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[Goodwood]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeled wrote...



Maybe this will answer your question.

I love Wingedmoggy's work, and the relationship between her Renegade Shepard and Liara. It's so cute!

LMFAO!!! :devil::wub::innocent::innocent::innocent::O:O:police:

[jlb524]

Liara!? What you call my name for?

[jlb524]

[jlb524]

I'll talk to you later, Liara.  

Modifié par jlb524, 30 avril 2010 - 10:32 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

You know how much we criticise Shepard in the Liara reunion scenes for acting like and emotionless idiot, particularly when Liara opens up her heart? Well I think this picture epitomises it perfectly:



Liara:

Shepard:

Yes, I always imagine Jack's back there whispering to Shepard:

Jack:  psssst!  Shepard!  Don't you think you should get up and give her a hug?  You know, give her some comfort?

Shepard: 

Jack:  Shepard!  pssst!  Shepard!

Shepard: 

Jack:  F*ck it!  *runs over and gives Liara a hug*

Liara:    Thank you for the hug.  I feel better now.  :happy:

Shepard: 

Modifié par jlb524, 30 avril 2010 - 10:26 .

[TMA LIVE]

What makes me sad is when Shepard says "I'll talk to you later, Liara", she doesn't say goodbye.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 avril 2010 - 10:29 .

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Yes, I always imagine Jack's back there whispering to Shepard:

Jack:  psssst!  Shepard!  Don't you think you should get up and give her a hug?  You know, give her some comfort?

Shepard: 

Jack:  Shepard!  pssst!  Shepard!

Shepard: 

Jack:  F*ck it!  *runs over and gives Liara a hug*

Liara:    Thank you for the hug.  I feel better now.  :happy:

Shepard: 

Shepard's response to your snide insinuations: 

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

What makes me sad is when Shepard says "I'll talk to you later, Liara", she doesn't say goodbye.

That's right!  That's what she says!  I'll edit my post....

Well, at least it tells us Shepard expects to talk to Liara later.

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hah, I like the idea of Jack giving Liara a hug. I can picture it in my head, and I think it would look pretty cute! Unfortunately, I can also imagine Shepard sitting there like as well.

Was it really too hard to have Shepard get up and hug Liara?

No.

[Sunnie]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hah, I like the idea of Jack giving Liara a hug. I can picture it in my head, and I think it would look pretty cute! Unfortunately, I can also imagine Shepard sitting there like as well.

Was it really too hard to have Shepard get up and hug Liara?

Of course not, but it was ok to degrade Shepard into a tool because they couldn't spend 20 minutes more on the whole scene.

[JaylaClark]

bjdbwea wrote...

I don't know what their reasons might be, Les. Just saying that I see signs. I already said something about the media campaign a few pages back. You can't deny that it did have some effect on ME 2.

And you can't just mix all EA games together. It's different franchises, different policies. It could very well be that they want to keep certain content out of the ME series, that's allowed in a different game.

Yeah, they said it would continue in ME 2 too, didn't they. Nothing continued. You might get a similarly short and odd scene in ME 3, but I would still call it "swept under the rug".

Finally, they stated before release that there would be no same-sex romances in ME 2. The Kelly thing was a bit of a surprise after that, but maybe that was their way to sneak something in that their bosses didn't want. It's not a full romance, as you certainly noticed, so legally there is "no same-sex romance", if that's what they were told. Maybe the bosses even gave their okay for this, as long as it's not a "controversial" (real) romance (with an alien).

But it's of course only speculation. I didn't even say that it necessarily would have to be just because a female Shepard can have a romance with Liara, you brought that up. Maybe there are other reasons, whatever they could be.

Yet another day I really shoulda logged on early...

I think we may need a logical rundown about facts and probable counter-facts, not just with this issue but with every one.  (Though only if we're all in a good enough mood to not fly off the handle.)  As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, scmadsen and I were going to work out a list of fact vs. opinion regarding Redemption 4 a few weeks ago.  The problem is, the facts themselves need to be interpreted ...

