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[Jhourney]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Speaking of doing the right thing. What if.....what if Kaidan wasn't just a cameo and you DID have the option to recruit him for the suicide mission, would you have?
I could say I would do the right thing and leave him behind to save him but I wouldn't. I would take him along and do my damnest to keep him safe.
The endgame would be so much more angsty and nerve wrecking had Kaidan been at your side. And yet totally awesome at the same time.
I can see him responding to Lilith getting smoothied and him gently supporting Chakwas as she's pulled from the pod.
Shepard diving after Kaidan, calling his name while reaching for his hand to save him like Sheploo does with Tali. (still wonder why femshep doesn't call out to the one she saves, is it romance only?)
But I would feel horribly guilty as well, knowing that RP wise, it would have been better to leave kaidan behind...argh....how torn I would have been.

Would I have recruited Kaidan? From a metagaming POV, absolutely. The ones I keep with me can A) Kick butt and are the ones I know I can keep alive.
From an RP POV...If my FemShep were to leave him behind for his own good after she'd been dead for 2 years...Kaidan would never forgive her. That relationship would be over. Obviously my FemShep didn't trust him enough to be at her back, didn't respect his combat abilities or trust that he could help her fight. It wouldn't matter that she was just trying to protect him. He isn't a child and he isn't fragile and if she couldn't respect that...obviously she doesn't respect him.

But he would be alive nonetheless. Save his life by ending the relationship or respect the relationship and his abilities and most likely get him killed. Then again two years passed, he could have moved on, you don't know if he did on Horizon where you would recruit him. Despite Shepard's feeling the relationship could have been over where he is concerned, especially since he says he lovED you.

Heh, it's not good no matter the choice you make. So perhaps I should be thankful to Bioware? Hmm.

[JaerWolfe]

Jhosephine wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

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But he would be alive nonetheless. Save his life by ending the relationship or respect the relationship and his abilities and most likely get him killed. Then again two years passed, he could have moved on, you don't know if he did on Horizon where you would recruit him. Despite Shepard's feeling the relationship could have been over where he is concerned, especially since he says he lovED you.

Heh, it's not good no matter the choice you make. So perhaps I should be thankful to Bioware? Hmm.

Very good points. Yes, must thank Bioware for taking that decision out of my hands.

RP POV: Had he been recruitable, my FemShep would have taken him with her still...but he might have gotten sent back with the crew of the Normandy while FemShep took the rest of the team on ahead.

Also, if he had moved on...my FemShep would never have let him back on the Normandy, let alone the go on the Suicide Mission. Not as a punishment, but because it would have been an emotional distraction at a time she didn't need one.

[sesheta255]

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

It also would have been too much for me and would have meant that I stopped playing the game and did a lot of swearing at bioware at that point, lol

Modifié par sesheta255, 18 avril 2010 - 09:13 .

[Jhourney]

sesheta255 wrote...

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

But again we don't know if he did or not on Horizon. Then again if they made him recruitable, one would hope the dialogue on Horizon would be improved as well.

So negative emotion is too much of a distraction but positive isn't? Would think having him with you on a suicide mission and fearing for his life would be distracting whether the relationship is still going or not. Shepard still loves him after all. Then again they are both professionals....okay need to stop my train of thought now, going bananas

[JaerWolfe]

sesheta255 wrote...

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

It also would have been too much for me and would have meant that I stopped playing the game and did a lot of swearing at bioware at that point, lol

That exactly, lol! I would have immediately stopped caring whether or not the universe could ever have been saved because from then on, I would be bitter. Very, very bitter.

[Jhourney]

JaerWolfe wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

It also would have been too much for me and would have meant that I stopped playing the game and did a lot of swearing at bioware at that point, lol

That exactly, lol! I would have immediately stopped caring whether or not the universe could ever have been saved because from then on, I would be bitter. Very, very bitter.

hehe true. It's like the choice that once came up...save the universe or save Kaidan. I do NOT want to see anything like that in ME...let's keep the doom and gloom in DA

[JaerWolfe]

Jhosephine wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

But again we don't know if he did or not on Horizon. Then again if they made him recruitable, one would hope the dialogue on Horizon would be improved as well.

So negative emotion is too much of a distraction but positive isn't? Would think having him with you on a suicide mission and fearing for his life would be distracting whether the relationship is still going or not. Shepard still loves him after all. Then again they are both professionals....okay need to stop my train of thought now, going bananas

Negative emotion closes you off. You're too busy building walls to protect yourself and basically have a hard time seeing the good in anything. Positive emotion opens up possibilities. You hope and believe in better things and search for reasons that you can succeed. Would you worry about him? Yes. More so than the others you have with you. You'd be more inclined to watch his back than any other teammates.

