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[JaerWolfe]

Hope that post didn't scare anyone. I'll be nice. I promise. I won't bite (Insert standard Kaidan disclaimer here), and I promise to be nicer.



I like Kasumi. She's interesting and I like having my Shepard send her after people to pick pocket them. Next to Kaidan, she's probably the most emotionally stable and that's saying something since her lover just got murdered and she had to chose whether or not to keep a record of his memories.



I'm curious, Fort, do you see Kasumi as a dark and lonely character?



Tali...I have difficulty with Tali and it isn't because of the character. It's a distaste for the more...expressive fans she has that taints how I look at her. It's difficult to step back from that.



I'm curious as to how Kaidan would react to Kasumi. Or vice versa.

[legbamel]

I tend to write nasty things about Miranda because she grates on my last nerve. I avoid all possible interactions with her in my stories, just as I do Jacob because I can't take talking to him with horny-Shep. I just realized that I forgot about Kasumi. Dangit, there's at least another chapter to write!

I find it very easy to get into Kaidan's head, as well as Garrus's and Joker's. I'm bringing Jack into my story a lot more this time so I hope it'll go well. I think she's working so far. I can't wait until I get to put words in Kaidan's mouth on Horizon, though. There are a few things to fix.   As for Tali, I think of her as being very young and a Shep fangirl without being creepy about it.  She looks up to  you like a super-awesome big sister.  At least, that's what she does in my world. 

Modifié par legbamel, 27 mai 2010 - 10:11 .

[legbamel]

JaerWolfe wrote...
Hope that post didn't scare anyone. I'll be nice. I promise. I won't bite (Insert standard Kaidan disclaimer here), and I promise to be nicer.

I like Kasumi. She's interesting and I like having my Shepard send her after people to pick pocket them. Next to Kaidan, she's probably the most emotionally stable and that's saying something since her lover just got murdered and she had to chose whether or not to keep a record of his memories.

Wait, what?  You can have her pickpocket people?  How?!

I'm curious as to how Kaidan would react to Kasumi. Or vice versa.

I think Kasumi would tease Kaidan mercilessly about Shep (and probably about Horizon) but I think they'd get along well.  It might take him a bit to get past the "professional thief" background but once they fought with me a few times I'm sure he'd realize that she's got a lot more to offer the team.

[fortunesque]

I see Kasumi as a ray of sunshine/very social kind of gal that's in a dark period in her life because of her partner's death. Though her job keeps her from getting to know people, when she does find someone she trusts, she'll become a complete chatterbox. Kasumi is a well-grounded, emotionally stable woman without massive problems, despite her partner's death. That's why I have to keep her away from Faith Shepard for a while; she becomes the Butcher all over again when she finds out that she's stuck with Cerberus and cannot be with Kaidan. The dark side of Faith Shepard wants me to explore and see how deep the hole goes.



Kasumi and Kaidan would get along famously I think. They're both calm and collected people and they might have hobbies in common. In Kasumi's room, there are books and she tells Shepard that she loves to read. Similarly, Kaidan mentions that he read a lot of books when he was growing up.



They also have similar history; the death of the person they loved. A friend like Kaidan would really help her with the healing process.

[JaerWolfe]

legbamel wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...
Hope that post didn't scare anyone. I'll be nice. I promise. I won't bite (Insert standard Kaidan disclaimer here), and I promise to be nicer.

I like Kasumi. She's interesting and I like having my Shepard send her after people to pick pocket them. Next to Kaidan, she's probably the most emotionally stable and that's saying something since her lover just got murdered and she had to chose whether or not to keep a record of his memories.

Wait, what?  You can have her pickpocket people?  How?

Sorry, Legbamel, I mean in my current fic, not the game...although that would be fun, come to think of it, lol.

legbamel wrote...

I'm curious as to how Kaidan would react to Kasumi. Or vice versa.

I think Kasumi would tease Kaidan mercilessly about Shep (and probably about Horizon) but I think they'd get along well.  It might take him a bit to get past the "professional thief" background but once they fought with me a few times I'm sure he'd realize that she's got a lot more to offer the team.

I can't decide if Kasumi being a thief would bug Kaidan or not. I mean, look at who Shepard consistently recruits. By now, he's probably taking it all in stride and wondering when she'll get Blasto the Hanar Spectre on board the Normandy, lol.
As for Kasumi teasing him...that I can see. Easily. Probaby keeps a score card on how many times she can make him uncomfortable/blush in a day. Probably compares that score card with Shepard, lol. Loser buys the beer.

Okay, no magic words, lets see if quoting worked...

[Pacifien]

JaerWolfe wrote...
@Fort...I have a tendency if I don't like the character to make them very stereotypical and 2 dimensional. Then I get called on it and actually have to think 'okay, based on what you know of this person, how would they act in this situation?' I don't have to like them to know how they're going to act, if that makes sense.

