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[BECC4]

Shavon wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

LN19 wrote...
*Sidenote* I hated that despite I was a biotic in ME and in my ME2 transfer, that I didn't have any biotic specific dialogue w/ Jack. In ME you were able to choose dialogue while talking with Kaidan about where you were trained and your implant...etc.

How do you get this dialogue?  I used to play soldier and have only recently been playing biotic, but can't find the Kaidan biotic dialogue to got with it

In order to get biotic dialogue with Kaidan, you need to be an adept.  it wont' work if you are a vanguard or sentinel.  The line comes up when you talk to Kaidan about his L2 implants.  I forget what he says specifically.

Ok I am an adept, but when do you talk anout his L2 implants?

[chem light]

Shavon wrote...

It's very early on, I think the first conversation after Eden Prime, or after the first mission. Kaidan talks about his migraines, and states something like most biotic L2s have some type of complication. (Unless he's talking about how L3's are weaker). The comment he makes in reference to Shepard being a fellow biotic is, "Except for you, Commander" He's commenting on Shepard's lack of L2 side effects, I think. I haven't played an adept in a long time.

K, hope that helps!

He's also all lie, STFU to the biotics who abduct Chairman Burns when they say Shepard doesn't really care about them.  Protecting his woman.

Yeah, I'd like to see him save Shepard.  But don't take it too far BW.  I don't want him sacrificing myself for me.  Bring back the epic feel.  Enough with "the dark side."

*grumbles.* off to work.<_<

[Lianna sFfalenn]

BECC4 wrote...

How do you get this dialogue?  I used to play soldier and have only recently been playing biotic, but can't find the Kaidan biotic dialogue to got with it

Edit: I've tried the convos people have mentioned and I can't find it!

My canon Shep is an Adept, and I've never been able to find this convo either. It seems to be on a par with the part of Ashley's conversations where you can talk about Gunny Ellison and training at the same place - in all my playthroughs I've only ever gotten that section once, and damned if I can remember how I did it. Y'know what, I have a day off today, I'm going to do some research...

*gets out the ME1 save doc*

[sapphyreelf]

Oh good, I can try and find this conversation too. My Renegade femShep is an Adept. I was sad to think I missed something with my Vanguard (cannon) but I'll just pretend that the conversation occurred between them...

[Milana_Saros]

2nd thread already? Wow you people are on fire!



Just started a new playthrough for bother ME's to play as more Renegade. Going to turn Kaidan renegade too, can't wait to see how that goes.



I might have asked this before but is his behavior in ME2 excactly the same even if you turn him Renegade?

[BECC4]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh good, I can try and find this conversation too. My Renegade femShep is an Adept. I was sad to think I missed something with my Vanguard (cannon) but I'll just pretend that the conversation occurred between them...

I wonder, I have an idea, be back when I've tried it!

Edit:  You know we laugh at Samara and Miranda's outfits buy what about Benezia?!  Her norks are practically popping out of that dress!!   I can't take my eyes off them and I don't even swing that way!

Edit:  I wondered if you had to not ask Chakwas about Kaidan's L2 implants, tried it on 1st convo directly after Eden Prime and still wasn't there, I'll need to go through citadel and Therum again to check the next convo.

Modifié par BECC4, 19 février 2010 - 12:02 .

[MICHELLE7]

TeenZombie wrote...

Ya know...the one time I'm home alone, and drinking beer, and able to post in the evening...the thread is slow. 

And Supernatural is in reruns.  :crying:

Here's a topic for discussion:  Do you want Kaidan to "save" you at any point in ME3?  Or would you prefer Shepard to be the hero at all times? 

Humor me.  Please. 

Let him save her for once...she's saved him twice now...Eden Prime and Virmire. Might even be a good way to get them back together. 

[MICHELLE7]

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

LN19 wrote...

Different topic:
Something that has been sorta mentioned that has me interested is the interaction between NPCs, I would really like to see some kind of dialogue with Kaidan and Jack in regards to their Biotics. Granted Kaidan didn't have it nearly as bad as Jack did, but he certainly didn't have it good. I just think it would be a really interesting interaction.

