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[Tatooine92]

Batteries wrote...

I'd be scared away by the forums if I was a dev.

Ditto.

[Jean]

Being able to have a pleasant talk with a dev on an interesting subject(a single character would be cool) without someone rolling in and spoiling it?

[Tatooine92]

Batteries wrote...

Being able to have a pleasant talk with a dev on an interesting subject(a single character would be cool) without someone rolling in and spoiling it?

Ummm... ditto! XD I'd love to be able to go one-on-one with a dev, if it were all nice and friendly... and in person, over Starbucks. That would be fun, especially if it were a writer. I'd pick their brain!

[OdScIs]

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[Tatooine92]

OdScIs wrote...

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Quoted 'cause a picture as sweet as that deserves to be placed multiple times throughout a page!

[Jade5233]

Thanks for the warm welcome all
Boy!  Things move quickly here!

fortunesque wrote...
Horizon made me mad at Shepard for not trying harder to convince Kaidan. She just sits there and expects everyone to trust her after being dead for 2 years. So, people are just supposed to accept that she's back from the dead courtesy of a terrorist organization? Why? Because she's Shepard dammit and everyone ought to listen? She doesn't even offer any evidence! Shepard just acts like everyone ought to do as she says.

I know!  I keep running the dialogue and the message in my head and can't help but think of how Sheperd could have handled it better.  I guess a big part is that its been about a week since ME1 to her and 2 years to everyone else.  But she certainly could have been warmer to the guy.  Wouldn't she have told him how relieved she was to (1) see him again (2) that he wasn't abducted by the collectors?  Especially after that glowing intro he gave.  "Hey Kaidan, howvya been?" probably isn't exactly what had been in his fantasies of what she would say to him if by some miracle he would have met up with her again.  I think that it's that aloofness that makes the change in him from relieved and in awe to anger and betrayal--especially considering her connection to Cerberus.

CheeseRoca wrote...
we could at least see some unhappiness on our Shepard's face don't you think?

I think she doesn't want him to see it.  Notice that when he leaves, right before she com's Joker to pick them up, her shoulders droop.  Its sublte, but its there for both the male and female Shepards.

Sialater wrote...
the same woman who was so eloquent at Tali's trial to be a complete idiot in front of the man she supposedly loved

That's how love is sometimes, though.
I don't think that either Shepard or Kaidan know quite how to fit their emotions amongst their sense of duty.  Look at ME1.
Vehemently defending a friend is much easier.

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[OdScIs]

Tatooine92 wrote...

OdScIs wrote...

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Quoted 'cause a picture as sweet as that deserves to be placed multiple times throughout a page!

I agree

[sagefic]

Tatooine92 wrote...

AkodoRyu wrote...

I think there's always some person observing community, reviewing fanart and fanfiction as well. Ideas, concepts, especially some exceptional fan work (sometimes this is how people are headhunted).

That's... just a bit spooky. Then again, it's not unheard of. I once saw David Gaider post an *extremely* favorable comment on someone's drawing of the Empress of Orlais. Something about him wanting to take the picture to the dev team and demand "MAKE!"

that's frickin' awesome. this is why, minor complaints about demon babies and horizons aside, i LOVE bioware

[Jade5233]

CheeseRoca wrote...

Pacifien wrote...



You know, these forums are really an extremely small portion of the overall ME fanbase (unless you want to think 1.5 million people are reading this). I've always wondered how Kaidan was viewed overall. I know it's a love him/hate him division around here. I'm sure a lot of regular guys outside of the forum take that whiney hate him view because regular guys are quite clueless on what appeals to women anyway. But what of the female fanbase? Kaidan overwhelmingly over other LIs or no? I mean, do Bioware get a sense of how popular he is or are they stuck being dumbfounded by Garrus's popularity?

So true! It's insane how many people love Garrus. I have nothing against him but I hope Bioware doesn't forget us Kaidan fans here. I also hope that Bioware gives us a chance to romance Kaidan again in ME3. I've read some stuff about people who left the Kaidan fandom because of what happened in Horizon in ME2. Though I respect their decision, (Kaidan did act like a jerk there) I feel sad that people keep on hating on him (and sometimes the fans) Can't we all just get along?

Why do guys harp so badly on Kaidan being whiny? I've never seen him as such. I could see either Carth being seen as such (although I don't really) or Alistair (DA). But not Kaidan. If anything, he's too controlled, too together to allow much emotion to come through.



And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

[Tatooine92]

Jade5233 wrote...
And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

YES! I wanted to be hugged by a turian that understood loss. Epic fail.

[Sialater]

Jade5233 wrote...


And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

There are reasons for this.  Namely, if you're wanting to make time with a girl, do you really bring up the ex?  Also, if you're romancing Thane at the same time, he says he doesn't want to be involved in stupid love triangle.  I'm pretty sure the triangle comment can be applied to Kaidan as well. 

