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[Joisan]

imported_beer wrote...

No my writing style is great. I think what gets missed is emotion, passion, an argument that is *personal* as opposed to intellectual.

The pointers I was looking for were more specifically what points do I address. What does Kaidan mean in to those who like him? I must admit here that my reasons for wanting Kaidan back are not as personal as many people here.

What Kaidan means to those who like him?  Well, the first and most important point is simply he represents our choice.  Bioware gave us an amazing love interest in Kaidan and we chose to pursue that relationship.  Bioware talked a good game about the relationship carrying over across the trilogy, but the token appearance of Kaidan in ME2 barely warrants the term.  However valid their reasoning about needing to keep Kaidan alive for ME3, there was a lot more they could have done even within the limits of a non-squadmember role.  So now ME3 is coming and we are afraid that once again our choice as players to romance Kaidan will end up getting only a token acknowledgment, if at all.  I guess the point I'm trying to make is this: Bioware has talked a good game about making Mass Effect a game where choices, and consequences, carry across installments of a trilogy in a meaningful way.  Now it's time for them to live up to that or there are going to be a lot of angry and disappointed fans.

Modifié par Joisan, 09 avril 2010 - 09:38 .

[Joisan]

Quaay wrote...

I don't know what points Kioux made in her letter but I would like to make sure they know we want different dialogue/storylines for Kaidan and Ashley. Making them interchangeable gives me zero reason to ever need/want to keep Ash around in any playthrough. They are such different personalities and they deserve to show that.

She made this point.

[Quaay]

Jho is so good to us! How can we stay depressed when she leaves presents like that for us to unwrap...

[Daewan]

imported_beer wrote...

Daewan wrote...

1: If you're scared your writing will sound bad, you'll never write anything.  Just write it anyway.
1a. You can't edit something that doesn't exist!  And no one can give you feedback on something you haven't written!
2: Why would sounding academic be a drawback?  There are more than enough people who write at grade school level.  It would probably be a welcome change, so long as you're not hammering people over the head with ridiculously long words at inappropriate times.

No my writing style is great. I think what gets missed is emotion, passion, an argument that is *personal* as opposed to intellectual.

The pointers I was looking for were more specifically what points do I address. What does Kaidan mean in to those who like him? I must admit here that my reasons for wanting Kaidan back are not as personal as many people here.

Why?  If you're not naturally a personal or emotional writer, faking it will sound... fake.

Write your reasons for wanting Kaidan around.  It's your story/opinion, write what you think is right.  There are many different ways of writing "passion."  If you're not comfortable with writing the emotional bits, do the reactions instead.  Intellect does not necessarily mean unsexy or unemotional.

And your argument that you were a great writer yet unemotional was actually pretty impassioned, so....

I want Kaidan back cuz he's mah snugglebunny.  But I'm not going to write that in a letter!  Well, not with those words anyway.  I'd probably take a very stiff, mature tone and stress choice and consequences, and what a well-designed character he is.  But I just want mah snugglebunny.

Modifié par Daewan, 09 avril 2010 - 09:42 .

[taigin]

Joisan wrote...

OMG Squee!  And did anyone else notice she mentioned "something else" she was working on?



I may come back to bed, alright, but I'm pretty sure there won't be much sleeping involved   Just saying.

Oooh. I was just about to hit the sack. This is exactly what I needed. Good night everyone

[jillyfae]

Quaay wrote...

Jho is so good to us! How can we stay depressed when she leaves presents like that for us to unwrap...

*unwrapping Kaidan*

This thread routinely overloads my poor brain.  <3

And while the new picture is crazy awesome, this is still my favorite:

[fortunesque]

taigin wrote...

Joisan wrote...

OMG Squee!  And did anyone else notice she mentioned "something else" she was working on?



I may come back to bed, alright, but I'm pretty sure there won't be much sleeping involved   Just saying.

Oooh. I was just about to hit the sack. This is exactly what I needed. Good night everyone

Hit... sack...

