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The execution is poor, particularly if you don't follow through on her quest.

I do hope BioWare goes the route you propose. Liara's one of the few LIs who you can't really influence in much of anyway. You can shift Kaidan renegade and Ashley paragon and you can do the same thing with most of the LIs in ME2 but Liara is always... Liara. That's not necessarily a bad thing (regular Liara is a really nice girl to have around), it just constricts her character in a way that most LIs aren't. I like the idea that, like Leliana in DA:O, you could potentially shift her either towards her ruthless dark side (sinking her even deeper into it) or back towards her warmer original personality.

I also do think the upcoming DLC will have something to do with the ME1 LIs, though I'm not sure if it will be Liara specific (though the cut content seems to indicate as much).


Honestly, I'll be massively surprised if we don't have at one point Renegades tell Liara to keep her hardened facade, and tell her to toughen up, whilst Paragons comfort Liara and help her re-embrace her caring, compassionate personality. It definitely seems like it's going to be written that way, in a similar way to being able to create an angry, xenophobic jerk Kaidan in ME1, and a considerate, alien-loving Ashley too.

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

The execution is poor, particularly if you don't follow through on her quest.

I do hope BioWare goes the route you propose. Liara's one of the few LIs who you can't really influence in much of anyway. You can shift Kaidan renegade and Ashley paragon and you can do the same thing with most of the LIs in ME2 but Liara is always... Liara. That's not necessarily a bad thing (regular Liara is a really nice girl to have around), it just constricts her character in a way that most LIs aren't. I like the idea that, like Leliana in DA:O, you could potentially shift her either towards her ruthless dark side (sinking her even deeper into it) or back towards her warmer original personality.

I also do think the upcoming DLC will have something to do with the ME1 LIs, though I'm not sure if it will be Liara specific (though the cut content seems to indicate as much).


Honestly, I'll be massively surprised if we don't have at one point Renegades tell Liara to keep her hardened facade, and tell her to toughen up, whilst Paragons comfort Liara and help her re-embrace her caring, compassionate personality. It definitely seems like it's going to be written that way, in a similar way to being able to create an angry, xenophobic jerk Kaidan in ME1, and a considerate, alien-loving Ashley too.

Liara right now seems in between renegade and paragon. If you tell her that you wont help her with the terminal hacking she gets real mad and almost yells at you, but catches her self and apologizes. I dont know what to make of that.

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rynluna wrote...

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Beefy PCs with powerful processors and tons of ram are pretty cheap these days. The only thing you need to watch for is that they have an NVidia or ATI graphics card in them. The Intel graphics chips just dont do most games.


I'd like to get a gaming laptop, actually.  Maybe next year.  I don't know a thing about all the specs I would need.  I'm a dummy.  Sorry for being off topic...um...

I <3 Liara! :happy:

You can pick up a decent laptop that can run most of he games out today for under $800. There are some things to watch out for in laptops though.

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Liara right now seems in between renegade and paragon. If you tell her that you wont help her with the terminal hacking she gets real mad and almost yells, but catches her self and apologizes. I dont know what to make of that.


Frustration at herself that she knows she's appearing vague and distant to an ignorant Shepard, and that she can't find the courage to tell Shepard the true nature of her hunt due to her guilt and the fear Shepard will hate her.

It must be hurting Liara alot to see Shepard belittling her quest, and not being able to tell Shepard just what really happened.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

The execution is poor, particularly if you don't follow through on her quest.

I do hope BioWare goes the route you propose. Liara's one of the few LIs who you can't really influence in much of anyway. You can shift Kaidan renegade and Ashley paragon and you can do the same thing with most of the LIs in ME2 but Liara is always... Liara. That's not necessarily a bad thing (regular Liara is a really nice girl to have around), it just constricts her character in a way that most LIs aren't. I like the idea that, like Leliana in DA:O, you could potentially shift her either towards her ruthless dark side (sinking her even deeper into it) or back towards her warmer original personality.

I also do think the upcoming DLC will have something to do with the ME1 LIs, though I'm not sure if it will be Liara specific (though the cut content seems to indicate as much).


Honestly, I'll be massively surprised if we don't have at one point Renegades tell Liara to keep her hardened facade, and tell her to toughen up, whilst Paragons comfort Liara and help her re-embrace her caring, compassionate personality. It definitely seems like it's going to be written that way, in a similar way to being able to create an angry, xenophobic jerk Kaidan in ME1, and a considerate, alien-loving Ashley too.

Liara right now seems in between renegade and paragon. If you tell her that you wont help her with the terminal hacking she gets real mad and almost yells at you, but catches her self and apologizes. I dont know what to make of that.:unsure:


She's conflicted, that's what. As LesEnfantsTerrible said, Liara feels that she's obliged to carry out this vendetta against the Shadow Broker for A) what he did to what's his name the drell and B) to get over the guilt of handing Shepard over to Cerberus. But she doesn't like it. Not one bit.

