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[Onyx Jaguar]

Also if they were an LI and you stayed "faithful" as it were, I could see a KOTOR esque Bastilla situation where you are given a choice in however this plays out.

[Noxis6]

Goodwood wrote...

Whoa whoa whoa, who said that the surviving Alliance squad member would be the second human Spectre? I mean, the idea itself makes sense, sure, but this is the first time I've heard it brought up.

Thats flying around for quite a while,I saw it a few times in other threads,what speaks a bit against it though is the fact that the alliance and the council made a vast effort to silence Shepards crew and sideline them,while portraying Shepard as gone completely mad or something,that makes it somewhat doubtfull they would grant Ash/Kaidan spectre status

[Nivenus]

I have to wonder why BioWare would want to alienate the ME1 LI fans. I mean, the way people phrase it sometimes, it's like they think Mac Walters, Drew Kapryshyn, and Casey Hudson have some kind of vendetta against Liara.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Noxis6 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Whoa whoa whoa, who said that the surviving Alliance squad member would be the second human Spectre? I mean, the idea itself makes sense, sure, but this is the first time I've heard it brought up.

Thats flying around for quite a while,I saw it a few times in other threads,what speaks a bit against it though is the fact that the alliance and the council made a vast effort to silence Shepards crew and sideline them,while portraying Shepard as gone completely mad or something,that makes it somewhat doubtfull they would grant Ash/Kaidan spectre status

Keeping the Collector Base and handing it to Cerberus would make it look like Shepard has lost it I would argue (in the Council's eyes, I personally still believe that Cerberus is part of the Alliance).

[Onyx Jaguar]

One horrible idea that I had that would alienate pretty much fans of all characters except for I guess Liara fans was that TIM after however ME 2 plays out would declare Shepard a liability, he would then tip off the Alliance as to "take care of the problem" so to speak.



So at the beginning of ME 3 it would be the Alliance Marine leading an assault on the Normandy that gets everyone killed except for Shepard. Then basically Shepard and Liara would have to find a way to stop the Reapers while they were being hunted down by the Alliance Marine.



I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility, and while it would make for tremendous backlash among the fans, from a trilogy standpoint it would make for a very interesting and dark tale.

[Noxis6]

Nivenus wrote...

I have to wonder why BioWare would want to alienate the ME1 LI fans. I mean, the way people phrase it sometimes, it's like they think Mac Walters, Drew Kapryshyn, and Casey Hudson have some kind of vendetta against Liara.

I dont know how important ME1 Li fans are in their books,ME2 was clearly not catered to them but more to new fans esspecialy trying to take a slice out of the shooter market
While I wouldnt call it a vendetta per se,we have the poor handling of the Lis ingame,we have the comic that is not that good too and then you take Biowares seemingly newfound "darkness" fetish and the "stand alone" statements into account and you dont really get a good feeling as to what comes next

[Marcin K]

 hi all:)
i see we are over half till page 1000
no pic here so far so:

Modifié par Marcin R, 03 mai 2010 - 08:35 .

[Noxis6]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
Whilst I think it was BW's intention to have fans of the ME1 LIs hurt in ME2, in order to push the rocky second chapter of the romance idea, I don't think they hate or have a vendetta against Ash, Kaidan and Liara at all. If you look at how all three characters are written and you analyse them enough, all three of them are sympathetic and acting within reason, and that they all still hold Shepard in the highest regard. It's not like BioWare have turned the characters into hateful monstrosities. I think what people don't like though is the execution, particularly Liara fans as they tried to do too much with her character too quickly, and it lacks exposition and clarification. That's why I think my fellow Liara fans seem more hurt than others, as we can theorise and speculate, and alot of it seems likely to be almost certain, but until we get something concrete it's all up in the air.

As for the so called rocky chapter,I never had the impression that was happening in Liaras case,because you dont make a relationship "rocky" by not talking about it in Ashs/Kaidans case well at least you get the mail from them which gives you the impression there is still something going on in Liaras case well we get that kiss and the infamous easy to miss line,but beyond that you get the feeling like the romance never happened
Although I agree to the fact that they tried to do too much with Liara,also the comic doesnt help or explain it,since shes basicly OOC from page 1 more or less,I agree what other people stated in other threads they seemingly tried to make her some sort of comic superheroine while throwing everything that made her character in ME1 out of the window in the process
As for her character in ME2 I dont know it all seems to be some butchered attempt to make her "harder" or "grow up" or something,that leaves many people just scratching their heads and wondering what to make out of this

[Onyx Jaguar]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

One horrible idea that I had that would alienate pretty much fans of all characters except for I guess Liara fans was that TIM after however ME 2 plays out would declare Shepard a liability, he would then tip off the Alliance as to "take care of the problem" so to speak.

So at the beginning of ME 3 it would be the Alliance Marine leading an assault on the Normandy that gets everyone killed except for Shepard. Then basically Shepard and Liara would have to find a way to stop the Reapers while they were being hunted down by the Alliance Marine.

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility, and while it would make for tremendous backlash among the fans, from a trilogy standpoint it would make for a very interesting and dark tale.

The forum and fanbase would pretty much go into meltdown if that were the case, and I think most Liara fans would join them as we'd hate to see something like that happen to the fans of other characters, particularly in such a contrived and crass way.