*Sidenote* I hated that despite I was a biotic in ME and in my ME2 transfer, that I didn't have any biotic specific dialogue w/ Jack. In ME you were able to choose dialogue while talking with Kaidan about where you were trained and your implant...etc.

Since it's a slow night, let's discuss some random things! 

All fighting for the affections of femshep aside, how do we imagine Kaidan would get along with the ME2 characters? 

I like to think he'd be quite friendly with Tali and Garrus of course, would dislike Miranda right away (but perhaps come around depending on her feelings about Cerberus) . He'd find Mordin hilarious, though perhaps find him to be a little too far on the grey side of things. Meeting Grunt would remind him of Wrex, whom he'd secrety sort of miss, and Jack...well, I don't think he'd quite know what to make of her. He'd probably try to help her get over some of her trauma, she'd try to jump his bones (standard defense mechanism) in response and he'd go running straight to Shep's quarters for safety.

Second topic is a little more light-hearted: Kaidan's hair: love it or hate it? How would you like it to be in ME3? I think it looks fine in most views in ME1 and 2, because we get a lot of frontal shots (minds out of the gutters, ladies!) so it looks like it's cut nice and short in the back. Opinions?

The Jack and Kaidan meeting is the one I want to see. No, Kaidan didn't have it as bad as Jack but we really don't know how bad he did have it. Vrynnus did break Rahna's arm over simply getting a glass of water without her biotics. I don't think we got the whole story of just how bad it was at Jump Zero and I think that he and Jack have a lot it common. I'd howl at the idea of him running to Shep for safety if Jack went after him...be a great way to put some humor into his story.

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh good, I can try and find this conversation too. My Renegade femShep is an Adept. I was sad to think I missed something with my Vanguard (cannon) but I'll just pretend that the conversation occurred between them...

I wonder, I have an idea, be back when I've tried it!

Edit:  You know we laugh at Samara and Miranda's outfits buy what about Benezia?!  Her norks are practically popping out of that dress!!   I can't take my eyes off them and I don't even swing that way!

Edit:  I wondered if you had to not ask Chakwas about Kaidan's L2 implants, tried it on 1st convo directly after Eden Prime and still wasn't there, I'll need to go through citadel and Therum again to check the next convo.

If you get the dialog let us know step by step how you did it...Tell us your dialog options because I can remember the part about him saying that his L2 implant spiked higher than the L3's except for Sheps but I don't remember anything about Shep saying where she trained or anything like that.

[MICHELLE7]

Mrs Templar wrote...

cpolisch wrote...

Hey wow. It got shut down. I guess the mods finally decide it was safe to come out of hiding. Man, how sad. But still, the response time of creating a new thread is impressive. I'll miss the old one, but we can max this one out too... and then another one. It'll be FUN!

But yeah, our OP needs to be spruced up a little bit!

Just updated the OP.  If anyone has any suggestions just let me know 

Thanks to MIchelle7 for posting all of those links.

You're welcome.

It might be my browser( sometimes I have some strange things going on with it) but the last two links aren't quick linked.

I think someone also suggested posting a Kaidan pic in the first post. 

[Jhourney]

Wow, busy morning for me so finally got a chance to see what you guys have been up to. 10 pages to read...you guys are great



On the topic of Shepard being rescued by Kaidan, that would be nice to see. Believe it or not, there are times I get tired of being so heroic all the time. So much so that at times when Shepard talks to her squadmates and say stuff like "couldn't have done it without you", I frown and go..right...I just blew through that place solo because hiding behind crates was too much for me to ask and they went down instantly.

Had Shepard actually been knocked out for once (but that's game over for some silly reason), a comment like that wouldn't have felt so fake.



Anywho, I don't really have to see some heroic rescue by Kaidan where he crashes into Shepard and protects her body with his....well....um...where was I?....ah....mmm...okay maybe I do

But a simple "smelly husk creeps up to Shepard, she's occupied and doesn't notice, smelly husk blows a fuse alerting Shepard, she turns around but has no time to react, blue glow smashes smelly husk into nearby wall, Shepard looks to the left and there's Kaidan, glowing brightly all angry looking, hot and smouldering smexyness." mmmyumyum.