I suppose one way you can work around that is to attempt to write a short story with that character away from all the other characters. For instance, writing a story about Jacob during the Eden Prime attack or when he was a corsair. When the character is your protagonist, you tend to find a reason to make them work.

[fortunesque]

I don't think he'd have a problem with Kasumi because of her job. He didn't have a problem with recruiting Wrex, a gun for hire that shot Fist when he surrendered.



Kaidan's problem is with Cerberus and everything they stand for, not necessarily the people Shepard's been recruiting.

[sapphyreelf]

@Shenzi: Next chapter is steadily growing. I'm not sure how far into it I am. I'm not to the point of the chapter yet, really. If real life would stop distracting me, I should be able to finish it up.



I don't see Kaidan being concerned over Kasumi being a thief, unless he has intel that she's stealing Alliance secrets. Then he'd have a problem with it.

[legbamel]

Ah! That makes a lot more sense. I love the idea of Kasumi and Shep hanging out, playing drinking games and talking about their men. She and my Shep get along really well, except for the whole dress thing. Maybe Kasumi can show her how to walk less linebacker-like so that she can show off for Kaidan without scaring him away.

[Collider]

I don't think that he'd protest to Shepard, but I certainly don't think he's going to like her profession, on a moral basis.

[fortunesque]

He might be opposed to her profession morally, but he certainly wouldn't say anything about it nor would he judge her for that.



I think the squadmate that he'd have the most beef with would be Jacob.

[legbamel]

sapphyreelf wrote...

@Shenzi: Next chapter is steadily growing. I'm not sure how far into it I am. I'm not to the point of the chapter yet, really. If real life would stop distracting me, I should be able to finish it up.

I don't see Kaidan being concerned over Kasumi being a thief, unless he has intel that she's stealing Alliance secrets. Then he'd have a problem with it.

Maybe it's that I know she's got the gray box with the data that may (or may not) threaten the Alliance which tells me that she or Keiji have been doing things of which Kaidan would not approve.  I see him as tolerating mercenaries because he's a man of the wor...galaxy but his mom taught him right from wrong. 

Edited to add that I don't think he'd say anything to her, either, but I think he'd be less sociable with her at first.

Modifié par legbamel, 27 mai 2010 - 10:40 .

[sapphyreelf]

I think he'd have issues with Miranda as well. Her playing Dr. Frankenstein with Shep (regardless of the fact that Shep is back) would likely not sit well with him.

[JaerWolfe]

fortunesque wrote...

He might be opposed to her profession morally, but he certainly wouldn't say anything about it nor would he judge her for that.

I think the squadmate that he'd have the most beef with would be Jacob.

This.

Jacob has essentially betrayed everything Kaidan stands for. Every accusation Kaidan tossed at Shepard on Horizon can be honestly attributed to Jacob. IMO, he sold out. Although, in my nicer moods (obviously not today, lol) I agree with Jack's assessment of him.

@Fort...I agree with your take on Kasumi, too. I'm interested in where you'll take her.

[legbamel]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I think he'd have issues with Miranda as well. Her playing Dr. Frankenstein with Shep (regardless of the fact that Shep is back) would likely not sit well with him.

I think a lot of things about Miranda would trouble Kaidan, starting with why she ran to Cerberus in the first place and how she used them to manipulate her "sister's" entire life because of choices she made rather than letting Oriana grow up and make her own decisions.  But little miss Frankenstein would definitely have to answer for the manipulations she did while she happened to be messing with my brain, especially if I had no biotic powers before I died.

[Nightodie]

Hey Pac love the avi.

I wondered about the Katsumi data... It could be a problem for the Alliance yes, but they also insinuated that it was dangerous to the person who had it. If it was in Shepard custody the Alliance wouldn't have too much trouble with that, but Katsumi having it, would they really send someone after her?

Modifié par Nightodie, 27 mai 2010 - 10:44 .

[Radahldo]

I think he'd have a problem regarding Jack accessing those files after her recruitment, with which she's essentially gonna hunt down and kill many people. I can see him judging Jack for that.

Thats an interesting thought about Jacob.
I'm not sure how strongly Kaidan would hold Jacobs defection against him.
mostly I just don't see Kaidan being incensed at someone he had no previous esteem for betraying the Alliance.

Modifié par Radahldo, 27 mai 2010 - 10:45 .

[JaerWolfe]

Radahldo wrote...

I think he'd have a problem regarding Jack accessing those files after her recruitment, with which she's essentially gonna hunt down and kill many people. I can see him judging Jack for that.

Thats an interesting thought about Jacob.
I'm not sure how strongly Kaidan would hold Jacobs defection against him.
mostly I just don't see Kaidan being incensed at someone he had no previous esteem for betraying the Alliance.

Incensed is perhaps too strong a word, but there would be no trust and Jacob would have to work harder than most to earn it.

[legbamel]

Radahldo wrote...

I think he'd have a problem regarding Jack accessing those files after her recruitment, with which she's essentially gonna hunt down and kill many people. I can see him judging Jack for that.

