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[Jhourney]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think it's hard to say if the actual tone of the franchise has been changed. ME2 is like the Empire Strikes Back of the original Star Wars trilogy. It's tone was dramatically different than A New Hope, but it makes perfect  sense in the telling of the full trilogy. I'm back in my cautiously optimistic land of the full story will make this chapter make better sense.

Same here...hopefully we're right.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

What Angry said. *giggles and wanders off into her happy space*
Wonderful work Jho. You spoil us so still.

Thank you, actually quite proud of this one

For some reason, my eyes keep getting drawn to his pants.

Oh gosh...let me guess...you want to burn them?

No... just let them fall.... They're nice and baggy, he's not wearing a belt.... they're barely balancing on his hips....

~wipes drool~

This. So very much this. 

Sneak up behind and help them along?

[sapphyreelf]

My Shep is a biotic. She can cheat from a distance, Sia.

[fortunesque]

sapphyreelf wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Shenzi wrote...


My Shep would stay single.
 
None of the ME2 LIs appealed enough to me even to romance them with a "romance free" fresh ME2 game.

This too.

Dunno what my single dudeShep is going to do. I honestly haven't been able to work up the ambition to start another playthrough; ME2 is much less interesting than ME1. I may not even get the paramor achievement.

It's not because I'm pissed off because my favorite character didn't get into the game. They changed a lot of stuff and the overall tone of the franchise has changed so drastically that I don't feel that it's my kind of game anymore.

I think it's hard to say if the actual tone of the franchise has been changed. ME2 is like the Empire Strikes Back of the original Star Wars trilogy. It's tone was dramatically different than A New Hope, but it makes perfect  sense in the telling of the full trilogy. I'm back in my cautiously optimistic land of the full story will make this chapter make better sense.

Maybe tone wasn't the right word...

I feel that the game is geared toward a different crowd than the first game. It's not just how the made the characters act or the way things are presented; it's how the gameplay was drastically altered as well.

The impression of who I think the game's target is can be summed up in this screenshot:

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

My Shep is a biotic. She can cheat from a distance, Sia.

Oooh, good point.  ~Pulls~

[sapphyreelf]

Fort, I don't think you'll ever find a video game company that won't do some level of fan service in their games. Honestly, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. Bioware still has done a good job at trying to make their games appealing to the drooling masses as well as to those looking for something more refined.

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

My Shep is a biotic. She can cheat from a distance, Sia.

Oooh, good point.  ~Pulls~

It's a good thing we got those sekret photos to help us out here.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

My Shep is a biotic. She can cheat from a distance, Sia.

Oooh, good point.  ~Pulls~

It's a good thing we got those sekret photos to help us out here.

Well, there are supposed to be all kinds of uses for biotics.... THAT has to be one of them, right?

[Sbri]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

No... just let them fall.... They're nice and baggy, he's not wearing a belt.... they're barely balancing on his hips....

~wipes drool~

This. So very much this. 

QFT 

[sapphyreelf]

Definitely, Sia. Weren't they teaching Kaidan and the others at BAaT how to just move things like a glass of water? Pants should be cake for a pro like Shep.

[fortunesque]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Fort, I don't think you'll ever find a video game company that won't do some level of fan service in their games. Honestly, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. Bioware still has done a good job at trying to make their games appealing to the drooling masses as well as to those looking for something more refined.

The problem I have is that it feels like a gigantic swing in the direction of catering to that kind of crowd. It doesn't bother me so much as it makes me roll my eyes and go, "I thought this was different but it's turning out to be the same old stuff that everyone else does". It's not just the asstasticness of Miranda or that stuff. I'm part of the category that thinks that the game was seriously watered/dumbed down to appeal to a certain group.

Anyway, ME2 wasn't what I bargained for at all. I put it in the "meh" category.

[ekkaja.marta]

Jhosephine wrote...

Okay pic finally done...pfew.

The Sentinel.

it's beautifull, Jho Kaidan girls are so lucky to have you
now I'll just go back to lurking...

[JaerWolfe]

Shenzi wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Hmm...I was just thinking about people who chose Kaidan as an LI in the first game and got mad at him in the second, and whether there was anything he could do in the third game that would make those people want to choose him again. I doubt there are many people in this thread who are in that situation, so I thought I would put the opposite scenario out there as a topic of discussion: if Kaidan *doesn't* have a satisfying role in ME3 (small cameo, still doesn't trust Shepard, is indoctrinated by Reapers, etc...) would you go back to ME2 and choose another LI? Or go to a different LI in ME3, if one is available?

