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[IndigoWolfe]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Sheploo is ok. I like custome dudesheps.

Fair enough. I suppose part of my loyalty to Sheploo is attributed to the fact that for the longest time, I could not for the life of me make a custom Male Shepard face I was happy with.

[Nivenus]

Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I'm playing ME1 again currently and I just finished the Cerberus mission and gave the SB agent that Cerberus data. I wonder if anything will ever come of that. Bastard owes me a favor.

I have a feeling this 'favor' owing will be dropped in lieu of the fact that one of Shepard's allies is trying to destroy the SB's network and the SB him/her/itself.

Yeah I always give him that data too, I thought it was going to help me in ME2.
Guess not, so much for "My employer will remember this".<_<

I have a feeling that, if you do confront the SB in upcoming content, imports with the information hand-off will end up having it come up then. SB might even try to negotiate for his/her life, with an option being to bring up the fact that the SB never paid Shepard back the first time they had a deal.

[IndigoWolfe]

Somebody1003 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

To be honest, we don't even need Liara to flat out state that the SB is a bad dude/gal/thing in order to work it out ourselves. The SB deals in information that could topple governments. He enforces and polices his own empire with violence and intimidation. He's completely amoral, never selecting sides UNTIL he makes his deal with the Collectors, selects a side and goes from being an information dealer to being some kind of black market organ trader. Something has changed with the Shadow Broker, and he's not neutral and merely deals in information like he used to. I think Liara is very much aware of this, and that he is a menace and a threat to galactic civilization that must be stopped.

I know the SB was depicted as 'neutral' in ME1, but we don't really know much about him/her/it.  It could be that the SB was always dealing in things considered immoral, but just did a very good job of covering this up or deflecting the responsibility onto others.  Liara may have just uncovered these 'skeletons'.

Or, the SB could have just been a neutral party, a simple seller of information like you said, and became corrupted through the dealings with the Reapers/Collectors, possibly lightly indoctrinated or even fully indoctrinated. 

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In a potential stand off between Liara and the Shadow Broker, wouldn't siding with the SB and killing Liara be just about the worst, most douchiest and deplorable Renegade thing to accomplish in the entire series? Hell, it wouldn't even be Renegade, that would just be plain evil.

I really doubt that will be a possibility, though.

Aye, you know some people will do it. 

But yes, it would be horrible.

I'm just hoping Liara isn't killable in DLC or I give up on her appearing in ME3.

[Nivenus]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In a potential stand off between Liara and the Shadow Broker, wouldn't siding with the SB and killing Liara be just about the worst, most douchiest and deplorable Renegade thing to accomplish in the entire series? Hell, it wouldn't even be Renegade, that would just be plain evil.

I really doubt that will be a possibility, though.

Aye, you know some people will do it. 

But yes, it would be horrible.

I'm just hoping Liara isn't killable in DLC or I give up on her appearing in ME3.

I find that exceedingly unlikely.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I still think the SB is "neutral" because that was always the point - the SB dealing with anyone and everyone, leveling the playing field so nobody but the SB wins. I believe it when the SB says it was nothing personal dealing with Shepard body and handing it over to the collectors, it was just about what the SB was going to gain by dealing with them (which hopefully we will learn at some stage, because I have a feeling its far more important than just a large sum of money).

I certainly hope the SB motive/identity is a shocking twist, however it turns out. It cant be anything mundane, as the idea that it was all just for money or power is so boring. Ive already mentioned an unlikely shock twist involving the SB before, and while I dont think it will be that, Id like it if it was something similar.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 01 mai 2010 - 11:24 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Somebody1003 that's a pretty epic picture right there.

You win.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Why does everyone assume that the Shadow Broker is evil or is being manipulated by the reapers simply because s/he/it made a deal with the collectors/reapers? Like I said in my previous theory, what if selling Shepard to the collectors/reapers was an attempt to manipulate them or learn something about them, perhaps with the price for Shepard being some of their knowledge or technology (regardless of if the rest of the theory is true or not)?

All we know right now is the SB made a deal to sell Shepards body to the collectors (for what in return we dont know), and Liara now hates the SB with a passion and wants to destroy him/her/it.

Everything else is speculation. Im not going to commit to anything just because Liara wants to "fit the SB into a coffee cup".

Edit: Didnt Okeer also say he made a deal with the collectors? It seems its made clear in the game its perfectly possible to deal with the collectors for your own ends without being/becoming their puppets or puppets of the reapers.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 01 mai 2010 - 11:38 .

[screwoffreg]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Why does everyone assume that the Shadow Broker is evil or is being manipulated by the reapers simply because s/he/it made a deal with the collectors/reapers? Like I said in my previous theory, what if selling Shepard to the collectors/reapers was an attempt to manipulate them or learn something about them, perhaps with the price for Shepard being some of their knowledge or technology (regardless of if the rest of the theory is true or not)?

All we know right now is the SB made a deal to sell Shepards body to the collectors (for what in return we dont know), and Liara now hates the SB with a passion and wants to destroy him/her/it.

Everything else is speculation. Im not going to commit to anything just because Liara wants to "fit the SB into a coffee cup".

Edit: Didnt Okeer also say he made a deal with the collectors? It seems its made clear in the game its perfectly possible to deal with the collectors for your own ends without being/becoming their puppets or puppets of the reapers.

I am of the opinion the SB is being used by the Reapers to not only gather information about the Galaxy, but also to bring them Shepard, something they failed at before.

I could see Liara's quest being part of their trap.  Think about Harbringer and what his name means.  What if you capture Shepard and turn him/her into a living indoctrination device.  Paul Grayson hears the voices of the Reapers, but who cares about him.  Shepard on the other hand has galactic stature, meets with many powerful individuals.  As Shepard gathers armies and fleets to him to face the Reapers, she could also be unknowingly serving as the old tactic of the Trojan Horse.

Wild speculation!

[Goodwood]

It's time for a Thirty Xanatos Pileup!

[TMA LIVE]

Ever wonder if Ash/Kaidan and Liara have been Indoctrinated, and are now working for the repears without even realizing it? Like Saren?

[jlb524]

I understand that the SB's policy is one of neutrality, but should one who aids the Collectors also be held accountable for the evil deeds they are doing? I think that's how Liara sees it. She knows that the Collectors are abducting human colonies and she feels this is horrendous. She knows the SB allied himself/herself/itself with them. From her perspective, the SB should be held accountable as well, even though it might be doing it just for money or for technology, etc.

Modifié par jlb524, 02 mai 2010 - 12:05 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ever wonder if Ash/Kaidan and Liara have been Indoctrinated, and are now working for the repears without even realizing it? Like Saren?

Saren knew he was working for the Reapers, though.  His indoctrination was lighter than most others (Benezia, for example, was a completely different person under indoctrination because, I think, Sovereign took more control over her mind than Saren's).

I doubt Ash/Kaidan/Liara are indoctrinated.  When would that have happened?

Modifié par jlb524, 02 mai 2010 - 12:08 .

[GARRUS12]

http://www.joystiq.c...iara-tsoni-dlc/

mabye a dlc fot her in mass effect 2.