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[Pacifien]

I don't believe anything about the ages from the ME2 website. Zaeed's 40. Mordin's 50. Grunt's more than a week old. I don't even buy Christina Norman's explanation it's supposed to be in relation to human ages of today, because what does that make Samara who is listed as 600?

[Lellandra]

JaerWolfe wrote...

For me, over thinking is better than a rash judgment any day, but that's opinion and I don't expect everyone to feel the same way.

For me Jacob's biggest failure on the Cerberus base was the loss of life. There should have been plans in place, security of any kind who knew how to deal with mechs. It was a failure of intelligence gathering in detecting Wilson's obvious attitude problem (there were frickin' data pads everywhere and unincrypted audio files, how hard could it be?) and it was a failure of adequate security forces. I don't care that his priority was Shepard...I find it very odd that for an organization that wants humanity to win they have no problem disposing of humans like so much used tissue. But Jacob was willing to sacrifice the many for the one. Kaidan would not justify the means to get to that end. He would have severe issues allowing Shepard to try and justify the same thing and I have only respect for someone who will raise that kind of question in a military environment.

The reaction to his father's death (I killed that jerk, too) that's part of what strikes me as his being young because I don't think it's his father's death his refusing to react to. In his mind his father has been dead for years. It's what his father did before he died that Jacob is claiming is done and he shouldn't dwell on. That offended me because there is an implication, intended or not, that his father's victims should do the same.

I don't think Kaidan's overthinking is bad either. It's good to be able to detach yourself from a situation enough to see all sides.

On the Cerberus base issue, there are several holes that I don't get either. Did Timmy completely miss something on WIlson's file? He's supposed to be the king of information. Also, if WIlson's plan was to kill Shepard, why not screw something in the beginning of the process instead of the end. Specially since he was one of the doctors working on her.

On the father issue, I think he didn't want to talk about what his father did because in his mind he has more important things to worry about.

[fortunesque]

I dunno. The ages are odd... I just go by all the human's ages being correct.



Zaeed probably looks very old because he had half his face blown off. Perhaps the reconstruction was a hack job.

[JaerWolfe]

Lellandra wrote...

On the father issue, I think he didn't want to talk about what his father did because in his mind he has more important things to worry about.

Oh, I sincerely hope Jacob doesn't have more important things to worry about than the fact that half his DNA came from a man who systematically raped, tortured and murdered people under his protection for nine years and only called for help when he got bored. I would hope that it keeps Jacob from sleeping at night for the fear that any of that came through the gene line and zapped him.

Obviously that pushes buttons for me, so I'm going to let it die. I'm for bed, anyway.

Thank you for the discussion, Lellandra. I did enjoy how it made me think about things.

[Lellandra]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Lellandra wrote...

On the father issue, I think he didn't want to talk about what his father did because in his mind he has more important things to worry about.

Oh, I sincerely hope Jacob doesn't have more important things to worry about than the fact that half his DNA came from a man who systematically raped, tortured and murdered people under his protection for nine years and only called for help when he got bored. I would hope that it keeps Jacob from sleeping at night for the fear that any of that came through the gene line and zapped him.

Obviously that pushes buttons for me, so I'm going to let it die. I'm for bed, anyway.

Thank you for the discussion, Lellandra. I did enjoy how it made me think about things.

Well, it's hard to be blamed and carry the sins of the father.


Nighty night! I love discussions when they are civilized and get you to see different sides.

[Elessara]

Jaer, I suppose it would all come down to nature vs. nurture. Was it Ronald Taylor's DNA that caused him to do what he did or simply a weak moral makeup? If you subscribe to the nature theory then yeah I would lay awake at night wonder omg am I going to turn into a monster? If you think it's the nurture then, well Jacob's father really didn't have much to do with his son. He wasn't around much when Jacob was a child, he was missing for 10 years and Jacob hadn't even talked to him for 3 years before that. He's really disassociated with his father so why would he obsess over what his father did?

Speaking of DNA ... I know all asari have biotics so it's obviously genetic for them. But humans (and I think the other races) didn't develop biotics naturally. For humans at least it's exposure to element zero in the womb. Does that cause a change in the child's actual DNA or is it more along the lines of simply a physical change - like some of the children exposed to element zero got cancer instead of developing biotics.

And this is totally on topic ... cause Kaidan is a biotic *shiftyeyes*

[Lellandra]

Elessara wrote...

