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[fortunesque]

TeenZombie wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Shields his eyes and wanders in, feeling his way past the many pieces of double X chromosome-fabricated, shirtless and/or pantsless horror*

This is the fate that awaits all those who are disloyal to Kaidan in Mass Effect 2:

*flees*

LOL, thank you for braving the horror!    I personally would just like to have a scene where Shepard is forced to choose between their ME1 or ME2 love interests, and then all parties just move on.  I don't want to see a fight between LIs...I think it's arrogant and egotistical (and mean!) to enjoy the thought of pitting squadmates against each other because Shepard wanted to bed hop.  I can't even imagine, for instance, Liara vs. Tali...two cute, nice alien girls who didn't have any problem with each other in the past, going at it over Shepard.  That's not nice!

Good morning, all!

I still think that disloyal people are going to get something very bad... like both LIs will leave them or something.

*glances at Bioware*

*Shepard voice*

IF YOU'VE GOT THE GUTS!

[Collider]

Losing loyalties over this, at least with Kaidan, seems excessive. Kaidan wouldn't be one to be so shortsighted as not to be loyal because you "cheated."

[RyrineaNara]

I too think it would hurt as well, since he was in the first game just not as a romance option.

[fortunesque]

Collider wrote...

Losing loyalties over this, at least with Kaidan, seems excessive. Kaidan wouldn't be one to be so shortsighted as not to be loyal because you "cheated."

I'm saying that they'd both be unromanceable because they wouldn't want to get involved with Shepard because he/she can't make up her mind.

[Shenzi]

I think part of the problem is that in ME2 Shepard is not given the option of ending the ME1 romance before starting up a ME2 romance.
 
Not that many of us on this thread would have done it but if you were given the choice of responding to Kaidan’s email and ending the relationship then there wouldn’t be any loyalty issues involved with starting up a ME2 romance.

We really should have been able to respond to Kaidan's email either giving either a positive or negative response which I guess would correspond to a paragon or renegade decision.

Modifié par Shenzi, 12 avril 2010 - 04:40 .

[Collider]

@fortunesque That's not a bad idea. Bioware said that there will be consequences so that may be it. I find that ME1 romances essentially not being able to be romanced is more likely though. Fortunately we're both in the clear.

Modifié par Collider, 12 avril 2010 - 04:39 .

[fortunesque]

For some reason, I think they want to force tension into the romance subplots. Look at how they had Shepard respond on Horizon; it's no wonder that Ash and Kaidan got mad from Shepard's lame answers.

Same thing with the emails. I could see them having them say, "You didn't respond to my email... so I worried," even though we CAN'T reply to the damned thing.

I'd like to see them try to do something that would throw a bucket of ice on the people that hate the Virmire survivor now. But do I think that will happen? Probably not. <_<

[Jean]

fortunesque wrote...

Collider wrote...

Losing loyalties over this, at least with Kaidan, seems excessive. Kaidan wouldn't be one to be so shortsighted as not to be loyal because you "cheated."

I'm saying that they'd both be unromanceable because they wouldn't want to get involved with Shepard because he/she can't make up her mind.

That's most likely it, but I personally wanna see a main story line impact on it too, since we have no idea about what role either of the Virmire suvivors will be playing or how they'll end up back with you. Ditto for other squadmates like Garrus or Tali.
Kaidan could pull off an Alistair for all we know.

[Shenzi]

Collider wrote...

Losing loyalties over this, at least with Kaidan, seems excessive. Kaidan wouldn't be one to be so shortsighted as not to be loyal because you "cheated."

Once Kaidan actually understood that Shepard had been dead / unconscious for 2 years and only awake for a few weeks and not just hiding out after faking her death I think he'd be rightfully damn pissed off if she jumped into bed with someone else after only a few weeks of consciousness.

[Shenzi]

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Shields his eyes and wanders in, feeling his way past the many pieces of double X chromosome-fabricated, shirtless and/or pantsless horror*

This is the fate that awaits all those who are disloyal to Kaidan in Mass Effect 2:

*flees*

LOL, thank you for braving the horror!    I personally would just like to have a scene where Shepard is forced to choose between their ME1 or ME2 love interests, and then all parties just move on.  I don't want to see a fight between LIs...I think it's arrogant and egotistical (and mean!) to enjoy the thought of pitting squadmates against each other because Shepard wanted to bed hop.  I can't even imagine, for instance, Liara vs. Tali...two cute, nice alien girls who didn't have any problem with each other in the past, going at it over Shepard.  That's not nice!

Not to mention, I can't think of a way for it to be done where it's not cheesy as hell.

There is one confrontation what we'd all love to see just from Jacob making the moves on Shep even if she never responded to it.