[Daewan]

imported_beer wrote...

Joisan wrote...
So now ME3 is coming and we are afraid that once again our choice as players to romance Kaidan will end up getting only a token acknowledgment, if at all.  I guess the point I'm trying to make is this: Bioware has talked a good game about making Mass Effect a game where choices, and consequences, carry across installments of a trilogy in a meaningful way.  Now it's time for them to live up to that or there are going to be a lot of angry and disappointed fans.

I *absolutely* get this.

Thanks.

Daewan wrote...

And your argument that you were a great writer yet unemotional was actually pretty impassioned, so....

And incredibly egoistical. I apologize.

Well, I'm not going to disagree with you.  You consistently write in complete, connected sentences. 

[M-Sinistrari]

Well, if a letter's going to go out, a few things we need to keep in mind. First off, we don't want to sound crazy. I've seen many fan letters go out that probably ended up in the trash soon as the first line got skimmed over. Pointing out that their writers managed to create a character that is engaging enough to warrant a fairly sizeable fanbase would be a good tangent. They need to remember our money's just as valid as the others they've given blatant fanservice to and for how long it's been since ME1 came out and we're still devoted to the character despite how they've handled things, should be a testament right there.

(edited for a slight case of can't-spellitis)

Modifié par M-Sinistrari, 09 avril 2010 - 09:49 .

[chem light]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Well, if a letter's going to go out, a few things we need to keep in mind. First off, we don't want to sound crazy. I've seen many fan letters go out that probably ended up in the trash soon as the first line got skimmed over. Pointing out that their writers managed to create a character that is engaging enough to warrant a fairly sizeable fanbase would be a good tangent. They need to remember our money's just as valid as the others they've given blatant fanservice to and for how long it's been since ME1 came out and we're still devoted to the character despite how they've handled things, should be a testament right there.

(edited for a slight case of can't-spellitis)

I think, that depending on how we represent ourselves, that mere face that we're writing letters at all will be taken as a compliment.  The action in and of itself demonstrates our appreciationn of the work they put into their art.  It shows that we like something they created so much, that we want to see more of it.

Kaidan was a a great character.  He obviously appealed to a lot of people.  Why not use and asset you've already created?

[M-Sinistrari]

chem light wrote...

I think, that depending on how we represent ourselves, that mere face that we're writing letters at all will be taken as a compliment.  The action in and of itself demonstrates our appreciationn of the work they put into their art.  It shows that we like something they created so much, that we want to see more of it.

Kaidan was a a great character.  He obviously appealed to a lot of people.  Why not use and asset you've already created?

I do agree that actual written out letters are the best way to go, and a well mobilized fanbase is capable of a hell of a lot.  Hell, look at what Bjo Trimble pulled off for Star Trek.  I'm just heavily tempered of being twitchy around anything that could have them just roll thier eyes and blow things off.  As much as I do want to believe that they've still got something really worthwhile in the works for both Kaidan and Ashley, unfortunately I've worked in enough corporate settings to see things get the shaft somewhere from last word said to final execution.

Then again, maybe I'm overthinking which is one of my more grevious flaws.

[sesheta255]

chem light wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Well, if a letter's going to go out, a few things we need to keep in mind. First off, we don't want to sound crazy. I've seen many fan letters go out that probably ended up in the trash soon as the first line got skimmed over. Pointing out that their writers managed to create a character that is engaging enough to warrant a fairly sizeable fanbase would be a good tangent. They need to remember our money's just as valid as the others they've given blatant fanservice to and for how long it's been since ME1 came out and we're still devoted to the character despite how they've handled things, should be a testament right there.

(edited for a slight case of can't-spellitis)

I think, that depending on how we represent ourselves, that mere face that we're writing letters at all will be taken as a compliment.  The action in and of itself demonstrates our appreciationn of the work they put into their art.  It shows that we like something they created so much, that we want to see more of it.

Kaidan was a a great character.  He obviously appealed to a lot of people.  Why not use and asset you've already created?