Jaer, I suppose it would all come down to nature vs. nurture. Was it Ronald Taylor's DNA that caused him to do what he did or simply a weak moral makeup? If you subscribe to the nature theory then yeah I would lay awake at night wonder omg am I going to turn into a monster? If you think it's the nurture then, well Jacob's father really didn't have much to do with his son. He wasn't around much when Jacob was a child, he was missing for 10 years and Jacob hadn't even talked to him for 3 years before that. He's really disassociated with his father so why would he obsess over what his father did?
Speaking of DNA ... I know all asari have biotics so it's obviously genetic for them. But humans (and I think the other races) didn't develop biotics naturally. For humans at least it's exposure to element zero in the womb. Does that cause a change in the child's actual DNA or is it more along the lines of simply a physical change - like some of the children exposed to element zero got cancer instead of developing biotics.
And this is totally on topic ... cause Kaidan is a biotic *shiftyeyes*

Exactly!!   Completely on topic here!  hehe

I forgot to add on my previous post that Kaidan is awesome!

I'm sorry if I completely hijacked the last page and went off topic. It wont happen again!  

[Radahldo]

I really don't think he was commenting on the victim; I don't think the game, in-general, would try to seriously tackle the issue of rape and victim-blaming. I think thats why Jacks mention of rape comes in context where you can't respond to her, so nothing un-empathic could be said.
It seems it's just a neutral comment on "how you feel about what happened (in regards to your father)"; I'm not sure if what Jacob says even changes depending on whether his father killed himself or not.
I think it's an overly neutral conversation (in regards to choices in the loyalty mission) that offers little insight into how Jacob perceived the rape-aspects, nor do I feel the writers allowed you to single out Jacobs father for it.  

Modifié par Radahldo, 28 mai 2010 - 04:54 .

[Pacifien]

Zaeed could be 40, but it doesn't make sense for him to be 40 given his history. But that's what the developers get for making him a founder of the Blue Suns. Still, he reminds me of the late 50s/early 60s war vets that I know.

Some ages seem to be easier to pin down because there's an actual timeline of events, such as we have for Kaidan... Actually, I think Shepard and him are the only two humans whose ages can be pinned down definitively from sources other than the ME2 website. But I think Jacob's, Kasumi's, and Miranda's ages are generally around the same ages given on the website. I might have pegged Jacob as a couple years younger. Kasumi as a couple years older.

Mordin is definitely not 50. I think that was the main one Christina Norman even commented on, saying he was 35. Late 30s maybe. Samara is listed at 600, but she says she's lived nearly a thousand years. I'd say if I went really liberally with the asari concept of time, the youngest I'd put her is 750 years.

[Collider]

I believe I read that Mordin was 30. He also does speak of his "last decade." While that doesn't prove he's 30, he should be in his early 30s if he said that.

[Pacifien]

According to the Codex, biotics are the result of element zero nodules developing along the nervous system. So there's definitely a physical change, but unknown if there's a change with the DNA.



Asari are the only known species to develop such nodules naturally and also have natural control over using biotics. According to the Cerberus Daily News, there's another biotic-capable species that has developed on Thessia... no wait, it doesn't actually say the manal is a Thessian species. Well, dammit, that throws my whole theory on evolutionary development on Thessia driven by increased element zero in the environment and how this leads to a gradual decrease in asari affinity for biotics as they spread to colony worlds.



I have forgotten where I was going with this. Something about human biotics still being tied to in utero element zero exposure still. Kaidan being from the first group to be exposed, he's sure to have contemporaries who have had children, and if those children had exhibited any biotic potential, we'd have heard about it. So not DNA. I'm sure the Illusive Man is working to correct that.

[Nightodie]

Let's hope ME3 starts right after ME2 (with lots of Kaidan (& other LIs too) goodness) and we can have the age discussion again then!

[Jenova65]

TeenZombie wrote...

Here you go, a non-romanced Kaidan meeting:

Still playing catch up from yesterday (was very busy) That non romantic scene made me sad in my heart  I mean thanks for posting the link I never would have seen it otherwise but still.....
When I open my pages I always end up on the KAST automatically so didn't know we'd moved until you all mentioned it  
I can't see them locking us anyway tbh, we do say 'Morning', etc. to each other and we do talk fluff and go ever so slightly OT but I seem to recall that it is acceptable to a degree, they understand we are going  to bond and so on. But the thing about the KAST is that Kaidan is always there, we never ever veer too far away from him (cos we can't bear to ) And we always get right back on topic with pictures, fics and discussion. It is a very on topic thread imo 
And we don't allow trolling to rile us, we do what we are supposed to do with them - report, ignore, move on (we're mature, we are )
Anyway, morning anyone who is around (I am not really here, I am in the past on page 1467 but will be here soon...lol) 
I am wondering, in ME2 all the team mates wear their own clothes on the Normandy as they do on missions, now I didn't like this, I preferred ME's system of armour on the missions and casual wear on the ship it felt way more believable that Alliance staff would be wearing Alliance issue outfits on board and characters like Liara wearing typical Asari culture influenced outfit. So my question for today is - If ME2 rather than ME's clothing system follows through
A) Does that mean we will never see Kaidan out of armour? or
Will he be given his own style like for example Thane's?
C) Will it depend on whether we are considered to be acting independently of both the Alliance and Cerberus? 
D) Does this mean that Ashley will also always be in 'heavy', armour (bummer for her fans) and will Liara be going into battle in what amounts to a frock?  (dress)
Too many questions?  
See you when I have caught up!