Also, if Kaidan and FemShep gettin' busy before Ilos didn't distract them from saving the Universe from Saren, I don't see them being distracted during ME2 by a continuing relationship as opposed to a broken one. Kind of like Alistair and PC in DAO. Camp was fun, and smooching in front of Morrighan gave life meaning, but at the end of the day, you still got the job done.

[sesheta255]

Jho I will be mega pissed if we have to make a choice. The people who liked either Kaidan or Ash have already had to go through that crap and I refuse to do it again.

[Jhourney]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

Just knowing that he had moved on would have been too much of an emotional distraction for my Shep, regardless of whether he came on the mission or not.

But again we don't know if he did or not on Horizon. Then again if they made him recruitable, one would hope the dialogue on Horizon would be improved as well.

So negative emotion is too much of a distraction but positive isn't? Would think having him with you on a suicide mission and fearing for his life would be distracting whether the relationship is still going or not. Shepard still loves him after all. Then again they are both professionals....okay need to stop my train of thought now, going bananas

Negative emotion closes you off. You're too busy building walls to protect yourself and basically have a hard time seeing the good in anything. Positive emotion opens up possibilities. You hope and believe in better things and search for reasons that you can succeed. Would you worry about him? Yes. More so than the others you have with you. You'd be more inclined to watch his back than any other teammates.

Also, if Kaidan and FemShep gettin' busy before Ilos didn't distract them from saving the Universe from Saren, I don't see them being distracted during ME2 by a continuing relationship as opposed to a broken one. Kind of like Alistair and PC in DAO. Camp was fun, and smooching in front of Morrighan gave life meaning, but at the end of the day, you still got the job done.

Good points, highlighted the smooching part because that one made me laugh...so true

[Jhourney]

sesheta255 wrote...

Jho I will be mega pissed if we have to make a choice. The people who liked either Kaidan or Ash have already had to go through that crap and I refuse to do it again.

Indeed! Here something more positive to counter the bad thoughts

[Jenova65]

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

[Jhourney]

Jenova65 wrote...

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

Lovely post

Well if ME3 delivers the happy ending, ME2's replayability value will move up for me as well. Would ME3 feel like an anti climax if you had the romance continue fully throughout ME2? Depends on how ME2 was handled because I can't see a fluffy romance in ME2 with Cerberus, Shep's death, the two years that have passed etc. Imo there would be tension, pain and hurt but that could also be too much.

Part of me will be sad when the trilogy is finished, but another part will treasure all 3 games and do marathon gaming sessions to play the complete story a whole lot. That is IF ME3 delivers

Modifié par Jhosephine, 18 avril 2010 - 09:40 .

[Nightodie]

Good Morning All, sorry I am late, my night off.  I just finished catching up and got the times I was laughing out loud at the posts.... you guys are great!!!
Happy belated Oreo!
Welcome to the thread newbies!
I was just thinking before I came to read the thread and catch up with you - about what I would do if Kaidan had joined me on the Normandy (great minds think alike I guess). 
As much as I hated the Horizon dialogue, I keep remembering the first time I played through Horizon, and okay maybe I was just really happy to see him, but I kept thinking that Shep was thinking "Boy is he really angry at me" and that is why she couldn't think of anything to say.  After that when she got the email it made sense in a small way that by then she had talked to TIM and realized that if Kaidan came with her he might die and she couldn't have that.
That said:  if he was recruitable - I wouldn't have hesitated and he would have been with me on every mission!!!

[JaerWolfe]

Jenova65 wrote...

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

I've never really doubted that BW has had an overlaying romantic arc when it comes to the ME1 LI that will be fulfilled in ME3. JE is a prime example as is KOTOR about the slow build up with the romantic lead that BW does best. I think ME2 was for the fans and I believe ME3 will be for the story once again.

Or maybe I'm just a brilliant ray of frickin' sunshine and you may now call me Pollyanna.

[sesheta255]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

I've never really doubted that BW has had an overlaying romantic arc when it comes to the ME1 LI that will be fulfilled in ME3. JE is a prime example as is KOTOR about the slow build up with the romantic lead that BW does best. I think ME2 was for the fans and I believe ME3 will be for the story once again.

Or maybe I'm just a brilliant ray of frickin' sunshine and you may now call me Pollyanna.

Hey Pollyanna
I am actually worried about ME3.  I just think that there was too much fan service in ME2 - romancable Tali, romancable Garrus, Miranda's ass, Jacks nipple strap, etc and it worries me that it will happen again in ME3.  We've already got more people wanting Joker & Kasumi romancable, and god forbid if anything bad happens to Tali.  There will be rioting in the streets, lol

As far as the ME1 LI's are concerned I really believe that bioware was expecting everyone to dump them and choose one of the more "awesome" options available in ME2.  I have very little faith in them after the interviews Casey Hudson did about how great the LI's were in ME2.