[Sialater]

Shenzi wrote...

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Shields his eyes and wanders in, feeling his way past the many pieces of double X chromosome-fabricated, shirtless and/or pantsless horror*

This is the fate that awaits all those who are disloyal to Kaidan in Mass Effect 2:

*flees*

LOL, thank you for braving the horror!    I personally would just like to have a scene where Shepard is forced to choose between their ME1 or ME2 love interests, and then all parties just move on.  I don't want to see a fight between LIs...I think it's arrogant and egotistical (and mean!) to enjoy the thought of pitting squadmates against each other because Shepard wanted to bed hop.  I can't even imagine, for instance, Liara vs. Tali...two cute, nice alien girls who didn't have any problem with each other in the past, going at it over Shepard.  That's not nice!

Not to mention, I can't think of a way for it to be done where it's not cheesy as hell.

There is one confrontation what we'd all love to see just from Jacob making the moves on Shep even if she never responded to it.

Having suffered through Jacob's romance "For Science..."  I agree.  *full body dry heave*

However, it's not Jacob's fault he's badly written.

[Jean]

Shenzi wrote...

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

*Shields his eyes and wanders in, feeling his way past the many pieces of double X chromosome-fabricated, shirtless and/or pantsless horror*

This is the fate that awaits all those who are disloyal to Kaidan in Mass Effect 2:

*flees*

LOL, thank you for braving the horror!    I personally would just like to have a scene where Shepard is forced to choose between their ME1 or ME2 love interests, and then all parties just move on.  I don't want to see a fight between LIs...I think it's arrogant and egotistical (and mean!) to enjoy the thought of pitting squadmates against each other because Shepard wanted to bed hop.  I can't even imagine, for instance, Liara vs. Tali...two cute, nice alien girls who didn't have any problem with each other in the past, going at it over Shepard.  That's not nice!

Not to mention, I can't think of a way for it to be done where it's not cheesy as hell.

There is one confrontation what we'd all love to see just from Jacob making the moves on Shep even if she never responded to it.

But... But the priiiize...

[fortunesque]

It's crazy that Shepard would move on that quickly unless she never cared for her initial LI in the first place. I view it as this:



Liarashidan: Wow. You moved on how fast?

ME2 LI: Are you going to leave me that quickly as well?

Shep: I was hurt... and I was confused. And my feelings!

Liarashidana: What about our feelings?

ME2 LI: Yeah. What about how I feel? This is not what I bargained for.

Shep: But I moved on!

ME2 LI: And how long is it going to take you to move on from me?



Etc.

[Sialater]

[taigin]

Well Tali and Garrus didn't seem to care in Me2. If you had a romance with Liara or Ash/Kaidan it would be likely they knew atleast something was going on, or if you brought them with you to the Horizaon encounter. Would be really strange if they started to question Shep in ME3 about leaving their Me1 LI in the fashion they did.

[RyrineaNara]

fortunesque wrote...

It's crazy that Shepard would move on that quickly unless she never cared for her initial LI in the first place. I view it as this:

Liarashidan: Wow. You moved on how fast?
ME2 LI: Are you going to leave me that quickly as well?
Shep: I was hurt... and I was confused. And my feelings!
Liarashidana: What about our feelings?
ME2 LI: Yeah. What about how I feel? This is not what I bargained for.
Shep: But I moved on!
ME2 LI: And how long is it going to take you to move on from me?

Etc.

This is what I would expect as well.  They should get nethier of the people they love :happy:

[Jean]

RyrineaNara wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It's crazy that Shepard would move on that quickly unless she never cared for her initial LI in the first place. I view it as this:

Liarashidan: Wow. You moved on how fast?
ME2 LI: Are you going to leave me that quickly as well?
Shep: I was hurt... and I was confused. And my feelings!
Liarashidana: What about our feelings?
ME2 LI: Yeah. What about how I feel? This is not what I bargained for.
Shep: But I moved on!
ME2 LI: And how long is it going to take you to move on from me?

Etc.

This is what I would expect as well.  They should get nethier of the people they love :happy:

The people who cheated on Ash to get Tali are going to be very PO'd.
I don't think I can even begin to picture the hatred and danger on these forums if that happens.

[Sialater]

Hey, now... Meghan's got good reasons for what she did. Frankly, I think it depends on your Shepard and her personality.



I haven't died, but I did have a car accident that nearly crippled me. It made me look at things differently. Namely, my boyfriend at the time turned into something more permanent because I realized I loved him, I dropped out of graduate school because I'd rather have people study MY work than have to study others'. I'd imagine being dead changes a person as much as that car accident changed me. Shepard confronted her mortality and it may even have changed what she wanted in a companion or made her realize what she thought was solid was not.