[Nightodie]

Morning Jen. I am hoping we go more towards ME clothing options. I certainly wouldn't mind being able to personalize Kaidan's armor

[Darazelly]

Morning.



I'm not sure really. I'd love to see a return for casual clothing and more fit for battle armor for squad mates (With or without stats, or like we have for Shepard in ME2, though I doubt it'd happen). .

I hope Kaidan at least won't be standing around in armor the whole time, no matter how cool it looks. If we'd assume that we are going to have Kaidan/Ash as some kind of Alliance liason in ME3, then I could see them still using their casual Alliance uniform.

[Jhourney]

@Jen I think Kaidan's armor will remain the same, maybe with some tweaks. And he'll wear casual wear on the SR-2 (and let's hope it stays the SR-2 and not 3 lol), just like Shepard. I mean while Garrus wears his armor on the ship, for the more casual romance scene he was wearing clothes right? And besides Tali who has no choice, Shepard and Garrus are basically the only armored characters. The rest of the squad are just wearing clothes, latex or not.
So I'm going to assume Kaidan will be like Shepard, full armor on missions, casual wear on the ship. I do hope it will be like that and they won't force him into some latex costume

[stephee]

Kaidan and latex.....that's a horrifying thought, need brain bleach now

[Jenova65]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Hope that post didn't scare anyone. I'll be nice. I promise. I won't bite (Insert standard Kaidan disclaimer here), and I promise to be nicer.

I like Kasumi. She's interesting and I like having my Shepard send her after people to pick pocket them. Next to Kaidan, she's probably the most emotionally stable and that's saying something since her lover just got murdered and she had to chose whether or not to keep a record of his memories.

I'm curious, Fort, do you see Kasumi as a dark and lonely character?

Tali...I have difficulty with Tali and it isn't because of the character. It's a distaste for the more...expressive fans she has that taints how I look at her. It's difficult to step back from that.

I'm curious as to how Kaidan would react to Kasumi. Or vice versa.

I really like Kasumi too, I agree she seems very centred and chilled out. She is also a very useful team mate, imo. She is easily on of my faves character's out of both games not just ME2.
I totally agree with you on Tali for me she is 'OK', certainly nothing  to write home about but the vociferous way they discuss and defend is a bit......................... much(?) Yeah, that's it. It's a bit much! It is too over the top, if she were real all this ''Loveable geek'', stuff wouldn't wash, they'd all be ogling Miranda - fact  But yeah, as a character she is OK I don't mind her, her hardcore fans are ruining her for people who just like her (which seems counter productive to me <_<)
Kaidan's better anyway (still not caught up, been real busy..... )

[Nightodie]

I like Katsumi's personality and I am really curious about the consequences of keeping / destroying her data.

I read somewhere, can't remember where, that if your faithful the LI will actively pursue Shepard.  Yes I am hoping for that senerio in the first two minutes ....PLEASE!!!!

[stephee]

Nightodie wrote...

I like Katsumi's personality and I am really curious about the consequences of keeping / destroying her data.
I read somewhere, can't remember where, that if your faithful the LI will actively pursue Shepard.  Yes I am hoping for that senerio in the first two minutes ....PLEASE!!!!

when i read this my brain just went

Kaidan: were you faithful?

shep: Totally

*20 min passionate kiss followed by cabin time:O*

on a serious note though, how do you think Kaidan will react to seeing the familiar faces on the sr2 normandy?

[Nightodie]

I kind of like the fic where Garrus punched him.



"I made you bleed, I'm good" or something to that effect. (sorry, I'm old and can't remember who belongs to that, but I am sure someone here knows)

[stephee]

i think that may have been jaer's, i can't remember either though

[sapphyreelf]

It was Jaer's ASW that had Garrus punching Kaidan.

I'm hoping for some suitable tension between the SR1 crew that did join up with you in ME2 and any returning SR1 crew/squaddies in ME3. Nothing necessarily violent, but snarky quips.

[stephee]

yeah fair enough saph, i think i could see there being a little tension there.

do you think we could get adams back for ME3? think tali would be over the moon about that. it would be interesting to see adams working with ken and gabby.

as for Kaidan and the old sr1 crew, i could see there being underlying tension with Joker. however it would most likely be hidden under jokes and quips.

[sapphyreelf]

Also, if anyone missed it, Sia updated Paragon of Virtue last night.