But to answer this, in my opinion:
-- EA has Sims 3, where one can get married to a same-sex person and adopt a child with no issues.  One can also get married to an alien in Sims 2.  So I tend to think EA has no problems with that.
-- Bioware, a subsidiary company, has Dragon Age Origins which has Zevran, and ... sigh, :wub:Leliana:wub:... and not only does the world make it very clear that same sex couples are not treated any differently, Leliana as she is portrayed is probably the most moral person in the game when not hardened, with the possible exceptions of Wynne and non-hardened Alistair.  (Very similar to Kaidan's sole-exception status next to Liara.)  I see this as Bioware not only not having any problems ... but actually making a statement, one that I very much appreciate for reasons explored in the Waffles group, oddly enough more so than the Fight for the Love group.

-- And Mass Effect 2 features what I think, upon further reflection, to be plenty of indications that Liara either isn't covered by the 'same-sex romance' blanket (with Casey saying 'asexual' and clearly meaning 'monogendered' , though I wonder if we're up for another debate about that chesnut), with there being two asari mentioned with pureblood children treated sympathetically by my Shepard -- thus dealing with the product of 'same-sex' unions, Shiala coming onto both my Shepard and Somebody1003's Shepard , a few other pureblood references ... hell, lemme just say Illium is chock-full of references to Liara and Shepard's potential relationship.  In fact, in my opinion, though as I say it's just what I believe -- Illium is so full of Liara fanservice that Liara's presentation herself is even more jarring than she would be otherwise.

(I'd also reference a post in the Fan Club, but ... it seems to have disappeared.  Oh well, that was technically not a fact anyway, at least not a quotable one.)

[Goodwood]

Sunnie22 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hah, I like the idea of Jack giving Liara a hug. I can picture it in my head, and I think it would look pretty cute! Unfortunately, I can also imagine Shepard sitting there like as well.

Was it really too hard to have Shepard get up and hug Liara?

Of course not, but it was ok to degrade Shepard into a tool because they couldn't spend 20 minutes more on the whole scene.

Yeah, where's the paragon interrupt?

[JaylaClark]

Goodwood wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Hah, I like the idea of Jack giving Liara a hug. I can picture it in my head, and I think it would look pretty cute! Unfortunately, I can also imagine Shepard sitting there like as well.

Was it really too hard to have Shepard get up and hug Liara?

Of course not, but it was ok to degrade Shepard into a tool because they couldn't spend 20 minutes more on the whole scene.

Yeah, where's the paragon interrupt?

We don't even need an interrupt for it.  All she needs to do is stay standing by the window and we get a {Hug your Girlfriend} option on the wheel ... okay, if I could have infliltrated BW and forced just one change before I was discovered, it'd be that.  Add some dialogue if at all possible that's more romance-specific and BOOM, even noz's happy!)

[Nozybidaj]

JaylaClark wrote...


We don't even need an interrupt for it.  All she needs to do is stay standing by the window and we get a {Hug your Girlfriend} option on the wheel ... okay, if I could have infliltrated BW and forced just one change before I was discovered, it'd be that.  Add some dialogue if at all possible that's more romance-specific and BOOM, even noz's happy!)

Happy is an awfully strong word to use there.

[jlb524]

What would make Nozy happy? Liara-related, of course.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

What would make Nozy happy? Liara-related, of course.

Re-do ME2?  It couldn't end up worse, right?

[JaylaClark]

Nozybidaj wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...


We don't even need an interrupt for it.  All she needs to do is stay standing by the window and we get a {Hug your Girlfriend} option on the wheel ... okay, if I could have infliltrated BW and forced just one change before I was discovered, it'd be that.  Add some dialogue if at all possible that's more romance-specific and BOOM, even noz's happy!)

Happy is an awfully strong word to use there.

Well, how's 'visibly less disappointed'?

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

What would make Nozy happy? Liara-related, of course.

Re-do ME2?  It couldn't end up worse, right?

Honestly, not much could be worse, except if Liara was killed off in some dumb fashion.  Even Liara not being in ME2 at all would have been better than what we got