shisk?! Could it be?!
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TIM's still sending me friendly e-mails after I told him to toss-off about the Collector base.
I think only way this Liara DLC can contribute to Liara's character in any substantial way is if it has something to do with the suicide mission. Otherwise, it's just meaningless filler.
I think only way this Liara DLC can contribute to Liara's character in any substantial way is if it has something to do with the suicide mission. Otherwise, it's just meaningless filler.
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I think only way this Liara DLC can contribute to Liara's character in any substantial way is if it has something to do with the suicide mission. Otherwise, it's just meaningless filler.
I disagree. Whilst Liara's current character and story arc with the Shadow Broker has little to do with the Collectors, aside from Liara preventing the SB from selling Shepard's corpse to them and the fact that she's trying to find out whatever he's doing with them as she says, there is a very distinct possibility that Liara's current arc could have a massive effect on the overarching Reaper plot, for reasons that we've speculated on before. If the Shadow Broker is assisting the Reapers, then he needs to be stopped and Shepard and Liara removing him would have massive implications and effects on the trilogy's main plot as a whole.
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Posté 30 avril 2010 - 05:25
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JamieCOTC wrote...
Liara DLC in a nutshell
Pew! Pew! Take that, mercs! Oh cooool, new heavy weapon! Bang! Oh, that's it already? Final cutscene, huh...
Shepard: And that's that. Glad to help, Liara.
Liara: Thank you, Shepard.
Shepard: I'll talk to you later. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]
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Hello fellow Liara fans! 
Still "speculating" about DLc, i see? ^^
That's nice. But don't give BW ideas. ^^
Still "speculating" about DLc, i see? ^^
JamieCOTC wrote...
Liara: Shepard, it's good to see you again.
Shepard:I've killed the Shadow Broker. NOW will you come with me?
Liara: I can't, Shepard. I - I ... I've got to water the plants. They depend on me so much. You don't know what it's like having lives depend on you.
Shepard: Actually, I do and you don't have any plants, Liara.
Liara: I was going to get some. Now do you understand why I can't come with you? It should be about trust, friendship and love, but this is Illium and I have to go buy some plants.
Shepard: I'll see you later Liara.
That's nice. But don't give BW ideas. ^^
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" I'M BACK BEYBE!!":devil:
PIC CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!!!!
i missed page 900-what else?
PIC CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!!!!
i missed page 900-what else?
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Marcin R wrote...
" I'M BACK BEYBE!!":devil:
PIC CELEBRATION!!!!!!!!!!!
i missed page 900-what else?
Welcome back Marcin but please be more carefull in the future when comes to hostile threads:police:
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yorkj86 wrote...
I think only way this Liara DLC can contribute to Liara's character in any substantial way is if it has something to do with the suicide mission. Otherwise, it's just meaningless filler.
I disagree. Whilst Liara's current character and story arc with the Shadow Broker has little to do with the Collectors, aside from Liara preventing the SB from selling Shepard's corpse to them and the fact that she's trying to find out whatever he's doing with them as she says, there is a very distinct possibility that Liara's current arc could have a massive effect on the overarching Reaper plot, for reasons that we've speculated on before. If the Shadow Broker is assisting the Reapers, then he needs to be stopped and Shepard and Liara removing him would have massive implications and effects on the trilogy's main plot as a whole.
This is all true. I should have been more clear. I meant that the only way the Liara DLC would be meaningful is if it contributes to the main plot, while simultaneously developing her character. Having Liara and/or Shepard go off somewhere and do something not at all related to the suicide mission, or the SB, or the Reapers, is basically worthless material.