I honestly don't know what I would do in that situation. If the story is great, and the rest of the squad is well developed, but Kaidan has been mauled yet again as a character, I may stay away completely, out of bitterness. But if something did pull me in, despite my favorite character being minimalized, I guess I would just not have a LI for the third game. Maybe I'd check out what they do with Liara, but other than that, I don't see them creating another love interest I'd prefer.

My Shep would stay single.
 
None of the ME2 LIs appealed enough to me even to romance them with a "romance free" fresh ME2 game.

Shhhh...at work posting is a no-no...

I did a romance free fresh ME2 so I could get the achievement without cheating on Kaidan. I chose Thane...and giggle/snorted the whole way through. At some point they did a close up of Thane's neck and I noticed the texture of his skin was similar to the texture of his jacket which made me wonder if it was an unknown Drell funerary rite to skin a loved one and wear them and maybe he was actually wearing his dead wife.

It went down hill from there.

[fortunesque]

I don't mean to kill stuff with my general semi-distaste for ME2...







So here XD

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

I don't mean to kill stuff with my general semi-distaste for ME2...



So here XD

You didn't kill anything, but thanks for this!

[syllogi]

fortunesque wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Fort, I don't think you'll ever find a video game company that won't do some level of fan service in their games. Honestly, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. Bioware still has done a good job at trying to make their games appealing to the drooling masses as well as to those looking for something more refined.

The problem I have is that it feels like a gigantic swing in the direction of catering to that kind of crowd. It doesn't bother me so much as it makes me roll my eyes and go, "I thought this was different but it's turning out to be the same old stuff that everyone else does". It's not just the asstasticness of Miranda or that stuff. I'm part of the category that thinks that the game was seriously watered/dumbed down to appeal to a certain group.

Anyway, ME2 wasn't what I bargained for at all. I put it in the "meh" category.

Yeah, I'm a huge sci-fi nerd, and I feel like both games capture the feel very well, but there is a lot lacking for RPG fans in the second game.  I loved the recruitment and loyalty missions, but they were way too short, and N7 missions were awful.  Mining was the worst part of the game, and some how they made me miss elevators and the Mako.  I have no idea how they achieved that. 

I think they were stretching their resources too thin in ME2, by trying to be everything to everyone (except ME1 LI fans, of course).  They had too many squad mates for meaningful interaction if you aren't romancing them, they made some great, but too short missions, they filled in the rest of the game with empty shooter levels that feel out of place, and gave us the silliest end game boss ever.  So beyond love interests, I really wasn't satisfied with the end result.

What gets me is that I never intended to buy Mass Effect originally, but it ended up being one of my favorite Bioware games, with my favorite video game love interest ever.  So it's sad that the sequel just makes me want to play the original, or impatient for the third game.

[Shenzi]

Jaer!
Been laughing all day over Guy Talk 2

Are we going to get a story that takes place between "2 sentences, 6 words" and the original "Guy Talk"?  I'd love to see Kaidan trying to adjust to life with the new Normandy crew and all their idiosyncrasies.

[fortunesque]

@ Teen: I think that's a huge part of the problem. I'm a massive RPG fan and I never play shooters, except for the awesomeness that is Goldeneye 64. I don't think Fallout 3 counts too much as a shooter because it's much more rpg...



I've logged about 500 hours I think in Oblivion and another few hundred in Morrowind. My brother has tried to get me to branch into shooters (unsuccessfully; GOW's controls annoyed the hell out of me, FEAR/FEAR II didn't keep my interest- not scary IMO ). Finally he told me about ME and said that "the best game ever is $20 at Best Buy". I remember playing it in a completely dark room as I fought a severe headache because the game was that awesome.



So, in short, ME2 isn't a game I would have even thought once about getting had I not played the first game.

[JaerWolfe]

Shenzi wrote...

Jaer!
Been laughing all day over Guy Talk 2

Are we going to get a story that takes place between "2 sentences, 6 words" and the original "Guy Talk"?  I'd love to see Kaidan trying to adjust to life with the new Normandy crew and all their idiosyncrasies.

