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[Jhourney]

fortunesque wrote...

He's more mage than rogue IMO, if that's what you're going for. Though as the squadmate banter in the elevator suggests, biotic powers can fluctuate due to one's mental state. There's no telling how much stronger or possibly weaker his biotics have gotten after Shepard died.

It's debatable whether or not he could have held the bubble, but then again, I think he would have known if he could or couldn't do it. That's one thing about him; he knows his limits. I am leaning more toward the idea that he wouldn't have been able to keep the bubble going.

Yeah same here, though I can see him keep at it till his brain fries
This whole L stuff is confusing to say the least...who beats who and why..lol

[syllogi]

fortunesque wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Okay before I go to bed I was thinking...was Miranda able to hold that biotic barrier thing in the end of ME2? And if so could Kaidan do the same thing? 

she can't do it and live - oops - spoiler.  it's got to be jack or samara/morinth.

but i think kaidan would have stronger biotics. he's an L2 for a start and i think he's more disciplined than miranda.

dunno why i think that. maybe because skin-tight-sofa-pattern-jumpsuit+high heeled boots doesn't say "disciplined" to me.

Out of the human biotics, I'd say Kaidan's probably the second strongest behind Jack. His implants are some of the most powerful ones out there.

Also, he and Jack were both trained with negative reinforcement. That seems to have a bearing on how strong a human biotic turns out; perhaps this gives them a 'fight with biotics or die' kind of conditioning.

Yeah, the wiki says that L2 biotics are comparable in power to that of an asari, and there obviously has to be some sort of upside to being an L2 if Kaidan is willing to suffer migraines for it.  Plus, party members can comment on the fact that his biotics seem stronger lately in an elevator conversation...that famous Alenko self control means that he's got more power than he's usually willing to show off.

It's completely up to the writers to decide where each party member stands on the biotic power scale, but I think he'd be up there, when compared to normal human biotics.  Jack, obviously, is a special case, and I think Samara has had a long time to master her biotics...no telling if she's more powerful than any other asari.

[Jhourney]

TeenZombie wrote...

Yeah, the wiki says that L2 biotics are comparable in power to that of an asari, and there obviously has to be some sort of upside to being an L2 if Kaidan is willing to suffer migraines for it.  Plus, party members can comment on the fact that his biotics seem stronger lately in an elevator conversation...that famous Alenko self control means that he's got more power than he's usually willing to show off.

It's completely up to the writers to decide where each party member stands on the biotic power scale, but I think he'd be up there, when compared to normal human biotics.  Jack, obviously, is a special case, and I think Samara has had a long time to master her biotics...no telling if she's more powerful than any other asari.

There is quite a bit of mystery surrounding Kaidan...I like. Never really thought of it that way and the cameo with the classified files is adding to it. And to think some call him boring...tssk tssk

Okay I'm off, hopefully I still have a fanthread to come back to in the morning with all the stuff that's going on out there. 

Oh and TZ, you made me miss the elevators...or rather party banters...even more. A simple conversation can hold a lot of information it seems.

[sagefic]

no offense to kaidan, but i don't think he'd be strong enough to pull off the biotic barrier against the swarms thing.



i always felt like kaidan's biggest "power" is his adaptability. he can shoot a pistol or AR (i know he receives no training, but i feel like that's what the game implies) he can work as a medic, he can decrypt code, he can use an omnitool, rig a bomb, and use biotics. kind of like his "always leaving himself a way out" he is always picking up tools - literal and figurative - to get through the situation.

[JaerWolfe]

TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Okay before I go to bed I was thinking...was Miranda able to hold that biotic barrier thing in the end of ME2? And if so could Kaidan do the same thing? 

she can't do it and live - oops - spoiler.  it's got to be jack or samara/morinth.

but i think kaidan would have stronger biotics. he's an L2 for a start and i think he's more disciplined than miranda.

dunno why i think that. maybe because skin-tight-sofa-pattern-jumpsuit+high heeled boots doesn't say "disciplined" to me.

Out of the human biotics, I'd say Kaidan's probably the second strongest behind Jack. His implants are some of the most powerful ones out there.

Also, he and Jack were both trained with negative reinforcement. That seems to have a bearing on how strong a human biotic turns out; perhaps this gives them a 'fight with biotics or die' kind of conditioning.

Yeah, the wiki says that L2 biotics are comparable in power to that of an asari, and there obviously has to be some sort of upside to being an L2 if Kaidan is willing to suffer migraines for it.  Plus, party members can comment on the fact that his biotics seem stronger lately in an elevator conversation...that famous Alenko self control means that he's got more power than he's usually willing to show off.

