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[Asheer_Khan]

On my blog i posted small one shot about meeting whit Ash on Horizon.

There are some surprises there but i won't say nothing.



Hmmm... I really wonder if this incoming DLC will really worth attention... or this will be just another firework launched by Bioware, pretty but...

[ratzerman]

Another page...... another new (old) pic....



Remember when Liara used to be happy and totally into you? That was awesome.....

[jtav]

I think she will be on the cover. I think her were against the Shadow Broker will be a huge part of the next game. I'm very optimistic about ME3 when it comes to Liara. ME2 made me very interested in her for the first time. I don't really belong here, do I?

[jlb524]

I like the new Liara too...I just feel the presentation of her 'hardening' was terrible.



Liara now shows the mix of strength and femininity that I love.

[jtav]

Very much so, because I see a ton of dramatic potential in it. I wouldn't want to be friends with the new and improved Liara, but I want to see what she does. I wouldn't mind being friends with ME Liara, but I felt like the writers were trying too hard to make me like her and incite my protective instincts. The execution could have been better, but I like that she has a goal that's plot relevant and not completely bound up with Shep, even if s/he partially motivated it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Javier is on it looks like

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Liara's always been strong, assertive and headstrong. It's just that it's manifesting itself in a different way, now.

I agree with you J. Showing Liara enduring a lot of strife and pain is an interesting move. The presentation and execution, however, left alot to be desired.

Yes, I see Liara as always being strong...just in a more subtle way.  She's always seemed more emotionally mature than most asari her age (and even most humans that are supposed to be more 'mature' than her).

However, most see her as 'weak' due to her social awkwardness in ME1, and the fact that she seems to fall for Shepard so quickly.  Some believe she is 'co-dependent' b/c of this, even though I feel the dialog makes it clear that she isn't.

Like jtav said, ME2 shows Liara striving to accomplish something on her own without Shepard.  She also seems to be more willing to lead others and has lost some of her awkwardness and reluctance to let certain parts of her personality shine through.  I think this is good for the character.  It could have been handled a bit better, but I still like it in theory.

The 'romance' aspect of the Liara character is where I think most of us our disappointed.  That was handled poorly.  Non-romance is OK but could have been done a bit better.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 mai 2010 - 04:47 .

[ratzerman]

jlb524 wrote...

I like the new Liara too...I just feel the presentation of her 'hardening' was terrible.

Liara now shows the mix of strength and femininity that I love.

I could've forgiven the terrible presentation if Shepard hadn't walked through all of her scenes like a zombie.  All they had to do was replace "I'll talk to you later" with "I couldn't let you go either."  I think most of the fan negativity would have evaporated in that moment.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I like the new Liara too...I just feel the presentation of her 'hardening' was terrible.

Liara now shows the mix of strength and femininity that I love.

I could've forgiven the terrible presentation if Shepard hadn't walked through all of her scenes like a zombie.  All they had to do was replace "I'll talk to you later" with "I couldn't let you go either."  I think most of the fan negativity would have evaporated in that moment.

Yeah, I think most agree that the trouble with the scene's 'presentation' lies with Shepard and the limited options she had to respond with.

Her face.

Modifié par jlb524, 03 mai 2010 - 04:51 .

[bjdbwea]

I don't even know how much I can like the "new" Liara. The presentation is so bad, and her goals and motives are so unclear, it's hard to ascertain if and how exactly her character has changed. I agree with some speculations and disagree with some others, but the game itself gives very little information, so do the comics apparently.

I do see why many fans of other characters are so eager to point out that they liked her change though. They probably feel it's some kind of competition, and Liara - or all ME 1 LIs for that matter - trashed and reduced to a small side role, assures more attention to their favourite characters.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 03 mai 2010 - 04:52 .

[jtav]

bjdbwea wrote...

I don't even know how much I can like the "new" Liara. The presentation is so bad, and her goals and motives are so unclear, it's hard to ascertain if and how exactly her character has changed. I agree with some speculations and disagree with some others, but the game itself gives very little information, so do the comics apparently.

I do see why many fans of other characters are so eager to point out that they liked her change though. They probably feel it's some kind of competition, and Liara - or all ME 1 LIs for that matter - trashed and reduced to a small side role, assures more attention to their favourite characters.

It's not a competition. I don't approve of the size of her role in ME2 and I want it expanded for ME3 because I want to know what's going on with this whole SB thing. Look at my sig and avatar. Now, consider that I've argued for Miranda NOT to be recruitable at various times. So, no I'm not looking to get her more attention by minimizing other cast members.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...


Agreed with everything you've said there, J. Not just that, but Liara has been considerably jaded by the events of the last two years, and everything that's happened to her and how she's suffered. She's lost a bit of her worldliness, her idealism. It's like she's had her eyes opened to the less than virtuous side of the galaxy and it's inhabitants.

That was supposed to be the whole point of ME2, I think.  To expose the players to the less virtuous side of the galaxy.  You can say Liara's character best represents this change:  wonder and idealism to jaded cynicism.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I will be honest, the first time I saw Liara in ME 2 I was taken aback. I really didn't get what they were trying to accomplish. However after playing ME 2 a couple times since then and ME 1 a couple of times I noticed something. ME 2 is largely based around more of a first person narrative, what you see as Shepard is what Shepard sees, while in ME 1 that isn't the case as Shepard seems to know more about what is going on than they should.



When applied to Liara I am not sure what to think. The situation still seems odd, but it has made me more curious than off put as it were. I've had this discussion with a few fans of Mass Effect on this board and it is kind of hard to explain where I am coming from. Dragon Age did a relatively decent job in third person versus third person but it was still in the middle. (With regards to Loghain, events or what not). However I can see how it would be frustrating when you are interested in a character but you as the player do not know everything, but you want to know everything as it were.

[screwoffreg]

My problem has always been the manner in which Liara's personality was presented. It had no context, flimsy excuses, and just seemed...off.

As for her "personality change", I disregard that notion. I don't believe in massive transformative changes like that. Liara was always devoted and could be focused. All that changed was that the "walls" closed in around her, whether through the SB, Collectors, or her grief. What was devotion and loyalty twisted into vengeful anger.   In other words, she always had it within herself to be cold, calculating, and seeking for power.

I hate schmaltz and happy go lucky endings. Its cheap and it lacks the power of reality behind it. I hope Bioware doesn't just do "look shes nice again". Rather, its much more impactful to have Shepard realize she can love someone who is a real, living person with flaws, weaknesses and failings.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 03 mai 2010 - 05:07 .