So...this ME3 game..when is it coming out again?

[Estelindis]

PopDisaster wrote...
How do you think he would react to Thane? Assuming that he could meet Thane... You guys think Kaidan is a spiritual type?

If anything, I see Kaidan as keeping an open mind to all possibilities, spiritually or otherwise.  He thinks about the universe and his place in it - and about the commonalities humans share with aliens.  It certainly shows a reflective side to his personality.  So, if that's what we mean by "spiritual," then yes.  I'm not so sure if he's religious.  But he does know how to ask penetrating questions, and I think that trait is essential in anyone who wants to have a deep faith (whether Kaidan happens to have one or not).     

As for Thane, I agree with everyone who's said that Kaidan would object to the "I'm just a weapon" excuse.  I was pleased that Shepard could disagree with it immediately, actually, on the grounds that a gun doesn't have freewill.  To be honest, though, I was surprised that Thane came up with that in the first place.  For such a contemplative person, it seemed like a cop-out.  But, considering that his services as an assassin were pretty much given to the hanar in recognition of the drell people's debt, perhaps he didn't have as much freedom as we think.

PopDisaster wrote...
Or Samara! I think he could appreciate her strict moral code but I could also see him disagreeing with some of her choices according to that code. Maybe learn some new biotic moves?

Now, this is very interesting.  I would've liked it if ME1 had shown the possibility that Liara, Wrex, and Kaidan could help each other to improve their biotic skill.  (Well, I doubt Wrex would say he needed to improve anything, but even still: "anything that's not constantly challenged grows weak.")  Personally, I'd be more interested to see Kaidan's interaction with Jack, given that they both had abusive training but seem to have coped with it in very different ways.  (That said, Jack's experiences look to have been much worse than Kaidan's.)

Getting back to Samara...  The fact that Kaidan tries to understand the point of view of pretty much everyone he encounters might actually estrange him from Samara a bit, since she can be rather unmerciful (to put it mildly).  I don't think she would have felt badly about punishing Vyrnnus...  Mind you, I expect she would have been controlled enough not to have killed him unless she wanted to.  In fact, that's the one area I think she and Kaidan now share: self-control.  But she seems to be a little more at peace with that control than Kaidan.  Towards the end of the ME1 romance arc, Kaidan will admit to being a bit too wound-up: perhaps he could relax a bit more.  Samara is relaxed about the fact that she is self-controlled.  (Does that make sense?)

[sapphyreelf]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh good, I can try and find this conversation too. My Renegade femShep is an Adept. I was sad to think I missed something with my Vanguard (cannon) but I'll just pretend that the conversation occurred between them...

I wonder, I have an idea, be back when I've tried it!

Edit:  You know we laugh at Samara and Miranda's outfits buy what about Benezia?!  Her norks are practically popping out of that dress!!   I can't take my eyes off them and I don't even swing that way!

Edit:  I wondered if you had to not ask Chakwas about Kaidan's L2 implants, tried it on 1st convo directly after Eden Prime and still wasn't there, I'll need to go through citadel and Therum again to check the next convo.

If you get the dialog let us know step by step how you did it...Tell us your dialog options because I can remember the part about him saying that his L2 implant spiked higher than the L3's except for Sheps but I don't remember anything about Shep saying where she trained or anything like that.

I think I'll have my Fraps up and running the next time I play and I'll try to record the conversation too. See if I can't get it to people that way.
I may do it later today. I have a nasty migraine started (sadly not L2 related), and if it gets worse, I'll have to leave work since I can't take my meds and function (ie: drive). That'll give me plenty of Kaidan time.

[Jhourney]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think I'll have my Fraps up and running the next time I play and I'll try to record the conversation too.

See, I'm all envy for people with the PC version who can record vids from their playthrough! Okay so I like being a couch potatoe while playing ME on a full HD tv BUT I can't take screenshots or record anything and thus have nothing to tinker with or create wallpapers from etc and am totally relying on you guys to provide all the yummy stuff.
No fair, I want Kaidan/my Shepard pics!

