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[Ulathar]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

For those people that say that Liara's DLC couldn't really have major ramifications for the storyline or Liara's character due to the fact that it's only DLC, and not everybody is going to play it, what about if somebody imports a ME2 save into ME3 without the Liara DLC completed, and it makes a series of default choices similar to a non-import ME2 game? If you didn't romance Liara, then the game assumes you selected the Renegade choice and encouraged Liara to kill the Shadow Broker and if Liara is your LI, then it assumes that you selected the Paragon choice and comforted her, convinced her not to kill the Shadow Broker and reaffirmed to romance.

Basically, what I'm saying is the Liara DLC could have quite large consequential effects, and that if the content is not completed then a series of default choices are selected for when a ME2 save is imported into ME3.

The problem I see is - the ME1 DLCs weren't that big and didn't matter in the overall story. What we did in bdts isn't even mentioned in ME2 - same goes for the station...
On the one hand we have none of the DLCs mentioned, so it can be assumed that the same will happen with the choices in the Liara DLC.
However, on the other hand, so far we haven't had any major character focused in a DLC. Maybe that means they'll go at it similar to what you've described.

Well, that's my early morning analysis xD

[Goodwood]

Well, consider this: a lot of folks want Zaeed and Kasumi to carry over into ME3 -- more Kasumites than Zaeeders, to be sure -- and they're strictly DLC characters.

This assumes that they survive the Collector Base mission, of course.

Modifié par Goodwood, 03 mai 2010 - 06:56 .

[Goodwood]

Just for kicks and giggles:



I am not the artist.

[screwoffreg]

Shavon wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

For those people that say that Liara's DLC couldn't really have major ramifications for the storyline or Liara's character due to the fact that it's only DLC, and not everybody is going to play it, what about if somebody imports a ME2 save into ME3 without the Liara DLC completed, and it makes a series of default choices similar to a non-import ME2 game? If you didn't romance Liara, then the game assumes you selected the Renegade choice and encouraged Liara to kill the Shadow Broker and if Liara is your LI, then it assumes that you selected the Paragon choice and comforted her, convinced her not to kill the Shadow Broker and reaffirmed to romance.

Basically, what I'm saying is the Liara DLC could have quite large consequential effects, and that if the content is not completed then a series of default choices are selected for when a ME2 save is imported into ME3.

That is why I like to hope that Liara's dlc will actually be an expansion between ME2 and 3, those decisions would carry much more weight than a simple, hour long dlc.

One way or the other, a mere DLC is going to end with Liara going back to Illium or some other placeholder location.  I just hope the goodbye is uplifting rather than, "NOW I HAVE ALL THE POWER I COULD EVER DREAM OF! :devil:"

[Nivenus]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Niv, yeah perhaps I should have clarified my point a little better. It wouldn't be a massive character shift in Liara, but provide the basis of any character development that Liara sees in ME3, and sets the tone, if you will. Encouraging her to kill the SB or convincing her not to could be referenced back and provide influence over how Liara's character will develop in ME3, and wouldn't necessarily elimainate her as a romance option.

Plus, I don't think BW are too concerned about punishing players who do not play their previous ME content. Look at players who started the series with ME2. They won't have a rachni army, they won't have a unified krogan army etc. I don't think it really concerns BW to punish or assume default choices for players.

I'm pretty sure that players who didn't play ME1 and ME3 will not end up getting their asses handed to them in ME3 because they didn't recruit the rachni or krogan. It may make the ultimate victory harder (or it may not) but BioWare isn't going to punish their customers like that - it'd be punishing renegade players too, for one thing.

I expect that the different choices will ultimately lead to different outcomes, some "preferrable" than others. But I don't think any of them will punish latecomers to the series.

Otherwise, I agree entirely with you.

