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[Joisan]

Sialater wrote...

Joisan wrote...

Meh, Sesh, EA has already Turian Councilored the rumors of ME3 being at E3. I think the best we can hope for is some new DLC info since Overlord comes out Tuesday.

LMAO, is that a new meme, now?

It already is, I'm just giving it a new name

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Joisan wrote...

My ideal scenario for cheaters: either you only get the ME2 LI or you get neither. Or failing that (and this is what I think the most likely scenario is) you have to choose which you want to keep and you'll have to work a little harder to regain their trust.  No fighting over Shepard allowed; I'm sure most all of our Shepards would not appreciate that.

That seems reasonable.  I would HATE some ego-stroking cat fight over Shepard, I'm not interested in turning my character into even more of a Mary-Sue than the game already makes her.  There's nothing wrong with moving on and having a new love interest, but "punishing" the old one is not something I'd want to see. 

I just want the Virmire Survivor and Liara to have great roles in ME3, after the treatment they got in the second game.  The devs said there was a good reason for holding them back, so I'd like to see our patience rewarded.

This.  I agree.

[legbamel]

sagequeen wrote...

i guess i'm evil then. i just had this really...dramatic scenario in my head. *cackles* okay, it was dramatic and evil. not as evil as demon babies, which is now synonymous in my mind with the truly evil- as in fruits of the devil - evil that devs can get to.

okay, ditched the movie was watching with the hubby to come and tweak the fic. couldn't stay away from the last lines of the last chapter....

should probably go and make dinner.

Off-topic: Sage, is that a So I Married an Axe Murderer reference?  Nobody gets my snippets from that movie.  "My sides, my sides.  Aidez moi!"    If it wasn't, then please ignore. 

On-topic: I don't want the LIs to confront each other, as I don't see Kaidan, Thane, or Garrus to be the sort to do that.  But I do think they would confront Shepard and make her choose.

[FireEye]

sagequeen wrote...

my secret hope is that the consequence of "cheating" on your me1 LI is that you have a virmire-ish decision between the me1 LI and the me2 LI. that would just be too agonizing for words - and TOTAL vindication for those who stayed true. this is my wish.

... this could be awesome.  Absolutely cruel and terrible, but awesome.

Then again, I have a love/hate thing for Virmire to begin with.  Hate losing Ashley or Kaidan, since I love them both, but honestly enjoy the dramatic effect and wouldn't want to substitute any other characters for it.

I considered that they might have planned to ditch Mordin and Thane between games (since Mordin is old and Thane is sick) for Liara and Kaidan/Ashley, but... *shrug*  We'll see when ME3 is released, I guess.

[sagefic]

a bunch of "ats"



@ fire eye - i'm glad you second my evil inclination there.

@ leg - that was totally a so i married an axe murderer reference, thank you *bows*

@ sia - eh, meg's gone through enough. i don't wish evil on her. i just had this idea of some impossible situation where the rejected LI would sacrifice him/herself to save the others UNLESS shep had enough influence (i.e., had chosen them) so they would not go

@...someone... teen? i fear that many fans DO want to see a LI showdown. i think i saw a comic on it re: garrus vs. kaidan - with the implication that kaidan was about to get his butt kicked. ridiculous! i say

[syllogi]

FireEye wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

my secret hope is that the consequence of "cheating" on your me1 LI is that you have a virmire-ish decision between the me1 LI and the me2 LI. that would just be too agonizing for words - and TOTAL vindication for those who stayed true. this is my wish.

... this could be awesome.  Absolutely cruel and terrible, but awesome.

Then again, I have a love/hate thing for Virmire to begin with.  Hate losing Ashley or Kaidan, since I love them both, but honestly enjoy the dramatic effect and wouldn't want to substitute any other characters for it.

I considered that they might have planned to ditch Mordin and Thane between games (since Mordin is old and Thane is sick) for Liara and Kaidan/Ashley, but... *shrug*  We'll see when ME3 is released, I guess.

While I admire the idea of Virmire, it really sucks for me to sacrifice Ashley every single time.  I feel like I'm violating the sister code or something.  But there's no way I could let Kaidan go, either.  So it's a very effective device, in my case.  And I totally and bitterly resent that it is so easy to save the entire squad in ME2.  I have a "gonna kill some party members" game, and I can't finish it, because even killing characters I don't like goes against my nature.  

Forcing us to sacrifice even one character out of twelve in ME2 would have made the suicide mission have more impact. 

[NICKjnp]

Garrus and Kaidan wouldn't get into a fight... they respect each other too much (maybe Jacob and Kaidan but no Garrus and Kaidan).

[Sialater]

sagequeen wrote...