It's completely up to the writers to decide where each party member stands on the biotic power scale, but I think he'd be up there, when compared to normal human biotics.  Jack, obviously, is a special case, and I think Samara has had a long time to master her biotics...no telling if she's more powerful than any other asari.

Shepard was in the bubble. Kaidan would have held it. No matter the consequences, no matter the cost.

If you're leaning toward Jack's deliberate trauma as a child as the catalyst for her strength, the same effect was reached with Vyrnnus at Brain Camp. Mental/physical torture/intimidation resulting in increased strength. Was his as prolonged or severe as Jack's? Probably not, but the emotional trauma of killing Vyrnnus caused just as much damage...possibly more since Jack was never raised to be nice and Kaidan was.

Boils down to how much of the power is mind/emotion driven vs tech. <shrug>

[Pacifien]

TeenZombie wrote...
Yeah, the wiki says that L2 biotics are comparable in power to that of an asari, and there obviously has to be some sort of upside to being an L2 if Kaidan is willing to suffer migraines for it.*snip*

I think the biotic implant procedure is pretty invasive. It's supposed to be dangerous for an L2 to even get an L3 retrofit.

JaerWolfe wrote...
If you're leaning toward Jack's deliberate trauma as a child as the catalyst for her strength, the same effect was reached with Vyrnnus at Brain Camp.*snip*

I think part of Jack's increased power is through medical devices, hence the medical marker tattoos all over her body. If it also included a breakdown of the human mind's barriers on biotic use, I think she might trump the BAaT kids somewhat on the trauma department. That's just a personal belief, assuming Jack went through more than having arms broken and whatnot.

Jhosephine wrote...
Yeah same here, though I can see him keep at it till his brain fries ../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png

There is something to be said for that. While some went into the suicide mission with the knowledge it was supposed to be a suicide mission, there's still that instinct to want to survive. So frying one's brain to keep the barrier up might have been an option, but one their own mind would have fought tooth and nail against. Kaidan might have the discipline to have gone for it, but then we'd have dead Kaidan and that's not any good.

Modifié par Pacifien, 26 mai 2010 - 08:49 .

[syllogi]

sagequeen wrote...

no offense to kaidan, but i don't think he'd be strong enough to pull off the biotic barrier against the swarms thing.

i always felt like kaidan's biggest "power" is his adaptability. he can shoot a pistol or AR (i know he receives no training, but i feel like that's what the game implies) he can work as a medic, he can decrypt code, he can use an omnitool, rig a bomb, and use biotics. kind of like his "always leaving himself a way out" he is always picking up tools - literal and figurative - to get through the situation.

Haha, I like Jaer's reasoning below your post -- that if he's protecting Shepard, he wouldn't let the bubble fail.  But my thinking is, L2s are on par with asari, and we didn't get any information telling us that Samara is more powerful than the average asari -- so theoretically, he should be able to hold it.

I think Fort talked before about how he learned his tech and medical abilities, and the idea that he was running from what he was after BAaT, and thus went out of his way to learn to be useful without leaning on biotics, seems logical.

All my speculation could just be fangirling, though.  I tend to give him more credit in my version of the game than the writers might. 

Modifié par TeenZombie, 26 mai 2010 - 08:57 .

[JaerWolfe]

Pacifien wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...
If you're leaning toward Jack's deliberate trauma as a child as the catalyst for her strength, the same effect was reached with Vyrnnus at Brain Camp.*snip*

I think part of Jack's increased power is through medical devices, hence the medical marker tattoos all over her body. If it also included a breakdown of the human mind's barriers on biotic use, I think she might trump the BAaT kids somewhat on the trauma department. That's just a personal belief, assuming Jack went through more than having arms broken and whatnot.

Agreed on the medical.
On the mental...the more I think about it, the more I think it's an unfair comparison, with full guilt that I brought it up. Jack was never raised in a nurturing environment. She was never raised thinking there was an inherent good in anyone. There were some human barriers/mores she was never taught to respect and therefore had no trouble breaking in a drugged/indoctrinated state. While she definitely has the BAaT kids beat in the physical trauma department, in most cases Kaidan and the others were taken from homes where they were loved (assumed, no proof) dumped in a strange environment (space station) with no friends, no loved ones and they were bullied by a member of an alien species who they had just been at war with. All of this creates a trauma that can have a more lasting effect than the physical. We see that in Kaidan's self control and Rahna's fear of a boy who had, until then, championed her.

So...to compare Jack's and Kaidan's mental biotic capabilities without knowing how much of the power is via tech and how much is emotion/mental driven is really unfair and I regret doing it. They're both coming from completely different places.