Thats an interesting thought about Jacob.
I'm not sure how strongly Kaidan would hold Jacobs defection against him.
mostly I just don't see Kaidan being incensed at someone he's never before met betraying the Alliance.

I think he'll look down on Jacob for bailing out of the Alliance and probably not trust him.  But I think he'd have a lot of sympathy for Jack, not so much because she's out for blood but because she's after Cerberus freaks who abused kids.

[Radahldo]

I think he'll look down on Jacob for bailing out of the Alliance and probably not trust him. But I think he'd have a lot of sympathy for Jack, not so much because she's out for blood but because she's after Cerberus freaks who abused kids.

I don't mean to imply that her initial and clear intent to kill everyone who wronged her would preclude any sympathy he may have for her; but, that it's just one of the thing that really stand out (imo) that would  strongly irk Kaidan. Thats a lot of lives to bargin just to get Jack on your side, and I just don't see Kaidan as really being comfortable with that.


Regarding Jacob,the resentment could really go both way; assuming you would recruit Kaidan at Horizon, Jacob might be feeling more validated in is defection, since he's directly fighting the collectors and saving people from them. And I could see Jacob feeling that Kaidan epitomizes (without complaint) the Alliances' roundabout way of getting done.

In any other timeline, i'm not sure of how their interactions would be since Jacobs reasons for defection aren't really validated until Horizon.
But I agree there would be many trust issues.

Modifié par Radahldo, 27 mai 2010 - 11:14 .

[JaerWolfe]

Radahldo wrote...

I think he'll look down on Jacob for bailing out of the Alliance and probably not trust him. But I think he'd have a lot of sympathy for Jack, not so much because she's out for blood but because she's after Cerberus freaks who abused kids.

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Regarding Jacob,the resentment could really go both way; assuming you would recruit Kaidan at Horizon, Jacob might be feeling more validated in is defection, since he's directly fighting the collectors and saving people from them. And I could see Jacob feeling that Kaidan epitomizes (without complaint) the Alliances' roundabout way of getting done.

In any other timeline, i'm not sure of how their interactions would be since Jacobs reasons for defection aren't really validated until Horizon.
But I agree there would be many trust issues.

Good point about the resentment going both ways and the reasons why. Very good point, I hadn't considered that, thank you.

Jacob's reasons for defecting have always seemed a bit naive to me. It's been long enough since I've actually talked to him that I don't recall all of them any more, but at the time, I thought he was being deliberately ignorant of some of Cerberus' activities.

[Lellandra]

Jaer, I did use the quote button on you a couple pages ago today. But the site was slow as hell. Also, When I go to my posts pages I have a post lost in Limbo, it doesn't say what thread is on. Really weird.

[fortunesque]

I wonder if the technical issues are from them moving the character threads around...

[JaerWolfe]

Lellandra wrote...

Jaer, I did use the quote button on you a couple pages ago today. But the site was slow as hell. Also, When I go to my posts pages I have a post lost in Limbo, it doesn't say what thread is on. Really weird.

Was that the sharp stabbing pain I felt?

I'm not sure what's up with the site, but the magic words seemed to have fixed it or else they terrified the site into doing what I want. I sometimes have that effect...there are co-workers who could give testimonials.

[Radahldo]

Jacob's reasons for defecting have always seemed a bit naive to me. It's been long enough since I've actually talked to him that I don't recall all of them any more, but at the time, I thought he was being deliberately ignorant of some of Cerberus' activities.

It's a really vague "red tape" thing.
The biggest thing I came away with was Jacob joined the Alliance for the equipment and opportunity to do "good", with the whole developing a sense of duty and respect for the Alliance being far secondary. He didnt seem to anticipate all the rules. for some reason.
He joined the Corsairs, for a shorter leash; he does not elaborate sufficiently, but somehow found it too constricting.
And then Eden prime happened. I assume with his Alliance friends dying, so did his most immediate attachment to the Alliance, so he resigned.

He's definitely ignoring a lot of what Cerberus, but the Illusive Man claims that in his talks with Jacob he's always been "honest in his lack of trust" so, paradoxically, he does often look Cerberus in the eye.
But the main thing is Jacob has never been forced to do anything distasteful, and thats enough for him for some reason. It just goes back to the beginning with Jacob joining something to be equipped and given an untrammeled opportunity to do "good", with that being all he cares about. I find it very naive and irresponsible.

He also seems to enjoy glory.

Its really the exact of opposite of Kaidan, who does not seek glory, has a strong sense of duty and doesn't feel at all trammeled by the Alliance.
I feel, Kaidans reasons for joining partly concerned wanting to make good of his biotic power, which he saw as an negative an inalienable part of himself he has a duty to make good of. So Kaidans reasons for joining were automatically more thought-out and less of a facile commitment than Jacobs, since it had a lot more to do with his identity.

Modifié par Radahldo, 27 mai 2010 - 11:55 .