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I think it will be one of those things that the player can influence. Something like DA'a "hardening." I'd like it to be as separate from her romance as possible. Like I said, my interest in her has nothing to do with her status as a LI (not my type) but the character herself fascinates me. I love watching smart people do what they do.

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Nivenus wrote...

The execution is poor, particularly if you don't follow through on her quest.


Hm, maybe we're agreed after all. I'm also not per se against the idea of making things "darker" or "rocky", but as you said, the execution is poor (and that's a kind way to put it).

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I don't think Liara has failed at much in her life. I think she blames herself more than most would for both Shepard's death and Feron's death/capture more than most would. It seems her desire to make amends for what she feels are her own failings is what is driving her to destroy the Shadow Broker, at the moment. I guess these would be her demons, guilt and even a little self-hatred for what she sees as failing and putting others in harms way.



Going after the Shadow Broker may not be just a 'personal' thing for Liara, though. She may also have information that leads her to believe that the SB is corrupt/evil/allied with the Reapers/etc. Liara would then feel that she is justified for her search and planned killing of the SB.

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Liara's reaction to Shepard being a jerk to her when she finally opens up and reveals what happened with the Shadow Broker is very telling. Rather than get angry and snap back at Shepard, she gets sad, and it seems to crush her. All of her fears and worries have come to fruition, that Shepard will hate her for what she did.



Prior to her opening up, imagine Liara's thought processes whilst talking to Shepard. "Goddess, I know I am appearing vague and distant to Shepard. If only she knew just what happened. But I can't bring myself to tell her. What if she hates me for it? What if she never wants to see me again? You are such a stupid girl, Liara! You are pushing away the one person that means more to you in this entire galaxy than anyone else! Why? Because you are afraid Shepard will hate you. She'll hate you even more if it appears that you don't care!"



That's what I imagine is going through Liara's head.

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yorkj86 wrote...

Jackie Chan could defeat Commander Shepard, but only if the fight took place in a factory that produces jackets, chairs and ladders.

That having been said, the artist has made some progress on the Liara & Shepard picture I've commissioned from her. She put a ton of detail in to the Illium city-scape. I wasn't expecting that.

EDIT: Removed the artist's name, for her privacy, I guess.


Might it be Ghostfire of Mass Effect Daily Deviation fame?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's reaction to Shepard being a jerk to her when she finally opens up and reveals what happened with the Shadow Broker is very telling. Rather than get angry and snap back at Shepard, she gets sad, and it seems to crush her. All of her fears and worries have come to fruition, that Shepard will hate her for what she did.

Prior to her opening up, imagine Liara's thought processes whilst talking to Shepard. "Goddess, I know I am appearing vague and distant to Shepard. If only he knew just what happened. But I can't bring myself to tell him. What if he hates me for it? What if he never wants to see me again? You are such a stupid girl, Liara! You are pushing away the one person that means more to you in this entire galaxy than anyone else! Why? Because you are afraid Shepard will hate you. He'll hate you even more if it appears that you don't care!"

That's what I imagine is going through Liara's head.

I wish she sent you an email or something telling you whats going on.:(

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I don't think Liara has failed at much in her life. I think she blames herself more than most would for both Shepard's death and Feron's death/capture more than most would. It seems her desire to make amends for what she feels are her own failings is what is driving her to destroy the Shadow Broker, at the moment. I guess these would be her demons, guilt and even a little self-hatred for what she sees as failing and putting others in harms way.

Going after the Shadow Broker may not be just a 'personal' thing for Liara, though. She may also have information that leads her to believe that the SB is corrupt/evil/allied with the Reapers/etc. Liara would then feel that she is justified for her search and planned killing of the SB.


Agreed completely on both points. I've long theorised that Liara's quest is alot deeper than simple "revenge", that this is deeply personal for Liara. After how much she's suffered, how badly she's been tormented for what she's had to do to Shepard etc, she feels almost emotionally broken. This pain is then transferred to a convenient target in the Shadow Broker in the form of hate, and Liara believes that offing the SB will ease her pain, and make her happy again. I think it's almost certain that this is going to turn out to be the case. Hell, we're practically told this when you get the incredibly easy to miss dialogue path with Liara in ME2.

The second part of your post, J, is something else that I also think is likely to be true. It's never touched upon in the comic, but Liara is now in possession of a data cache that details the full extent of the Shadow Broker's dealings with the Collectors, and you'd imagine by proxy the Reapers. Also, the Shadow Broker is shown to be talking to the Harbinger possessed Collector General in person, at the Collector Base beyond the Omega 4 Relay. Strong hints that Liara is fully aware of just how much the SB is aiding the Reapers, and how useful a tool an indoctrinated SB would be to them.

