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Support Liara T'Soni for ME3 - Squadmate and LI

Débuté par Nozybidaj , févr. 18 2010 08:42

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 07:54

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I totally see it. It will be awesome if Aria is Liara's father!


Seems a bit contrived, but I could see it.

I wonder though... how does that even work? Not sure about parthenogenic females but I know that hermaphroditic species tend to get both partners pregnant. How does the asari reproduction system determine who is the "mother" and who's the "father," since it appears that only one gets pregnant from the encounter?

The bartender says she was the father in the pureblood relationship. They can probably choose.


Somehow that seems unlikely to me. I mean, maybe the asari have something similar to modern contraceptives that determine which asari gets pregnant but I can't imagine it evolving that way.

Maybe it is possible for both to become pregnant but asari have such low fertility (to counteract their long lifespans) that it doesn't often happen that way?

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 07:56

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One asari probably decides to be the mother and the other the father...I guess. Mating is a conscious decision for them after all.

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Nivenus wrote...

Somehow that seems unlikely to me. I mean, maybe the asari have something similar to modern contraceptives that determine which asari gets pregnant but I can't imagine it evolving that way.

Maybe it is possible for both to become pregnant but asari have such low fertility (to counteract their long lifespans) that it doesn't often happen that way?

Well we dont know for sure but I just dont think that they both get pregnant. I mean we know they can control the pregnancy with other species so why not with each other?

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jlb524 wrote...

One asari probably decides to be the mother and the other the father...I guess. Mating is a conscious decision for them after all.

Thats what I think.

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Nivenus wrote...


Seems a bit contrived, but I could see it.

I wonder though... how does that even work? Not sure about parthenogenic females but I know that hermaphroditic species tend to get both partners pregnant. How does the asari reproduction system determine who is the "mother" and who's the "father," since it appears that only one gets pregnant from the encounter?


I theorise that the asari consciously choose. You know how in an asari/non-asari meld the asari takes her partner's genetic information and uses it as the basis for their child's genetic make-up? Well I believe that in an asari/asari bond, the pair of them will make a conscious decision as to who the "father" will be, and who will take on the father's genetic information and conceive the child. That's my take, anyway.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 07:59

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If Benezia was the older, wiser, asari, she might have taken mental advantage of a younger, naive, asari when she 'made' Liara....I still think this 'father' of Liara's was willing though, but freaked out after the deed was done. So tragic.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:00

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Heh, I see I'm in the minority here. I have no problem with that. It just breaks my sense of realism though, granted, the asari do that as a general rule.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:02

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jlb524 wrote...

If Benezia was the older, wiser, asari, she might have taken mental advantage of a younger, naive, asari when she 'made' Liara....I still think this 'father' of Liara's was willing though, but freaked out after the deed was done. So tragic.


Benezia obviously valued their relationship alot though, as Liara says that the pair of them splitting up caused Benezia alot of pain and she avoided talking about it. I think Benezia wanted a bondmate, conceived Liara before Liara's father then left her, and Benezia was left heartbroken and raised Liara alone.

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jlb524 wrote...

If Benezia was the older, wiser, asari, she might have taken mental advantage of a younger, naive, asari when she 'made' Liara....I still think this 'father' of Liara's was willing though, but freaked out after the deed was done. So tragic.

You make Benezia sound like a rapist......

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:03

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Benezia obviously valued their relationship alot though, as Liara says that the pair of them splitting up caused Benezia alot of pain and she avoided talking about it. I think Benezia wanted a bondmate, conceived Liara before Liara's father then left her, and Benezia was left heartbroken and raised Liara alone.

She could have also died.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:06

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Benezia obviously valued their relationship alot though, as Liara says that the pair of them splitting up caused Benezia alot of pain and she avoided talking about it. I think Benezia wanted a bondmate, conceived Liara before Liara's father then left her, and Benezia was left heartbroken and raised Liara alone.


Benezia valued it but the younger asari might have been one of her pupils just trying to get ahead in life.   She may have thought about it and regretted it afterwards.  Thus, she ran!!

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:07

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XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

If Benezia was the older, wiser, asari, she might have taken mental advantage of a younger, naive, asari when she 'made' Liara....I still think this 'father' of Liara's was willing though, but freaked out after the deed was done. So tragic.

You make Benezia sound like a rapist......


I know...that's why I added the 'willing' part to the end.

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jlb524 wrote...

Benezia valued it but the younger asari might have been one of her pupils just trying to get ahead in life.   She may have thought about it and regretted it afterwards.  Thus, she ran!!

You make Benezia sound like a sex offender.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:09

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Benezia wasn't a sex offender or a rapist!! The young asari was willing at the time but changed her mind later when the idea of the responsibility of raising a child set in and she freaked out.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:11

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How would that make Liara feel, though? Would she feel like her father didn't love her? Would she feel like her father hated her? Would Liara feel "unwanted" and like she was a mistake?



I just don't want anymore pain for Liara. :/ She's suffered enough.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:12

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jlb524 wrote...

Benezia wasn't a sex offender or a rapist!! The young asari was willing at the time but changed her mind later when the idea of the responsibility of raising a child set in and she freaked out.

I dont think this was the case.:bandit:

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

How would that make Liara feel, though? Would she feel like her father didn't love her? Would she feel like her father hated her? Would Liara feel "unwanted" and like she was a mistake?

I just don't want anymore pain for Liara. :/ She's suffered enough.

Thats why my Shepard said that maybe her "father" wanted to meet her but couldnt.:unsure:

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:18

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You guys are trixy!



/walks back out of thread

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:20

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Somebody1003 wrote...

Thats why my Shepard said that maybe her "father" wanted to meet her but couldnt.:unsure:


All of those questions are bound to run through Liara's head, though. It's only natural. I know it seems like Liara has made peace with the fact that she's never had a father, and that she was never there for her and has accepted that. But if Liara's father were to show up, it would change everything and could hurt Liara quite badly.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:21

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

All of those questions are bound to run through Liara's head, though. It's only natural. I know it seems like Liara has made peace with the fact that she's never had a father, and that she was never there for her and has accepted that. But if Liara's father were to show up, it would change everything and could hurt Liara quite badly.

Thats why I think its better for them to never show her father.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:23

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Liara already feels unwanted by her 'father'....it can't get worse, only better.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:24

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jlb524 wrote...

Liara already feels unwanted by her 'father'....it can't get worse, only better.

Well shes wanted by my Shepard.:wub::D

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:26

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jlb524 wrote...

Liara already feels unwanted by her 'father'....it can't get worse, only better.


Agreed.

When Liara's got a caring Shepard and friends, she doesn't need the father she never had. It'll still hurt, of course, it always will, but I'm sure that even if her father came back and opened those old wounds, the right support from Shepard and/or any other caring hands could guide her through it.

Plus, Liara's got a bit more of a backbone than I think some are giving her credit for.

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:28

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Somebody1003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Liara already feels unwanted by her 'father'....it can't get worse, only better.

Well shes wanted by my Shepard.:wub::D


She's wanted by all our Shepard's here.

But a non-romanced Liara should have some family!    Like Aria....

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Posté 02 mai 2010 - 08:28

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Nivenus wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Liara already feels unwanted by her 'father'....it can't get worse, only better.


Agreed.

When Liara's got a caring Shepard and friends, she doesn't need the father she never had. It'll still hurt, of course, it always will, but I'm sure that even if her father came back and opened those old wounds, the right support from Shepard and/or any other caring hands could guide her through it.

Plus, Liara's got a bit more of a backbone than I think some are giving her credit for.

Yeah, ME2 shows this.
She isnt such a "damsel in distress" as most people think.
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