*pouts*

[sapphyreelf]

My problem is that I don't have any photo or video editors so I can't work with them at all. However, I do at least get the pretty pictures and videos to stare at.



I have an awesome shot of my Shep looking all despondent (from ME2) as my desktop wallpaper at the moment.

[SweetiePea]

Estelindis wrote...

If anything, I see Kaidan as keeping an open mind to all possibilities, spiritually or otherwise.  He thinks about the universe and his place in it - and about the commonalities humans share with aliens.  It certainly shows a reflective side to his personality.  So, if that's what we mean by "spiritual," then yes.  I'm not so sure if he's religious.  But he does know how to ask penetrating questions, and I think that trait is essential in anyone who wants to have a deep faith (whether Kaidan happens to have one or not).

I totally agree with this.  I hope that when Kaidan is back in ME3 (And he will be back or you will feel my wrath, BioWare!! *shakes fist*) you'll get a chance to have more conversations like this.  The more I think about this aspect of his personality, the more attractive he is to me.  Self-reflective people are really good at looking at things from a variety of angles and accepting their own responsibility, so this is a huge plus in a man, IMO.  Kaidan was also obviously very open-minded and, despite his experiences with turians, he's still willing to work with aliens and to try to understand them.  While I think Legion's presence on the new Normandy would be a shock, I think Kaidan is the type would who agree with Shep and would want to try to understand more about Legion and the geth.   

As for Thane, I agree with everyone who's said that Kaidan would object to the "I'm just a weapon" excuse.  I was pleased that Shepard could disagree with it immediately, actually, on the grounds that a gun doesn't have freewill.  To be honest, though, I was surprised that Thane came up with that in the first place.  For such a contemplative person, it seemed like a cop-out.  But, considering that his services as an assassin were pretty much given to the hanar in recognition of the drell people's debt, perhaps he didn't have as much freedom as we think.

I agree with this also.  I thought that was such a rationalization, and it's nice that it helps Thane sleep at night.  My Shep wasn't buying it, and I don't think Kaidan would either.  Don't get me wrong, I liked Thane and thought he was a pretty well-done character, but this part just didn't cut it for me one bit.  I don't think Kaidan would like Thane all that much because I do think Kaidan would see this as Thane just rationalizing the bad things he's done.  After all, TIM has all kinds of rationalizations for what Cerberus has done, and Kaidan's ain't buying those either, is he?

[sapphyreelf]

SweetiePea wrote...

I agree with this also.  I thought that was such a rationalization, and it's nice that it helps Thane sleep at night.  My Shep wasn't buying it, and I don't think Kaidan would either.  Don't get me wrong, I liked Thane and thought he was a pretty well-done character, but this part just didn't cut it for me one bit.  I don't think Kaidan would like Thane all that much because I do think Kaidan would see this as Thane just rationalizing the bad things he's done.  After all, TIM has all kinds of rationalizations for what Cerberus has done, and Kaidan's ain't buying those either, is he?

I also don't think Kaidan would care to hear Thane call Shep "Siha". He says he's not a jealous man, but after two years... well... I can hope.

[Jhourney]

Should Kaidan be a squadmate in ME3 alongside those from ME2 (which I am still not sure about), it will be very interesting to see how a man like him would react to them. He's got some strong principles and even though he's open-minded, he will still operate within his own set boundaries. I would love seeing his response to Miranda and Jacob and theirs to him actually. Cerberus vs Alliance is still a nice angle.

Modifié par Jhosephine, 19 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[sapphyreelf]

I agree that the Cerberus vs Alliance would be a great angle to explore in ME3 (even if they supposedly "quit"). In ME2, I settled all the disputes so that I could maintain loyalty with everyone, but I'm not sure my Shep would be able to do that between Kaidan and anyone on the crew.