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I noticed Lizardviking brought up one of my pics, that made my day. Image IPB It also reminded me I had recently done some changes to that wallpaper. Here, take a look, let me know what you think.

Image IPB

I like the picture of Liara I used here much better than the old one. I also did some tweaking to Shepard, but it's nothing major.


Not to be mean or anything. But Liara looks downright weird in this new version! :?

Sorry.


How so?

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's reaction to Shepard being a jerk to her when she finally opens up and reveals what happened with the Shadow Broker is very telling. Rather than get angry and snap back at Shepard, she gets sad, and it seems to crush her. All of her fears and worries have come to fruition, that Shepard will hate her for what she did.


I always wonder how Shepard/liara's relation would develop after that. I could imagine Liara getting completed obsesses with taking down the shadow broker.

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WilliamShatner wrote...

Sheploo,
He was defeated we've won the war
Sheploo,
Promise to hate him for ever more
Sheploo,
Couldn't play him if I wanted to
Sheploo,
Femshep has now crushed you
Sheploo,
YOU WON'T BE ON THE MASS EFFECT 3 COVER!!!


Image IPB

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Right, if the second point is true we can't really fault Liara too much for her behavior. The SB is a bad mo'fo that needs stopped....I believe Liara does mention this when she is speaking with Shepard. It's not just a personal thing as the SB is a bad dude/gal/thing.



I would like her motivations to be more than just feelings of guilt or self-loathing over what she believes is a huge failure on her part. I would like any potential SB storyline to tie in to the main story somehow and give this whole Liara/SB in ME2 some purpose in order to make up for the hack job done to her character.

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Femshep > Sheploo.



Liara agrees.

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I noticed Lizardviking brought up one of my pics, that made my day. Image IPB It also reminded me I had recently done some changes to that wallpaper. Here, take a look, let me know what you think.

Image IPB

I like the picture of Liara I used here much better than the old one. I also did some tweaking to Shepard, but it's nothing major.


Not to be mean or anything. But Liara looks downright weird in this new version! :?

Sorry.


How so?


I dont know how to say it right. But her posture and the look on her face just seems wrong for some reason.:unsure:

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Goodwood wrote...

Femshep > Sheploo.

Liara agrees.


Who got the CGI goodness then? Image IPB

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Goodwood wrote...

Femshep < Sheploo.

Liara agrees.


Fix'd for ya

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IndigoWolfe wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Sheploo,
He was defeated we've won the war
Sheploo,
Promise to hate him for ever more
Sheploo,
Couldn't play him if I wanted to
Sheploo,
Femshep has now crushed you
Sheploo,
YOU WON'T BE ON THE MASS EFFECT 3 COVER!!!


Image IPB

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Sheploo is ok. I like custome dudesheps.B)

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Somebody1003 wrote...

I wish she sent you an email or something telling you whats going on. :(


Yeah, it would've been so easy to do. But it wouldn't work, with her sitting on Illium all the time. How would it look if she finally tells you how she feels via email, and then you go back to Illium, and it's still the same old "Good to see you again" - "I'll talk to you later" game going on? I wish we could at least talk to Joker or anyone about the situation, like you can if Ash or Kaidan are your LI. Really, the Chakwas scene would've been the perfect moment, but you can talk about everyone but the person Shepard's in love with. That's another moment that to me seems just artificial and in effect immersion-breaking.

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Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I noticed Lizardviking brought up one of my pics, that made my day. Image IPB It also reminded me I had recently done some changes to that wallpaper. Here, take a look, let me know what you think.

Image IPB

I like the picture of Liara I used here much better than the old one. I also did some tweaking to Shepard, but it's nothing major.


Not to be mean or anything. But Liara looks downright weird in this new version! :?

Sorry.


How so?


I dont know how to say it right. But her posture and the look on her face just seems wrong for some reason.:unsure:


Well, I like it, and that's what matters! Image IPB

Although, it's not like I can actually put it up as the wallpaper, since the computer I use belongs to an avid Shepley fan. He's not into the Liara romance.

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I'm playing ME1 again currently and I just finished the Cerberus mission and gave the SB agent that Cerberus data. I wonder if anything will ever come of that. Bastard owes me a favor.



I have a feeling this 'favor' owing will be dropped in lieu of the fact that one of Shepard's allies is trying to destroy the SB's network and the SB him/her/itself.

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I'm playing ME1 again currently and I just finished the Cerberus mission and gave the SB agent that Cerberus data. I wonder if anything will ever come of that. Bastard owes me a favor.

I have a feeling this 'favor' owing will be dropped in lieu of the fact that one of Shepard's allies is trying to destroy the SB's network and the SB him/her/itself.

Yeah I always give him that data too, I thought it was going to help me in ME2.
Guess not, so much for "My employer will remember this".<_<