And if you romanced Kaidan it wasn't cheesy or overdone unlike the femshep ME2 romance options (thats my opinion anyway).  So hopefully they will go back to how they approached the romance aspects of ME1 for the final part of the trilogy.  I know the romance aspect is only a small part of the story but it does make it more involving if you like to go that way.  Hopefully, now that all the characters have been established the focus will be back on the main mission, as in ME1, rather than a bunch of loyalty quests.

Modifié par sesheta255, 09 avril 2010 - 10:12 .

[chem light]

It's funny, to me, the ME2 romances, for all their additional clothes, were tackier and cruder than the ME1 romances. In ME1 , there were people to talk to, people that had personalities and histories regardless of whether you wanted to get them into bed or not. They didn't just stop talking to you if you didn't pursue a romance path with them. Besides that, the level of cheap innuendo with both Jacob and Garrus was a complete turn off for me. To me, the casual regard those romance options show for Shepard is much worse than showing side boob. But that's just me.

p.s. At least Garrus kind of saved his romance in the end. Jacob...I was waiting for the slap base to start.
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Modifié par chem light, 09 avril 2010 - 10:16 .

[Quaay]

Yea I'm really glad ME1 didn't make me sex Wrex just to hear his story about Aleena

[sesheta255]

@chem - I'm in total agreement with you. As I said earlier, I really am starting to wonder whether bioware were ever actually serious about the Jacob romance or if it was a case of poking fun at themselves and the fanbase to a certain extent.

[chem light]

Quaay wrote...

Yea I'm really glad ME1 didn't make me sex Wrex just to hear his story about Aleena

lol:D

[Lisa_H]

Quaay wrote...

I don't know what points Kioux made in her letter but I would like to make sure they know we want different dialogue/storylines for Kaidan and Ashley. Making them interchangeable gives me zero reason to ever need/want to keep Ash around in any playthrough. They are such different personalities and they deserve to show that.

I'm hoping they will do something similar to KOTOR 2. There your gender decided if you got the Handmaiden or Disciple as a companion. To me these two felt like two quite different characters.

[chem light]

LiamN7 wrote...

Quaay wrote...

Yea I'm really glad ME1 didn't make me sex Wrex just to hear his story about Aleena

Well thanks for getting that picture in my head.

Well Laim, you should know by now, coming into our thread is like walking into an ambush knowing full well it's there.

[Strike]

Hello all! Anything new today?

[chem light]

LiamN7 wrote...

Just when I start getting used to Kaidan pics. Quay hits me with that. And I was eating pizza too.

Pizza sounds good.  I think you just picked dinner for me.  Hey, totally random.  Does anyone here remember the movie flight of the dragons?

[M-Sinistrari]

chem light wrote...

It's funny, to me, the ME2 romances, for all their additional clothes, were tackier and cruder than the ME1 romances. In ME1 , there were people to talk to, people that had personalities and histories regardless of whether you wanted to get them into bed or not. They didn't just stop talking to you if you didn't pursue a romance path with them. Besides that, the level of cheap innuendo with both Jacob and Garrus was a complete turn off for me. To me, the casual regard those romance options show for Shepard is much worse than showing side boob. But that's just me.

p.s. At least Garrus kind of saved his romance in the end. Jacob...I was waiting for the slap base to start.
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After my first playthrough on ME2 I was so thrown off by the 'just about drag you over and rub the nose in it'  push to romance followed by the nothing more to say once you nixed the romance aspect, I pretty much held off on further playthroughs until Gibbed's editor to just check off to get what I needed to move along and just not bother with the rest ot it.  I did like with ME1 being able to still find something to talk about, after all that's reality and unless one's dysfunctional, you just don't close off ever continuing to talk if option of nookie's off the table.

[chem light]

Strike wrote...

Hello all! Anything new today?

Let's see, Jho has new come hither pics.

We all agree the ME1 romances were done better.

And I'm realizing I have woefully few points for these auctions due to my steadfast refusal to get a twitter account.