[Estelindis]

SweetiePea wrote...
I hope that when Kaidan is back in ME3 (And he will be back or you will feel my wrath, BioWare!! *shakes fist*) you'll get a chance to have more conversations like this.  The more I think about this aspect of his personality, the more attractive he is to me.  Self-reflective people are really good at looking at things from a variety of angles and accepting their own responsibility, so this is a huge plus in a man, IMO.

Well said.    I always liked that Kaidan brought a fresh perspective to the table.  While my Shep wasn't prejudiced against aliens, I think she never would have learned to become more tolerant based on an alien's crimes or mistakes.  Kaidan did.  I'm hoping he'll continue to think outside the box and share those thoughts with us in ME3.  

SweetiePea wrote...
I don't think Kaidan would like Thane all that much because I do think Kaidan would see this as Thane just rationalizing the bad things he's done.  After all, TIM has all kinds of rationalizations for what Cerberus has done, and Kaidan's ain't buying those either, is he?

Hmm, I never thought about it that way before - I mean the comparison between Thane and TIM.  Do both regard the ends as justifying the means?  If so, then yes, I think Kaidan would "disapprove."    Still, I'm not entirely sure that Thane does regard the end as justifying the means.  He is troubled.  He's not sure.  I think that, for him, the means were his duty...  And that, for most of his life, he avoided thinking about the ends.  To me, that's not so much rationalising as refusing to attempt to rationalise because one doesn't want to face the conclusions one would reach.  We kinda see this with the weak justification Thane comes up with when he does try (himself as a weapon).  On reflection, I'm not even sure Thane totally believes it himself. 

Compare that with Kaidan...  I don't know that Kaidan has actually done that many things he has cause to regret.  There's Vyrnnus, but it wasn't really his choice, and he's come to terms with it.  Stealing the SR-1 with Shepard?  Not at all - he did what he had to do.  Following Shepard's orders and going to the escape pods?  Maybe, though I imagine he's tried to tell himself that he only would've gotten himself killed too.  As a rule, I think Kaidan thinks before he acts, and if there's something he'd have a problem doing, he just doesn't do it.  Thankfully, it seems Alliance command doesn't make the same kind of demands upon him that the hanar do of Thane.

All that being said...  We don't know a great deal about the targets the hanar gave Thane.  Could he be considered part of the hanar military, in a sense?  Even if so, I'm not sure Kaidan would ever say "I was just following orders."

Food for thought!

[Estelindis]

Jhosephine wrote...



Should Kaidan be a squadmate in ME3 alongside those from ME2 (which I am still not sure about), it will be very interesting to see how a man like him would react to them. He's got some strong principles and even though he's open-minded, he will still operate within his own set boundaries. I would love seeing his response to Miranda and Jacob and theirs to him actually. Cerberus vs Alliance is still a nice angle.

Agree with this completely. I'm actually more interested in seeing their reactions to him. (Was already a bit underwhelmed by what Miranda said to him on Horizon. Bah! I'm in the process of playing and replaying that mission with various squad member combos just to see their interjections. Miranda's was *not* complimentary towards the Alliance.)

[Mrs Templar]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

cpolisch wrote...

Hey wow. It got shut down. I guess the mods finally decide it was safe to come out of hiding. Man, how sad. But still, the response time of creating a new thread is impressive. I'll miss the old one, but we can max this one out too... and then another one. It'll be FUN!

But yeah, our OP needs to be spruced up a little bit!

Just updated the OP.  If anyone has any suggestions just let me know 

Thanks to MIchelle7 for posting all of those links.

You're welcome.

It might be my browser( sometimes I have some strange things going on with it) but the last two links aren't quick linked.

I think someone also suggested posting a Kaidan pic in the first post. 

 

Just updated the OP.  Hope everyone likes, if not just let me know what suggestions you have 

[Jhourney]

Mrs Templar wrote...

Just updated the OP.  Hope everyone likes, if not just let me know what suggestions you have 

Wow starting to look good, nice job Mrs Templar  Would love to see the actual banners people made though, so others can pick the one they like and click on it to add it to their sig.

Nothing else to add really, less is more so don't really need to see picture after picture in a one long post hehe. That's just me though

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