[Aggie Punbot]

Pardon the topic derail here for a moment but I've got a question you all may be able to help me with. While surfing www.tvtropes.org, I saw that Kaidan apparently has some sort of Take That moment against chicken hawks in the dialogue with Saracino during the Our Own Worst Enemy assignment. I've tried to hear this dialogue but I've never been able to pick the right responses, I guess. Would anyone happen to have a video (or text) of this dialogue?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 26 mai 2010 - 09:18 .

[megatron999]

which is better Kaiden or Ashley?

[fortunesque]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Pardon the topic derail here for a moment but I've got a question you all may be able to help me with. While surfing www.tvtropes.org, I saw that Kaidan apparently has some sort of Take That moment against chicken hawks in the dialogue with Saracino during the Our Own Worst Enemy assignment. I've tried to hear this dialogue but I've never been able to pick the right responses, I guess. Would anyone happen to have a video (or text) of this dialogue?

I used to have it memorized... dunno why I'm drawing a blank. I know Kaidan's lines but I can't quite remember what lines cued them:

Kaidan: It's a good theory, but these people are making it sound like a racial issue.
(If  Shepard agrees with Saracino, then he dryly remarks, "Right... Commander")

Kaidan: If you saw a kid reaching for a hot stove, wouldn't you try to stop them?
Saracino: Yes, I'd try to stop them, but I wouldn't shoot them dead.

I've searched youtube for it and there don't seem to be any videos of it unfortunately.

Modifié par fortunesque, 26 mai 2010 - 09:27 .

[Nightodie]

Better in what way?

[Aggie Punbot]

Thanks, fortunesque.

@megatron999   In what respect?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 26 mai 2010 - 09:30 .

[Pacifien]

megatron999 wrote...
which is better Kaiden or Ashley?

Ask Wrex.

[Sialater]

Pacifien wrote...

megatron999 wrote...
which is better Kaiden or Ashley?

Ask Wrex.

Wrex would just suggest they fight it out to see who was better.

[OdScIs]

Sialater wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

megatron999 wrote...
which is better Kaiden or Ashley?

Ask Wrex.

Wrex would just suggest they fight it out to see who was better.

hahahaha...very true
hi guys!

[Sialater]

Time to flee so I leave y'all with...

[Nightodie]

NN Sia

[stephee]

good morning all
waking up to see the trio is making me really miss Carth. now i really need to get KOTOR back from the person it was lent to. i get i could load up KOTOR2 for a fix but Carth in KOTOR2 is too sad ("I can't lose her, even if she wants to be lost":crying:)

anyway do we ever hear any specifics about Kaidans military career? i know what Dr Chakwas that he's received over a dozen special commendations but do we ever find out more about it?

Edit-because i held down the shift key too long:unsure:

Modifié par stephee, 26 mai 2010 - 10:14 .

[sagefic]

i only played KOTOR 1 so...



Carth and femRevan took the ship and went on a long honeymoon cruise in which they had great times and smex in every corner of the ship. that's how it ended.

and darn it, i hope it ends similarly in ME3 for shep and kaidan.

must go get dressed. evening shift calls.

Modifié par sagequeen, 26 mai 2010 - 10:21 .

[Nightodie]

Morning Steph



No specifics I think, wouldn't mind a few though.

[stephee]

sagequeen wrote...

i only played KOTOR 1 so...



Carth and femRevan took the ship and went on a long honeymoon cruise in which they had great times and smex in every corner of the ship. that's how it ended.

and darn it, i hope it ends similarly in ME3 for shep and kaidan.

must go get dressed. evening shift calls.

I'm not sure if every part of the ship would be a good idea for shep and Kaidan. I would be uncomfortable for EDI in places like the AI core for example.

[fortunesque]

Hey everyone. I just wanted to direct folks' attention to this thread in the KAAS in case folks haven't ventured outside this thread lately. I don't want to cause a panic or anything, but we need to be aware of this going on.

ALSO!!!!

If you haven't joined the KAAS, then you should! It's Kaidan's group! We have 432 members even!

Also also!!!

Am I the only one here that renegaded Kaidan? I think someone else did but I can't remember.

[stephee]

Nightodie wrote...

Morning Steph

No specifics I think, wouldn't mind a few though.

yeah it would be good.
it's strange when playing through ME1 again seeing how much your physc profile is mentioned. I don't think i noticed it as much before but since i'm playing a ruthless who is secretly ashamed of her actions at torfan, i guess the many times it's mentioned is just getting to me/her.

[sagefic]

 @ jho.

yikes. okay. understood ma'am.

appreciating kaidan in 3...2...1...




yummy. more biotics. (<--- likes biotics)