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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

But...they are, Nozy. Did you miss it or something when Shepard calls Liara out, basically saying "This can't be over some friend. What's really going on?" and then Liara's floodgates open? Her chief motive is her guilt for what she had to do with Shepard's corpse, her fear Shepard would hate her, her sorrow surroundng Shepard's death. That's all based around her love for Shepard. I understand you being sceptical of BW's writing, but what you'v just said is there in black and white in ME2.


No!!!  It has to work for a Shepard that didn't romance Liara too! 

I still like my 'perfectionist' Liara explanation.

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Yeled wrote...

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Not all Twi'leks in KotOR are sultry seductresses.

Not all asari in ME1/2 are sultry seductresses.

w00t.


Well, and there's a certain cute, young, slightly innocent blue twi'lek in KotoR who, at least on some level, might be a precursor to our favorite Asari.  They aren't the same character, but there are influences I think.


Oh...um...maybe.  That twi'lek has a street-wise edge about her that Liara lacks though. 

Influenced?  Maybe yes.

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jlb524 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Not all Twi'leks in KotOR are sultry seductresses.

Not all asari in ME1/2 are sultry seductresses.

w00t.


Well, and there's a certain cute, young, slightly innocent blue twi'lek in KotoR who, at least on some level, might be a precursor to our favorite Asari.  They aren't the same character, but there are influences I think.


Oh...um...maybe.  That twi'lek has a street-wise edge about her that Liara lacks though. 


Plus, she's underage.

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No!!!  It has to work for a Shepard that didn't romance Liara too! 

I still like my 'perfectionist' Liara explanation.


Love, emotional attachment. It's left ambiguous for that very reason. Regardless of reciprocation, Liara has very strong feelings for Shepard. I agree with your interpretation that Liara is trying to "redeem" herself in a way, just for different reasons and in a different way. Anyway...

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Yeled wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Not all Twi'leks in KotOR are sultry seductresses.

Not all asari in ME1/2 are sultry seductresses.

w00t.


Well, and there's a certain cute, young, slightly innocent blue twi'lek in KotoR who, at least on some level, might be a precursor to our favorite Asari.  They aren't the same character, but there are influences I think.


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edit:  I have no idea why all that crap is in there.

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jlb524 wrote...

No!!!  It has to work for a Shepard that didn't romance Liara too! 

I still like my 'perfectionist' Liara explanation.


I think the same scene and explanation should've been triggered - to a lesser, more subdued extent - even if you didn't romance her.

Liara cares about Shepard no matter what, really. It's just a matter of rejecting her or reciprocating her interest. If you choose to reject her it's not going to stop her caring about you, though. I think her words would still apply.

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Goodwood wrote...

/facepalm


Well and truly earned, too.  (Half :P, half late-night-thinking.)

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The love in a non-romanced Shepard would be a friendship type of love. Like, Liara's is Shepard's 'bro' that helps her out regardless.



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JaylaClark wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

/facepalm


Well and truly earned, too.  (Half :P, half late-night-thinking.)


Hon, do you drink alone?

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I think the same scene and explanation should've been triggered - to a lesser, more subdued extent - even if you didn't romance her.

Liara cares about Shepard no matter what, really. It's just a matter of rejecting her or reciprocating her interest. If you choose to reject her it's not going to stop her caring about you, though. I think her words would still apply.


Exactly this. After exploring that dialogue path, how anyone can think that her chief motives aren't based around her love for Shepard I don't know. You're letting your pessimism cloud your reading of facts, Nozy.

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Nightwriter wrote...

I think the same scene and explanation should've been triggered - to a lesser, more subdued extent - even if you didn't romance her.

Liara cares about Shepard no matter what, really. It's just a matter of rejecting her or reciprocating her interest. If you choose to reject her it's not going to stop her caring about you, though. I think her words would still apply.


Yeah, I just want to avoid the 'stalker' motif where she is obsessed with Shepard on a romantic level even though the feelings aren't returned.  Liara's better than that.  

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I would love to meet a woman IRL who liked to dress up as an asari...while she was dressed as an asari, with accurate headpiece...

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I would love to meet a woman IRL who liked to dress up as an asari...while she was dressed as an asari, with accurate headpiece...

What would you do?:whistle:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

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If they don't tie everything she has done up to this point back into the main plot of the Reaper return, or at the very least twist it so that her motivations are stemming from her emotional ties to Shepard I don't see much hope for the future. 


But...they are, Nozy. Did you miss it or something when Shepard calls Liara out, basically saying "This can't be over some friend. What's really going on?" and then Liara's floodgates open? Her chief motive is her guilt for what she had to do with Shepard's corpse, her fear Shepard would hate her, her sorrow surroundng Shepard's death. That's all based around her love for Shepard. I understand you being sceptical of BW's writing, but what you'v just said is there in black and white in ME2.


Look I'm not going to get into a debate about this, but this is not "said there in black and white".  What was given to us (little of it that there is) I agree "could" be interpretted that way, but it is left very much up in the air what her "true" motivations might be.

Is that because of lazy writing on BW's part or on purpose?  Considering how the reunions all around where handled and Redemption I would say lazy writing.  Who knows.

The only semi-clear indicatior at all that we are given about anything is at the end of Redemption which fairly strongly indicates this entire train wreck started over Feron.  Whether they stick with that or not is still to be seen.

LET, I understand your desire for what you interpretted in the scene to be true, I want it to be true too.  I honestly wouldn't say that it is definitely "the way BW will go" though.  I think it is much more likely she consumes herself with Feron and the SB, breaks down in a dlc after we find him/his corpse, then goes darkside killing the SB and taking over his organization. 

Would it completely destroy the last bits of Liara's character and is it completely lame and terrible writing?  Yep it sure is, but prepare yourself for it.

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Goodwood wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Not all Twi'leks in KotOR are sultry seductresses.

Not all asari in ME1/2 are sultry seductresses.

w00t.


Well, and there's a certain cute, young, slightly innocent blue twi'lek in KotoR who, at least on some level, might be a precursor to our favorite Asari.  They aren't the same character, but there are influences I think.


Oh...um...maybe.  That twi'lek has a street-wise edge about her that Liara lacks though. 


Plus, she's underage.


Hey!  I was talking about after TSL, she's nineteen by th- ... wait, were you talking about my post or not? ... :unsure:

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Yeah, I just want to avoid the 'stalker' motif where she is obsessed with Shepard on a romantic level even though the feelings aren't returned.  Liara's better than that.  


I'm not seeing anything so far that suggests that Liara is obsessive about any unrequited feelings for Shepard. What's shown in Redemption and ME2 is very easy to interpret that she's doing it due to her compassionate nature, even if her feelings for Shepard are still present.

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Being a Liara fan sucks.

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I'm just saying:

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Yeled wrote...

I'm just saying:

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I love Mission...one of my fave BW characters.  She reminds me more of Imoen for BG though.

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Being a Liara fan sucks.

Yes it does sometimes.:unsure:

But its worth it.;)

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Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Being a Liara fan sucks.

Yes it does sometimes.:unsure:

But its worth it.;)


Maybe <_<

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jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, I just want to avoid the 'stalker' motif where she is obsessed with Shepard on a romantic level even though the feelings aren't returned.  Liara's better than that.  


Yeah, that's a good point. However, I think this could be avoided if handled right.

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jlb524 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

I'm just saying:

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I love Mission...one of my fave BW characters.  She reminds me more of Imoen for BG though.


Asari even have head tentacles...sort of.