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[Jean]

[fortunesque]

Pupsywupsyface

[syllogi]

fortunesque wrote...

Pupsywupsyface

He needs to have that expression on his face when he's apologizing for Horizon.  No one would be able to resist.

[UrbanPhoenix]

For Nightodie! A Fic Update Drop.



Suave Remnants: Chapter 5

[fortunesque]

I was worried about you working for Cerberus, that's why I got upset. I'm so sorry Shepurrrrrddddd.

[UrbanPhoenix]

@fortunesque - Lol!



I mean I'm not going to fault Kaidan for Horizon, but if he knew rumors, you'd think he'd pull some strings and try to get i verified and look into it better.

[fortunesque]

He might have been on Horizon since Shepard came back. So, it's my guess that he got what little info he could while essentially out of communications.



Besides, it sounds like the Council and Anderson intentionally kept Kaidan from knowing about Shepard, knowing that he'd maybe attempt to establish contact.

[sagefic]

fortunesque wrote...

He might have been on Horizon since Shepard came back. So, it's my guess that he got what little info he could while essentially out of communications.

Besides, it sounds like the Council and Anderson intentionally kept Kaidan from knowing about Shepard, knowing that he'd maybe attempt to establish contact.

this. i think that makes sense.

honestly, i really hope me3 clears up what anderson did and didn't know. i really would hate for them to pull a jade-empire/kotor stunt (your wise advisor was punking you all along) but i really am beginning not to trust the alliance here

Modifié par sagequeen, 17 juin 2010 - 02:32 .

[fortunesque]

Well, Anderson didn't trust Shepard in ME2 and that's why he didn't tell Shepard stuff.



But I'd be pissed if the Alliance turned out to be evil in ME3 and that Cerberus became the 'good guys' again.

[Sialater]

sagequeen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

He might have been on Horizon since Shepard came back. So, it's my guess that he got what little info he could while essentially out of communications.

Besides, it sounds like the Council and Anderson intentionally kept Kaidan from knowing about Shepard, knowing that he'd maybe attempt to establish contact.

this. i think that makes sense.

honestly, i really hope me3 clears up what anderson did and didn't know. i really would hate for them to pull a jade-empire/kotor stunt (your wise advisor was punking you all along) but i really am beginning not to trust the alliance here

The fact that Cerberus may still be a black ops branch of the Alliance also lends credence to this.

[sagefic]

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

He might have been on Horizon since Shepard came back. So, it's my guess that he got what little info he could while essentially out of communications.

Besides, it sounds like the Council and Anderson intentionally kept Kaidan from knowing about Shepard, knowing that he'd maybe attempt to establish contact.

this. i think that makes sense.

honestly, i really hope me3 clears up what anderson did and didn't know. i really would hate for them to pull a jade-empire/kotor stunt (your wise advisor was punking you all along) but i really am beginning not to trust the alliance here

The fact that Cerberus may still be a black ops branch of the Alliance also lends credence to this.

and kasumi dlc. there's something bad afoot there.  but i, too would be kind of sad if cerberus is the "good" guys. it's not that i like everything to be black and white. i just like consistency. and trying to make the alliance bad and cerberus good is too simple. and lame.

anyhoo, it's funny you brought it up, fort, because in writing i am trying desperately to think out what i think kaidan knew/anderson told him, etc. me2 was VERY fuzzy on those details. <_<

[UrbanPhoenix]

@sagequeen @sialater @ fortunesque - That would be twisted. But what will probably end up happening is Shepard will have to make a choice. Something that will destroy either branch.



I mean I have a feeling she will have to only trust those people who are on her crew.



Another theory I have if Illusive Man and Anderson knew each other personally. Which would be like a total backstab to Shepard.

[Sialater]

Good night!

[Jean]

TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Pupsywupsyface

He needs to have that expression on his face when he's apologizing for Horizon.  No one would be able to resist.

I don't know, that face looks just like the one I have on when I am not amused with whatever somebody is talk to me about.

[Nightodie]

UrbanPhoenix wrote...

For Nightodie! A Fic Update Drop.

Suave Remnants: Chapter 5

Thank you, thank you, thank you....*scurries off to read*

[fortunesque]

IMO, Cerberus are similar to the Nasis (they censor this word here...). From what TIM says about humanity and the base, it's clear that he wants to ensure humans as a racially superior and dominant force in the galaxy. The aliens would then become subverted and treated as lesser beings. Their "whatever it takes even if it's unethical" approach is also consistent with Nasi leanings.





If one puts it in this context, it's very easy to see how someone that's been in the Alliance for a long time would freak out. But a lot of the time, I see people blaming the Virmire survivor for not blindly trusting and following Shepard in working with this group.



