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[jlb524]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I will be honest, the first time I saw Liara in ME 2 I was taken aback. I really didn't get what they were trying to accomplish. However after playing ME 2 a couple times since then and ME 1 a couple of times I noticed something. ME 2 is largely based around more of a first person narrative, what you see as Shepard is what Shepard sees, while in ME 1 that isn't the case as Shepard seems to know more about what is going on than they should.

That is true...the narrative is very Shepard focused and first-person.  I don't think there is a scene without Shepard in it at all...expcept for the Joker/Collector crew abduction one, but this is more of an actiony scene than one that adds much to the narrative.

I think Shepard could have reacted differently in the Liara reunion, but perhaps they wanted to keep the Liara/Shepard relationship (both platonic and romantic) in a state of suspension until ME3.

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Could Liara's character be used as a personification of the setting and story of the ME trilogy?

I think a good argument could be made for that, using evidence from ME1 and ME2.  We will have to wait and see how ME3's Liara and story play out.

[bjdbwea]

jlb524 wrote...

That is true...the narrative is very Shepard focused and first-person.  I don't think there is a scene without Shepard in it at all...expcept for the Joker/Collector crew abduction one, but this is more of an actiony scene than one that adds much to the narrative.

There are at least two more scenes: The intro with Miranda and TIM, and the abduction scene on Horizon with Ash/Kaidan. Onyx Jaguar has a point though, it seems they wanted to focus more on Shepard. Whereas in ME 1, the style of story telling demanded that we (the players) were shown important developments that Shepard could not know of. I know that I totally prefer that way over how ME 2 turned out.

[jlb524]

screwoffreg wrote...

As for her "personality change", I disregard that notion. I don't believe in massive transformative changes like that. Liara was always devoted and could be focused. All that changed was that the "walls" closed in around her, whether through the SB, Collectors, or her grief. What was devotion and loyalty twisted into vengeful anger.   In other words, she always had it within herself to be cold, calculating, and seeking for power.

I agree that she's always had the capacity....it just didn't come from nowhere.  When I say personality change, I mean what what we see, as the player or as Shepard, presented to us.  She's less reserved now and is allowing some other aspects of her personality to shine through.

I hate schmaltz and happy go lucky endings. Its cheap and it lacks the power of reality behind it. I hope Bioware doesn't just do "look shes nice again". Rather, its much more impactful to have Shepard realize she can love someone who is a real, living person with flaws, weaknesses and failings.

I would hope not either.  A reset back to the 'old' Liara would be as jarring.  Liara still maintains the traits that we loved about her from ME1, there are just other layers to her personality that we didn't see at that time.   This stuff happens all the time.  I find it quite interesting, actually.  I hope we see it all from Liara in ME3.

[Jack Package]

jlb524 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Could Liara's character be used as a personification of the setting and story of the ME trilogy?

I think a good argument could be made for that, using evidence from ME1 and ME2.  We will have to wait and see how ME3's Liara and story play out.

One must not forget that Illium borders Terminus, which is a rather 'dark' place.

[jlb524]

Illium seems more 'Terminus' than 'Asari' even. It's like, Asari on the outside but Terminus at it's core. It's one bad day away from becoming Omega, as Jack says.

[Jack Package]

jlb524 wrote...

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I would hope not either.  A reset back to the 'old' Liara would be as jarring.  Liara still maintains the traits that we loved about her from ME1, there are just other layers to her personality that we didn't see at that time.   This stuff happens all the time.  I find it quite interesting, actually.  I hope we see it all from Liara in ME3.

True. Liara matures and her character develops with time. She can return to a better mood but not in such a (reset)  way.

[ratzerman]

Jack Package wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

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I would hope not either.  A reset back to the 'old' Liara would be as jarring.  Liara still maintains the traits that we loved about her from ME1, there are just other layers to her personality that we didn't see at that time.   This stuff happens all the time.  I find it quite interesting, actually.  I hope we see it all from Liara in ME3.

True. Liara matures and her character develops with time. She can return to a better mood but not in such a (reset)  way.

Do you really think the Bioware writers can pull off such a nuanced return to grace? Will they bother to try?

[jlb524]

Maybe Illium will become Omega and Liara can become the Pirate Queen of Illium. 

[jtav]

I agree with Liara being the personification of the trilogy. I suspect the paragon end of her story will see her as emotionally scarred but still managing to find that kernal of idealism within herself. Similarly, I expect victory over the Reapers to come at great cost, but to lay the foundation for a more harmonious galaxy. Or Liara gives into her demons while humanity takes over the galaxy.

[darknoon5]

Marcin R wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

If Nozy isn't going to change the thread name back..... Can he at least change "Nancy's" to "Nancies?"

That's always bothered me too...we at least need proper gramar in our sardonic thread title.

How am I supposed to see sarcasam there? I bet you think that post's ironic, too:blink:
and i say: delete everything after thread word and it will be even better than before 

I'm not sure I follow, but do you seriously mean you'd like "Liara's happy fun time thread" as the thread name?

oh, so you haven't seen the semi-sarcastic joke? oh well....

[Jack Package]

ratzerman wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

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I would hope not either.  A reset back to the 'old' Liara would be as jarring.  Liara still maintains the traits that we loved about her from ME1, there are just other layers to her personality that we didn't see at that time.   This stuff happens all the time.  I find it quite interesting, actually.  I hope we see it all from Liara in ME3.

True. Liara matures and her character develops with time. She can return to a better mood but not in such a (reset)  way.

Do you really think the Bioware writers can pull off such a nuanced return to grace? Will they bother to try?

Eh, hard to say on what the plot actually will focus in ME 3. There is this possible DLC... I really do not know. I presume, however, that Bioware intends to make a game that is good and well recieved. And I assume that they have common sense. I think they will try. If they manage to do it is another question.
Also I just said that she can return to a better mood. Not a lucky and shiny mood, but a better one than the gloomy one she has in ME2.

[ratzerman]

Just a thought about the thread title..... by pm'ing the mods, we're alerting them to the fact that this thread has lost the ability to police itself. And even if they change the thread's title, Nozy will still be the OP. He'll be able to switch it back any time he wants.



Maybe we should just live with it.

[jlb524]

ratzerman wrote...

Just a thought about the thread title..... by pm'ing the mods, we're alerting them to the fact that this thread has lost the ability to police itself. And even if they change the thread's title, Nozy will still be the OP. He'll be able to switch it back any time he wants.

Maybe we should just live with it.

Yeah, that's a good point...he'll probably just keep changing it. 

I don't mind the title myself....we still know it's the Liara thread.

[jlb524]

Shavon wrote...

Well, I don't think anyone's pm-ed a mod yet. Good thing, too.

They have...no big deal.  If the mod changes it and the title changes back then that happens.