[Silverite]

I think Liara Expansion is more likely to have some impact on ME3 than DLC. I haven't downloaded Zaeed and Hummerhead, but got Kazumi, I surely don't want any mentioning of Zaeed in my ME3 game. Same can be applied to Liara DLC: people might not want to download it, but to make a choice for a player in this case is not very good thing to do, because DLC is optional and the choice should be optional. Nicely written Expansion Pack however (including not only Liara mind you to attract larger fanbase) can put everything in the right places provided BioWare advertises it as "essential" edition to the main game.

[Goodwood]

I like the idea of both DLCs being locked post-suicide mission. For the Liarasexuals, this means we get our LiLi back onboard, and for those of us who never liked Cerberus anyway, it could offer the chance to present the findings of Shepard's investigations to the Council and the Alliance.

[Noxis6]

Goodwood wrote...

I like the idea of both DLCs being locked post-suicide mission. For the Liarasexuals, this means we get our LiLi back onboard, and for those of us who never liked Cerberus anyway, it could offer the chance to present the findings of Shepard's investigations to the Council and the Alliance.

Well to me that stuff sounds more like material for an expansion then for one hour long DLCs,besides I doubt there will be any DLCs that will be set post-suicide mission and even if there are I doubt they would come this early,I think they would come out closer to the ME3 release to built up more hype or something

[screwoffreg]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

One way or the other, a mere DLC is going to end with Liara going back to Illium or some other placeholder location.  I just hope the goodbye is uplifting rather than, "NOW I HAVE ALL THE POWER I COULD EVER DREAM OF! :devil:"

I live in hope that any Liara DLC that is set after the suicide mission, and cannot be played beforehand, ends with Liara back on board the Normandy, and in Shepard's cabin if she's your LI.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

I think its obvious there is room for your LI in the Quarters.  A whole empty desk, an empty wideframe, big enough perhaps for a picture of a couple?  I just think we won't see it until ME 3, as I imagine the transition to the last game will be fairly seamless.

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
As to why Liara would be in any trouble, I think that when Liara ultimately stops the Shadow Broker and dismantles her own information broker empire, there are going to be quite a few criminals and shady types who aren't going to appreciate the power vacuum that Liara would leave behind, or that fact that alot of their sources and contacts have all but disappeared. Liara could be targeted by mercs or a group of thugs, and you could assist her in tying up a few loose ends that way. Particularly if she has a price on her head.

Well if Bioware would have been realistic Liara would be in deep trouble already and have bounty hunters on her heels,at least if I was the SB I would want her head on a silver plate for ruining my deal with the Collectors and I'm still not convinced his apathy is a result of him being a reaper puppet,for all we know it could just be lazy writing

Anyway while I'm not completely convinced Liara will really dismantle her organisation,or to put it better that the writers will allow her to do it,in case she does I doubt it would give her really trouble,her competition like other brokers or whatever SB agents that are still alive will be to busy to fight over his legacy and when it comes to pirates or slavers I would say they have other person to go to for info,I would say people like Aria for example make some of their profits from dealing with information

All in all though its all hanging in the air,its like Liara hanging on the edge of a cliff and Bioware has the choice to pull her up or step on her hands and I just cant disclose the last thing from happening
They can go in so many directions from the position they are now,hell they could even make Liara an antagonist for Shepard to kill,mind you thats an extremely unrealistic scenario and I dont want to see that happening,but the fact that they could do it and sort of get away with it is somwhat unnerving

[Onyx Jaguar]

It could be compelling though. But I would see that as more the case for the Alliance Marine in some of the scenarios.

[Goodwood]

Whoa whoa whoa, who said that the surviving Alliance squad member would be the second human Spectre? I mean, the idea itself makes sense, sure, but this is the first time I've heard it brought up.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well, not if they are LI's per say. But if you think about it in ME 1 grooming that soldier to a level of high importance to where they get promoted to officer status in ME 2. In ME 2 you have the chance to brush off the Council and possibly join Cerberus. This would make you an enemy to the council and possibly the Alliance (as a cover anyway).



And who best to send after you than a former protege? If they were not an LI it would make for a very incredible and dynamic story element in the third game. Even if it was lets say a variable and an option. If it was I'd expect it to be that way in the default anyway since you did not romance one of those characters.