Actually what may also work is a similar situation to ME 2 but instead of Shepard dying to save their crew they are disfigured and Liara helps with the healing process (another excuse to redesign how Shepard looks).  Shepards crew from ME 2 would be scattered and they would have to pick them up again but it would create for the standalone story line of retribution/revenge while simultaneously taking on the Reapers.  I hate to throw the Alliance Marine under the bus but I feel that asid from I guess Garrus (as we have seen in ME 2) they are the most likely to follow in Shepard's footsteps and having them act as an antagonist, albeit one that is redeemable by the end (similar to KOTOR) would be better than lets say them taking a demotion and joining your squad as a follower, or them just being a cooperative leader for the Alliance.  Adding real personal struggle to the game is something that really hasn't been in the Mass Effect games as they more or less have been a series of choices which you see the consequences or choices where you don't know what will happen until later.

I feel that putting the Alliance Marine in this role would make the story quite memorable from a trilogy standpoint.

[Marcin K]

hmm.... why is it so quiet here today?

[Asheer_Khan]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

One horrible idea that I had that would alienate pretty much fans of all characters except for I guess Liara fans was that TIM after however ME 2 plays out would declare Shepard a liability, he would then tip off the Alliance as to "take care of the problem" so to speak.

So at the beginning of ME 3 it would be the Alliance Marine leading an assault on the Normandy that gets everyone killed except for Shepard. Then basically Shepard and Liara would have to find a way to stop the Reapers while they were being hunted down by the Alliance Marine.

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility, and while it would make for tremendous backlash among the fans, from a trilogy standpoint it would make for a very interesting and dark tale.

The forum and fanbase would pretty much go into meltdown if that were the case, and I think most Liara fans would join them as we'd hate to see something like that happen to the fans of other characters, particularly in such a contrived and crass way.

Actually what may also work is a similar situation to ME 2 but instead of Shepard dying to save their crew they are disfigured and Liara helps with the healing process (another excuse to redesign how Shepard looks).  Shepards crew from ME 2 would be scattered and they would have to pick them up again but it would create for the standalone story line of retribution/revenge while simultaneously taking on the Reapers.  I hate to throw the Alliance Marine under the bus but I feel that asid from I guess Garrus (as we have seen in ME 2) they are the most likely to follow in Shepard's footsteps and having them act as an antagonist, albeit one that is redeemable by the end (similar to KOTOR) would be better than lets say them taking a demotion and joining your squad as a follower, or them just being a cooperative leader for the Alliance.  Adding real personal struggle to the game is something that really hasn't been in the Mass Effect games as they more or less have been a series of choices which you see the consequences or choices where you don't know what will happen until later.

I feel that putting the Alliance Marine in this role would make the story quite memorable from a trilogy standpoint.

No... as much as i see such scenario rather VERY possible Bioware done already in off damage whit ME 2 and seriously... performing such ridiculous stunt will only prove thier inability to creatig plausible continuity.

There are thousand other ways to allowing another  reconstruction of Shepard's look instead of another "let's blown Normandy again is space dust" scenario.
Why not using similar to ME 1 fake data transfer option?

If there is anything what made me really worried on ME3 is possibility that no matter what my choices in C-base were my Shep will STILL work whit Cerberus because you DON"T hire actor like Mr Sheen to play in one game only... and made him available only for players who decided to stick whit him.
Maybe our "relationship" will be more rocky because i blown up that base but Timmy will be still more or less my employee...


EDIT:

Onyx, please don't use term trilogy in relation to ME games because this series is NOT trilogy.
They are just stand alone games placed in Mass Effect universe.

Maybe one day another developer will purchase from Bioware rights to ME and then will create TRUE trilogy whit tree of choices moved from game 1 to game 2 and concluded in game 3 and of course made game 3 practicly impossible to finish without playing two previous games... but i am afraid times of such complexe games is over in era where people have troubles to read  500 lines of text without screaming "WALL OF TEXT!!!"<_<

Heck i wonder what they will say if they will see "War and peace" books (about 2000 pages in one book writing in so complexe style that can made headache).

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 03 mai 2010 - 10:17 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well the reason I bring up that scenario is because I can't really see either Kaidan or Ashley rejoining Shepard in ME 3 with it being convincing to the plot. Maybe briefly on a couple missions but they have their own command now. That scenario is just one I thought of for personal conflict, what they probably will do though is something similar to Lando in Return of the Jedi.

[Marcin K]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Tum-te-tum, waiting for news of Liara's DLC...

seeing that pic i must agree...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I know most people around here hate the idea. But what if Bioware make Liara go all "Benezia" on you in ME3 and have her become a villain or someone Shepard must oppose, if they wanted they could also have the Virmire survivor becoming an enemy as well.

What would your reactions be?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Asheer_Kahn wrote...


Onyx, please don't use term trilogy in relation to ME games because this series is NOT trilogy.
They are just stand alone games placed in Mass Effect universe.

There is going to be three games based off of Shepard and the characters introduced in the first game. The overarching plot in each of the games is the same. Its a trilogy.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 03 mai 2010 - 11:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

"A trilogy is a set of three works of art that are connected, and that can be seen either as a single work or as three individual works."



Three works, the key here is three. No semantics, basics people. Its a trilogy.

[bjdbwea]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

but i am afraid times of such complexe games is over in era where people have troubles to read  500 lines of text without screaming "WALL OF TEXT!!!"<_<

Hear, hear! Fortunately that's not the case in this thread.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Shavon wrote...

So would you consider KotOR 1, 2 and TOR a trilogy then?

I would consider KOTOR 2 to continue the story of KOTOR 1.  I know nothing of TOR.