Not staying with Kaidan is not always a shallow decision.

[Collider]

Batteries wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It's crazy that Shepard would move on that quickly unless she never cared for her initial LI in the first place. I view it as this:

Liarashidan: Wow. You moved on how fast?
ME2 LI: Are you going to leave me that quickly as well?
Shep: I was hurt... and I was confused. And my feelings!
Liarashidana: What about our feelings?
ME2 LI: Yeah. What about how I feel? This is not what I bargained for.
Shep: But I moved on!
ME2 LI: And how long is it going to take you to move on from me?

Etc.

This is what I would expect as well.  They should get nethier of the people they love :happy:

The people who cheated on Ash to get Tali are going to be very PO'd.
I don't think I can even begin to picture the hatred and danger on these forums if that happens.

Hey, their fault. I think we all agree that it's most ideal if Shepard only has one romance interest. Having two gives the impression that Shepard may see these people as expendable, which none of the love interests would like to think.

[fortunesque]

Batteries wrote...


The people who cheated on Ash to get Tali are going to be very PO'd.
I don't think I can even begin to picture the hatred and danger on these forums if that happens.

I mean, it IS their fault, whether they're "on a break" or "on the rocks" with the old LI. Do they honestly think they can just declare everything over with the ME1 LI and go about their merry way?

Erm... that's not how real life works. And if someone in real life does that, the get major consequences.

And the people that say, "well ____ did ____ to MEEEEE" really need to cool down and take a step back.

/badmoodtoday

[sapphyreelf]

I agree with Sia. I think it's only a shallow decision based on how it is being treated by that particular Shepard.There are alot of people who are being childish over it, and it makes the decision seem shallow, but that's not all the Shepards.

And although my Shep is not the kind to love multiple people at once, there are people who can and do love more than one person deeply - especially in the kinds of situations that Shep goes through. It's not fair to all those in the love triangle, but it does happen - especially in literature. I think if a person can express for their Shep good reasons as to why they are making their decisions, that it's not shallow (unless they are intentionally making it shallow). I may not agree with it based on how I think for my Shepards, but I can still appreciate the viewpoints of the others.

[fortunesque]

Sialater wrote...

Hey, now... Meghan's got good reasons for what she did. Frankly, I think it depends on your Shepard and her personality.

I haven't died, but I did have a car accident that nearly crippled me. It made me look at things differently. Namely, my boyfriend at the time turned into something more permanent because I realized I loved him, I dropped out of graduate school because I'd rather have people study MY work than have to study others'. I'd imagine being dead changes a person as much as that car accident changed me. Shepard confronted her mortality and it may even have changed what she wanted in a companion or made her realize what she thought was solid was not.

Not staying with Kaidan is not always a shallow decision.

Understood.

But these people that go in whining about the whole thing and saying, "I hope I get to kill ___ because I don't like them anymore and my feelings got hurt etc" need to have a reality check.

And I still think the devs are trying to force some situation that they have planned for ME3 by the way they make it impossible for Shepard to make a clean break with the old LI. That's the frustrating part. It also ties in with their whole, "we think everyone will cheat because the new LI are so compelling etc" thing.

I honestly think they want everyone to 'cheat' or 'move on' or what have you because there's something that's "omgesuperawesome" that they want to have in a lot of people's games. 

[Collider]

Really, it seems to me that they want the players to experience the romance confrontation. If they are going to put a lot of effort in it, I can see why they may try to steer players that way. You can't break up with the ME1 love interests, and the relationship is essentially on hold for the duration of ME2. Even if you didn't want to remain with the ME1 love interests, you can't decide directly either way. That's how I think they are steering. But it does not really apply to most of us.

[Jean]

fortunesque wrote...

Batteries wrote...


The people who cheated on Ash to get Tali are going to be very PO'd.
I don't think I can even begin to picture the hatred and danger on these forums if that happens.

I mean, it IS their fault, whether they're "on a break" or "on the rocks" with the old LI. Do they honestly think they can just declare everything over with the ME1 LI and go about their merry way?

Erm... that's not how real life works. And if someone in real life does that, the get major consequences.

And the people that say, "well ____ did ____ to MEEEEE" really need to cool down and take a step back.

/badmoodtoday

I'd say a lot of people bit the bait at Horizon and automatically began hating on the Virmire Survivor, more so if they were the ME1 LI. Shepard did have some lame responses, but for the most part it's easy to understand why they (Virmire Survivor) acted the way they did, even though they both have virtually the same exact dialogue. I thought the email was funny to get, but it's better than no response about it whatsoever.

Nothing wrong with cheating just to see all the content in the game without having to restart all over with ME1 and not romance anyone.