Personally, I think it speaks to their character that they won't do it. It also seems apparent that they're working with the Council and Anderson on the attacks on human Colonies and may be searching for proof of the reapers.



But yeah, I hate Cerberus and I don't want to work with them again. If Shepard is forced to work for them again in ME3 I'll be an unhappy me.

[Nightodie]

Night Sia.

[Jean]

Well all in all I don't trust either groups as a whole fully. Cerberus for much more up in your face reasons.

It's already been proven the Alliance are into some serious biz stuff in the Kasumi DLC (Wasn't there a Reaper or a Reaper lookalike in the holos?)

I would prefer utilizing the help of both of them in ME3... but if I had to choose, it'd just all depend on what goes down before making the choice.



I think our crewmates would be the only one you can really actually trust.

I hope. I wouldn't be surprised if the Virmire Survivor actually fed intel back to the Alliance/insertnewfactionhere behind Shepard's back fer dramatic effect.

Then resolve the issue. If they did do that I wouldn't blame them either. Heck even if they had their own agenda. Ooc but circumstances are very particular.

[Nightodie]

fortunesque wrote...

IMO, Cerberus are similar to the Nasis (they censor this word here...). From what TIM says about humanity and the base, it's clear that he wants to ensure humans as a racially superior and dominant force in the galaxy. The aliens would then become subverted and treated as lesser beings. Their "whatever it takes even if it's unethical" approach is also consistent with Nasi leanings.


If one puts it in this context, it's very easy to see how someone that's been in the Alliance for a long time would freak out. But a lot of the time, I see people blaming the Virmire survivor for not blindly trusting and following Shepard in working with this group.

Personally, I think it speaks to their character that they won't do it. It also seems apparent that they're working with the Council and Anderson on the attacks on human Colonies and may be searching for proof of the reapers.

But yeah, I hate Cerberus and I don't want to work with them again. If Shepard is forced to work for them again in ME3 I'll be an unhappy me.

From what Anderson said to Shepard when she went to become a Spectre again (which was the first thing my Shepard did) Kaidan was on a top secret mission already and according to TIM his location was classified.  Now if Shep went to the council as soon as she could, right after the letter from Anderson was recieved.  The rumours were already circulating before she even woke up.  That right away sceams TIM.  The one thing Anderson knew was that she was alive and she was with Cerberus... they weren't rumours to him, it was fact.  And it was a fact that Kaidan didn't have. 

I think both Tim and Anderson were both manipulating Kaidan and Shepard.  Also when she is made a Spectre again the asari tells her she hopes for a resolution to the problem and a quick end to her involvement with Cerberus.  So they say they don't trust Shepard, but they believe her alliance with Cerberus is only temporary.  So they trust her...

it all seems very convoluted to me.

[fortunesque]

Sounds like they didn't think things through very well in ME2 with this Cerberus thing really XD

[Jean]

But we're still left in the dark with stuff too :>

[fortunesque]

Yep. Not a whole lot is explained in ME2. It's more like, "it just IS, dude. Go with it!"

[FireEye]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were many "Shepard is alive!" rumors that had nothing to do with anything (See: Elvis).

Although I do think Cerberus circulated their own rumors, probably well in advance, to boost themselves and to alienate Shepard from the Alliance (as well as to recruit Shepard's new crew).  I think that the burying Shepard's deeds or whatever has something to do with Cerberus' rumors.

But it's difficult to say what Kaidan knew and when.  It's possible he dismissed them all until Shepard was standing in front of him.  And then chose to believe the worst ones, wth?

The more I think of it, the more ME2 comes apart.  O_o

[UrbanPhoenix]

Hopefully ME3 isn't going to to end with some questions answered and some not. It would be like Serenity all over again.



Questions still from the Firefly/Serenity ending/canceling: (if anyone knows Firefly will knows these refs)



-Shepard Book's past that allows him gain rights in the Alliance

-River's future/past is not fully explained.

-Would have liked more on Inara's past

-Mal's and Inara's relationship

-The Tam Parents? Wtf are they? Do they just not care about the kids?

[sesheta255]

In the scheme of things though the information in Kasumi's dlc doesn't really matter because being dlc that not everyone wlll have, it won't play a big part in ME3. Personally I think that some of the higher ups in the Alliance know all about Cerberus and covertly support them. Kohoku obviously condidered that they'd gone rogue, and the fact that Anderson doesn't trust Shepard and doesn't tell Kaidan anything so that he's not swayed by Shepard seems to indicate that he is also in the dark about whether Cerberus is operating under a secret Alliance agenda, which I find pretty hard to believe.

It also grates on me that Shepard was just willing to believe TIM when he told her the Alliance were doing nothing and just fell in with Cerberus without even checking that bit of info first.

Modifié par sesheta255, 17 juin 2010 - 03:39 .