Modifié par sesheta255, 18 avril 2010 - 09:58 .

[Jenova65]

Jhosephine wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

Lovely post

Well if ME3 delivers the happy ending, ME2's replayability value will move up for me as well. Would ME3 feel like an anti climax if you had the romance continue fully throughout ME2? Depends on how ME2 was handled because I can't see a fluffy romance in ME2 with Cerberus, Shep's death, the two years that have passed etc. Imo there would be tension, pain and hurt but that could also be too much.

Part of me will be sad when the trilogy is finished, but another part will treasure all 3 games and do marathon gaming sessions to play the complete story a whole lot. That is IF ME3 delivers

Thank you 
I do think that they are looking at how you will view the trilogy and I totally agree that 3 has the potential to retroactively improve 2 and I will totally be having marathon gaming sessions of all 3, in fact DA aside I may never play another game, lol!

Modifié par Jenova65, 18 avril 2010 - 10:00 .

[Jenova65]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

 Considering (as you do) the sheer amount of speculation on this thread alone about why certain choices were made, it seems to me that it does warrant some faith in BioWare that the big picture was foremost in their minds when structuring ME2. We sit and wonder what we might have done or rather should have done to keep our ME LI interest safe and we would all pretty much risk their lives selfishly to have them around and we would WANT more than friendship, which might in turn make ME3 a bit of an anti climax  no evolution of the love story, no growth a bit of a damp squib. Thinking of those amazing moments we have all experienced courtesy of BioWare in JE when Skye takes you in his arms, it is a natural build up and a beautifully romantic moment, that kind of thing has to be done just right. I think they are building tension and anticipation for 3 in 2 and working with a story they had planned at the beginning this is a true and natural progression as far as keeping the story alive (in the same way that the Friends writers new that they couldn't mend Ross and Rachel til the very end, to leave people on a real high) 
Picture yourself when 3 is released playing through and having real human feelings for characters in a game because of they way they have written it over the past few years, then imagine the pleasure of all the replays 1 through 3 knowing there is a happy ending waiting for you......
That is how I see things anyway, in my happy little bubble.................

I've never really doubted that BW has had an overlaying romantic arc when it comes to the ME1 LI that will be fulfilled in ME3. JE is a prime example as is KOTOR about the slow build up with the romantic lead that BW does best. I think ME2 was for the fans and I believe ME3 will be for the story once again.

Or maybe I'm just a brilliant ray of frickin' sunshine and you may now call me Pollyanna.

Well you be Polly I'll be Anna then, lol  I think/hope that it will be back to the ME as a story driven not mission driven game in 3

[chem light]

Agree with Jenova, a grand happy ending at the end will greatly increase the enjoyability and replayability of the series. In other news, it's 6 am, I' haven't been to sleep, and I'm wearing a silly hat.

[HighMoon]

I'm curious, if Kaidan WAS a part of your crew in ME2 then what would his opinions of the squad members be? Here's my take on it.

- He wouldn't care for either Jacob or Miranda, seeing as they are both Cerberus operatives. Jacob I think he would especially dislike if your femshep romanced him in ME1, as he might think he was trying to steal his girl or was getting a little to close for comfort... However I can imagine him warming up to Miranda slightly (not in THAT way) out of admiration for her loyalty and mission-first policy.

- He'd get along well with Garrus and Tali of course, both of them being part of the old crew. The three would be BFF's.

- Grunt, Jack and possibly Zaeed he would view as tempremental/violent/reckless but all useful in combat situations.

- He would appreciate Samara's wisdom and calm nature (In the case of Morinth he wouldn't be able to tell the difference, just like the rest of the crew sans Kasumi)

- Thane's quiet, calm and intelligent nature would come as a bit of a surprise to him I think, as it wouldn't be the type of behaviour one would expect from an assassin. He'd warm up to him soon enough though. Realizing both his skill and intelligence.

- He'd basically think of Mordin as a hyperactive bunny rabbit... He'd trust him due to his intelligence and the fact that he plays a key part in the mission however, that of upgrading the squad and the Normandy itself.

- He'd hold an appreciation for Kasumi's cheeky+playful personality.

- I don't think he'd trust Legion at first. But that would change as he proved his combat abilities and displayed his intelligence.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 18 avril 2010 - 10:07 .

[Jenova65]

chem light wrote...

Agree with Jenova, a grand happy ending at the end will greatly increase the enjoyability and replayability of the series. In other news, it's 6 am, I' haven't been to sleep, and I'm wearing a silly hat.

Should we even ask? 