@ sia - eh, meg's gone through enough. i don't wish evil on her. i just had this idea of some impossible situation where the rejected LI would sacrifice him/herself to save the others UNLESS shep had enough influence (i.e., had chosen them) so they would not go
@...someone... teen? i fear that many fans DO want to see a LI showdown. i think i saw a comic on it re: garrus vs. kaidan - with the implication that kaidan was about to get his butt kicked. ridiculous! i say

Meg has had enough bad things.  I've always wondered if she'd want to keep fighting after ME3 (assuming Shepard's allowed to survive), and today, I discovered she wants to retire.  With which ever LI she ends up with.

The Garrus Thread had a similar discussion yesterday.  Even most of them have decided they don't want the showdown.

[Ecael]

TeenZombie wrote...

Joisan wrote...

My ideal scenario for cheaters: either you only get the ME2 LI or you get neither. Or failing that (and this is what I think the most likely scenario is) you have to choose which you want to keep and you'll have to work a little harder to regain their trust.  No fighting over Shepard allowed; I'm sure most all of our Shepards would not appreciate that.

That seems reasonable.  I would HATE some ego-stroking cat fight over Shepard, I'm not interested in turning my character into even more of a Mary-Sue than the game already makes her.  There's nothing wrong with moving on and having a new love interest, but "punishing" the old one is not something I'd want to see. 

I just want the Virmire Survivor and Liara to have great roles in ME3, after the treatment they got in the second game.  The devs said there was a good reason for holding them back, so I'd like to see our patience rewarded.

I agree. Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Wrex should also get their own squadmate loyalty missions (Ashley/Kaidan would be the same mission, but slightly different - making it 3 'loyalty' missions only).

If you cheated on them (or killed Wrex), you're forced to choose between the two at the beginning of ME3 - and if you choose against Ashley/Kaidan/Liara, you permanently lose a whole mission from that save file as well as their loyalty and dialogue. If you choose the other, you permanently lose that ME2 squadmate's loyalty and dialogue. Since loyalty carries over from ME2 and it is required to romance them, it makes sense that loyalty goes beyond just helping people out with personal favors - it is also a reward (or a penalty) for the Shepards who remained loyal or unloyal in their relationship.

Or something like that. Still, you get to keep both squadmates, but you won't benefit from both of them in the final battle against the Reapers if you were unfaithful.

Modifié par Ecael, 13 juin 2010 - 01:59 .

[NICKjnp]

Ecael wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Joisan wrote...

My ideal scenario for cheaters: either you only get the ME2 LI or you get neither. Or failing that (and this is what I think the most likely scenario is) you have to choose which you want to keep and you'll have to work a little harder to regain their trust.  No fighting over Shepard allowed; I'm sure most all of our Shepards would not appreciate that.

That seems reasonable.  I would HATE some ego-stroking cat fight over Shepard, I'm not interested in turning my character into even more of a Mary-Sue than the game already makes her.  There's nothing wrong with moving on and having a new love interest, but "punishing" the old one is not something I'd want to see. 

I just want the Virmire Survivor and Liara to have great roles in ME3, after the treatment they got in the second game.  The devs said there was a good reason for holding them back, so I'd like to see our patience rewarded.

I agree. Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Wrex should also get their own squadmate loyalty missions (Ashley/Kaidan would be the same mission, but slightly different - making it 3 'loyalty' missions only).

If you cheated on them (or killed Wrex), you're forced to choose between the two at the beginning of ME3 - and if you choose against Ashley/Kaidan/Liara, you permanently lose a whole mission from that save file as well as their loyalty and dialogue. If you choose the other, you permanently lose that ME2 squadmate's loyalty and dialogue. Since loyalty carries over from ME2 and it is required to romance them, it makes sense that loyalty goes beyond just helping people out with personal favors - it is also a reward (or a penalty) for the Shepards who remained loyal or unloyal in their relationship.

Or something like that. Still, you get to keep both squadmates, but you won't benefit from both of them in the final battle against the Reapers if you were unfaithful.

If you didn't cheat?

[Ecael]

NICKjnp wrote...

Ecael wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Joisan wrote...

My ideal scenario for cheaters: either you only get the ME2 LI or you get neither. Or failing that (and this is what I think the most likely scenario is) you have to choose which you want to keep and you'll have to work a little harder to regain their trust.  No fighting over Shepard allowed; I'm sure most all of our Shepards would not appreciate that.

That seems reasonable.  I would HATE some ego-stroking cat fight over Shepard, I'm not interested in turning my character into even more of a Mary-Sue than the game already makes her.  There's nothing wrong with moving on and having a new love interest, but "punishing" the old one is not something I'd want to see. 