Glad everyone liked it. I was going to completely delete it, I hated it so much. Thought it was the worst thing I'd ever done and why in the world did I think anyone would think Garrus in a feathered pink boa would be funny. PMS sucks and not in a good way. Guess I will bow to others who know better than me and grudgingly admit it was okay.

I am tossing ideas for that bridge between those two stories around in my head. I've been hesitant to mess with the cannon of the story...even though we don't know and won't know what that cannon is for at least another year. But I keep coming back to Kaidan meeting Jack and Samara for the first time and asking Shepard if Joker is the one who sets the uniform standards for the Normandy crew.

[Sialater]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Jaer!
Been laughing all day over Guy Talk 2

Are we going to get a story that takes place between "2 sentences, 6 words" and the original "Guy Talk"?  I'd love to see Kaidan trying to adjust to life with the new Normandy crew and all their idiosyncrasies.

Glad everyone liked it. I was going to completely delete it, I hated it so much. Thought it was the worst thing I'd ever done and why in the world did I think anyone would think Garrus in a feathered pink boa would be funny. PMS sucks and not in a good way. Guess I will bow to others who know better than me and grudgingly admit it was okay.

I am tossing ideas for that bridge between those two stories around in my head. I've been hesitant to mess with the cannon of the story...even though we don't know and won't know what that cannon is for at least another year. But I keep coming back to Kaidan meeting Jack and Samara for the first time and asking Shepard if Joker is the one who sets the uniform standards for the Normandy crew.

This.  I HAVE GOT to hear that conversation.

[oreolover15]

Jho that new pic has me mesmerized. How could anyone not like that beautiful embodiment of manflesh? Must ... stop ... looking. Eh. I'll be staring at pixels for the next few hours, unable to look away.

[syllogi]

SOB...I can't really enjoy the new pic till I get home. From what I've seen while scrolling past it quickly, though, it looks awesome!

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Jaer!
Been laughing all day over Guy Talk 2

Are we going to get a story that takes place between "2 sentences, 6 words" and the original "Guy Talk"?  I'd love to see Kaidan trying to adjust to life with the new Normandy crew and all their idiosyncrasies.

Glad everyone liked it. I was going to completely delete it, I hated it so much. Thought it was the worst thing I'd ever done and why in the world did I think anyone would think Garrus in a feathered pink boa would be funny. PMS sucks and not in a good way. Guess I will bow to others who know better than me and grudgingly admit it was okay.

I am tossing ideas for that bridge between those two stories around in my head. I've been hesitant to mess with the cannon of the story...even though we don't know and won't know what that cannon is for at least another year. But I keep coming back to Kaidan meeting Jack and Samara for the first time and asking Shepard if Joker is the one who sets the uniform standards for the Normandy crew.

This.  I HAVE GOT to hear that conversation.

Exactly. Also imagine him findin that little black number from Kasumi's mission in Shep's closet.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Jaer!
Been laughing all day over Guy Talk 2

Are we going to get a story that takes place between "2 sentences, 6 words" and the original "Guy Talk"?  I'd love to see Kaidan trying to adjust to life with the new Normandy crew and all their idiosyncrasies.

Glad everyone liked it. I was going to completely delete it, I hated it so much. Thought it was the worst thing I'd ever done and why in the world did I think anyone would think Garrus in a feathered pink boa would be funny. PMS sucks and not in a good way. Guess I will bow to others who know better than me and grudgingly admit it was okay.

I am tossing ideas for that bridge between those two stories around in my head. I've been hesitant to mess with the cannon of the story...even though we don't know and won't know what that cannon is for at least another year. But I keep coming back to Kaidan meeting Jack and Samara for the first time and asking Shepard if Joker is the one who sets the uniform standards for the Normandy crew.

This.  I HAVE GOT to hear that conversation.

Exactly. Also imagine him findin that little black number from Kasumi's mission in Shep's closet.

Kaidan:  When... EXACTLY... did you wear this?
Shepard:  Well... I had to infiltrate a party... then capture a vampiric asari....
Kaidan:  Will you wear it again?

[JaerWolfe]

Actually, Kaidan meeting Kasumi for the first time has serious potential. If anyone on the Normandy understands what she's lost, Kaidan does.