[JaerWolfe]

sesheta255 wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...
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I've never really doubted that BW has had an overlaying romantic arc when it comes to the ME1 LI that will be fulfilled in ME3. JE is a prime example as is KOTOR about the slow build up with the romantic lead that BW does best. I think ME2 was for the fans and I believe ME3 will be for the story once again.

Or maybe I'm just a brilliant ray of frickin' sunshine and you may now call me Pollyanna.

Hey Pollyanna
I am actually worried about ME3.  I just think that there was too much fan service in ME2 - romancable Tali, romancable Garrus, Miranda's ass, Jacks nipple strap, etc and it worries me that it will happen again in ME3.  We've already got more people wanting Joker & Kasumi romancable, and god forbid if anything bad happens to Tali.  There will be rioting in the streets, lol

As far as the ME1 LI's are concerned I really believe that bioware was expecting everyone to dump them and choose one of the more "awesome" options available in ME2.  I have very little faith in them after the interviews Casey Hudson did about how great the LI's were in ME2.

I would be more worried if I didn't see ME2 as filler, plot wise. They pulled Kaidan and Ash because they have a specific purpose for them in ME3. That left a lot of open room where they could put others in as LIs and if it gave them street cred with the fanboys/girls then all the better.

Of course, I'd be more happy if they didn't make Kaidan and Ash so damn interchangeable. I will never forgive the pink armor on Kaidan. I'm glad he was man enough to wear it with pride, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, lol.

[Jenova65]

JaerWolfe wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...
Snip

I've never really doubted that BW has had an overlaying romantic arc when it comes to the ME1 LI that will be fulfilled in ME3. JE is a prime example as is KOTOR about the slow build up with the romantic lead that BW does best. I think ME2 was for the fans and I believe ME3 will be for the story once again.

Or maybe I'm just a brilliant ray of frickin' sunshine and you may now call me Pollyanna.

Hey Pollyanna
I am actually worried about ME3.  I just think that there was too much fan service in ME2 - romancable Tali, romancable Garrus, Miranda's ass, Jacks nipple strap, etc and it worries me that it will happen again in ME3.  We've already got more people wanting Joker & Kasumi romancable, and god forbid if anything bad happens to Tali.  There will be rioting in the streets, lol

As far as the ME1 LI's are concerned I really believe that bioware was expecting everyone to dump them and choose one of the more "awesome" options available in ME2.  I have very little faith in them after the interviews Casey Hudson did about how great the LI's were in ME2.

I would be more worried if I didn't see ME2 as filler, plot wise. They pulled Kaidan and Ash because they have a specific purpose for them in ME3. That left a lot of open room where they could put others in as LIs and if it gave them street cred with the fanboys/girls then all the better.

Of course, I'd be more happy if they didn't make Kaidan and Ash so damn interchangeable. I will never forgive the pink armor on Kaidan. I'm glad he was man enough to wear it with pride, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, lol.

It was totally needless too, tbh, if they can factor in a different body they can factor in a different colour for that body, and why didn't they just put Kaiden/Ash in the same sort of N7 armour Shepard was wearing, that would have been even easier..... <_<

[Jhourney]

JaerWolfe wrote...

I would be more worried if I didn't see ME2 as filler, plot wise. They pulled Kaidan and Ash because they have a specific purpose for them in ME3. That left a lot of open room where they could put others in as LIs and if it gave them street cred with the fanboys/girls then all the better.

Of course, I'd be more happy if they didn't make Kaidan and Ash so damn interchangeable. I will never forgive the pink armor on Kaidan. I'm glad he was man enough to wear it with pride, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, lol.

That's one of my fears for ME3..will they seperate Ash and Kaidan again or do the copy and paste stuff? I do hope they do both of them justice and make them stand alone once again because they are so different. And Kaidan would get the short end of the stick because Ash at least is designed for the canon Shepard which is Sheploo, where as Kaidan has to be worked into whatever scene they give Ash <_<

Modifié par Jhosephine, 18 avril 2010 - 10:14 .

[sesheta255]

Now theres an idea for a resource collection mission in Me3 - find every bit of phoenix armour, booby trap it and sent it to any collectors that are still hanging around or the reapers, or any mercs that may still exist in the galaxy. Kill 2 birds with one stone. I will seriously consider committing grievous bodily harm on someone if that stupid pink armour is used on Kaidan again.

[Jhourney]

sesheta255 wrote...

Now theres an idea for a resource collection mission in Me3 - find every bit of phoenix armour, booby trap it and sent it to any collectors that are still hanging around or the reapers, or any mercs that may still exist in the galaxy. Kill 2 birds with one stone. I will seriously consider committing grievous bodily harm on someone if that stupid pink armour is used on Kaidan again.

lol my aren't you aggressive today...go get em Sesh But yeah, no more phoenix armor on Kaidan darnit!