I just want the Virmire Survivor and Liara to have great roles in ME3, after the treatment they got in the second game.  The devs said there was a good reason for holding them back, so I'd like to see our patience rewarded.

I agree. Ashley/Kaidan, Liara and Wrex should also get their own squadmate loyalty missions (Ashley/Kaidan would be the same mission, but slightly different - making it 3 'loyalty' missions only).

If you cheated on them (or killed Wrex), you're forced to choose between the two at the beginning of ME3 - and if you choose against Ashley/Kaidan/Liara, you permanently lose a whole mission from that save file as well as their loyalty and dialogue. If you choose the other, you permanently lose that ME2 squadmate's loyalty and dialogue. Since loyalty carries over from ME2 and it is required to romance them, it makes sense that loyalty goes beyond just helping people out with personal favors - it is also a reward (or a penalty) for the Shepards who remained loyal or unloyal in their relationship.

Or something like that. Still, you get to keep both squadmates, but you won't benefit from both of them in the final battle against the Reapers if you were unfaithful.

If you didn't cheat?

You get their loyalty automatically, but the 'loyalty' mission is still available.

If you didn't romance them, you need to do the loyalty mission in order to get their loyalty.

[sagefic]

Ecael wrote...

*snip*
If you cheated on them (or killed Wrex), you're forced to choose between the two at the beginning of ME3 - and if you choose against Ashley/Kaidan/Liara, you permanently lose a whole mission from that save file as well as their loyalty and dialogue. If you choose the other, you permanently lose that ME2 squadmate's loyalty and dialogue. Since loyalty carries over from ME2 and it is required to romance them, it makes sense that loyalty goes beyond just helping people out with personal favors - it is also a reward (or a penalty) for the Shepards who remained loyal or unloyal in their relationship.

Or something like that. Still, you get to keep both squadmates, but you won't benefit from both of them in the final battle against the Reapers if you were unfaithful.

okay, see, this makes sense. this is sort of what i was thinking. like, you have a mission at some point, and whichever LI is loyal (i.e., the one you chose) then that one would have loyalty-armor for a mission and make it through. the other would not.

eh...that does sound evil. but...dramatic. 

[Joisan]

I actually wouldn't mind that scenario. Kai-Kai would have the loyalty armor in my playthrough, of course. You know, I think using the paramour achievement in ME2 to track faithfulness is misleading on Bioware's part because you can get it with a Shep that had no ME1 romance, which is what I did.

[siriusrambles]

i wish you'd get a faithful achievement based on how many times you read kaidan's email or stared at his photo.

[sagefic]

@ jo: wha...? seriously? so my renegade john-shep-dork-romanced-miranda-cause-he's-a-horn-dog is going to interfere with my femshep import? that's crazy. is that true?



@ sirius: no joke.

[Joisan]

@Sage No, I don't think it'll interfere. But I believe Bioware said something like they were using the paramour achievement as an indicator of the proportion of players who remained faithful vs. cheating and that's just absurd.

[Sialater]

That would be really dumb. They have to know many players have more than one Shep.

[Joisan]

Well, thank you It's always nice to have new people voice their support for Kaidan. Feel free to stop by anytime.

[sagefic]

@ pma - thanks.



@ jo - i see. well, to judge by the paramour makes no sense for the reasons sia said.



and inexplicably my quote function is broken.



i am sitting here looking through wikipedia articles about valkyrie completely unable to come up with a title for the 3rd story. have a chapter to post, but no title.



sigh

[Sialater]

sagequeen wrote...

@ pma - thanks.

@ jo - i see. well, to judge by the paramour makes no sense for the reasons sia said.

and inexplicably my quote function is broken.

i am sitting here looking through wikipedia articles about valkyrie completely unable to come up with a title for the 3rd story. have a chapter to post, but no title.

sigh

Valhalla.

When you do ME3:  Ragnarok.

Modifié par Sialater, 13 juin 2010 - 03:25 .

[sagefic]

@ sia: i'd quote you, but it's broken.



that's hilarious. i was thinking the SAME THING. but then i was like...naw...that'll sound pompous

[sagefic]

@ sia again:



you know what though? i like it. i do. thanks.

[Sialater]

Hey, us Vikings need to stick together.



ETA:  And still the furniture assembly continues.... IKEA's stuff is great, and my husband is awesome for putting it all together tonight.  But holy hannah!


I need a trio.

Modifié par Sialater, 13 juin 2010 - 03:44 .

[Joisan]

Thanks, Sia. Inspiration for Ch. 3 of Truth and Lies... which is getting close to finished, but not until tomorrow probably.