But, you'd be better off asking about this in the Garrus thread. 

[UrbanPhoenix]

Tatooine92 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

YES! I wanted to be hugged by a turian that understood loss. Epic fail.

Well consider this from Garrus's point of view, your Commander is teamed up with Cerberus, you are following her into hell, but also you are a turian and she's human....you don't know how to comfort her that much.

[OdScIs]

Jade5233 wrote...

CheeseRoca wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

You know, these forums are really an extremely small portion of the overall ME fanbase (unless you want to think 1.5 million people are reading this). I've always wondered how Kaidan was viewed overall. I know it's a love him/hate him division around here. I'm sure a lot of regular guys outside of the forum take that whiney hate him view because regular guys are quite clueless on what appeals to women anyway. But what of the female fanbase? Kaidan overwhelmingly over other LIs or no? I mean, do Bioware get a sense of how popular he is or are they stuck being dumbfounded by Garrus's popularity?

So true! It's insane how many people love Garrus. I have nothing against him but I hope Bioware doesn't forget us Kaidan fans here. I also hope that Bioware gives us a chance to romance Kaidan again in ME3. I've read some stuff about people who left the Kaidan fandom because of what happened in Horizon in ME2. Though I respect their decision, (Kaidan did act like a jerk there) I feel sad that people keep on hating on him (and sometimes the fans) Can't we all just get along?

Why do guys harp so badly on Kaidan being whiny? I've never seen him as such. I could see either Carth being seen as such (although I don't really) or Alistair (DA). But not Kaidan. If anything, he's too controlled, too together to allow much emotion to come through.

And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

I was also disapointed that Garrus nor Tali seemed like they didn't know about Shepard and Kaidan, I was surprised that there wasn't any banter at all about Horizon, not even from Kazumi, who knows a lot about Shepard's life. I thought that the companions you take to the mission would mention it or something, but nooo, no one mentions it, I think that is because they know what Kaidan said on Horizon hurted Shepard,  If that's the reason, I think the new LI should ask to see if they are just using them to forget the past LI (this case Kaidan) , But problably that will happen if ME3 if the writers do the "who do you choose" thing. (which I don't want to, I don't think Kaidan would react that way if he knows Shepard "cheated")

[Tatooine92]

UrbanPhoenix wrote...

Tatooine92 wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
And I was quite disappointed in Garrus after Horizon. He's supposed to be a friend and he would have known that there was something between Kaidan and Shepard. He doesn't offer any comfort at all to her after Horizon. Joker and Kelly talk to Shepard about it, but Garrus drops the ball. I think it would make him a better candidate to be LI if he is there to be a shoulder to cry on at that point in the story.

YES! I wanted to be hugged by a turian that understood loss. Epic fail.

Well consider this from Garrus's point of view, your Commander is teamed up with Cerberus, you are following her into hell, but also you are a turian and she's human....you don't know how to comfort her that much.

*considers* True. He does seem a bit awkward when it comes to personal stuff, buuuut it wouldn't hurt to try, right?

[sapphyreelf]

To go along further with what Urban is saying, if Shepard isn't expressing that she's hurt by Horizon (which Kelly and Joker are the only ones on the Normandy who acknowledge that planet), then he probably doesn't know that she needs comfort.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

[fortunesque]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

[OdScIs]

fortunesque wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

Lol, don't be so negative fort...oh, you're not being negative, you're being realistic.

[Fiery Phoenix]

fortunesque wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

That would be my guess, too.

[AkodoRyu]

fortunesque wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

As Fort says. Differences between them finish at Virmire (excluding the LI factor)

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[FireEye]

AkodoRyu wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

As Fort says. Differences between them finish at Virmire (excluding the LI factor)

... considering ME2... does this mean, come ME3, Kaidan will be spouting poetry? 

[Fiery Phoenix]

AkodoRyu wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan will play the exact same role as Ashley in ME3? I've recently started a new ME1 playthrough (my 8th), and the two (Kaidan and Ashley) are obviously two very different characters, but in ME2, they are more or less the same attitude-wise. I wonder what this means for ME3.

They'll probably be the same with even the same lines with a word or two altered. I expect the same amount of effort put into them in ME3 that was shown in ME2. (which is next to none)

As Fort says. Differences between them finish at Virmire (excluding the LI factor)

That certainly seems to be the case.

I'm a male gamer, so it's only natural for my primary Shepard to be male. That being said, I do have a female Shepard who romanced Kaidan in ME1 (I actually liked his character more as a female), but for some odd reason I couldn't resist myself with Thane in ME2, so I moved on and romanced him. Since my male Shepard is staying true to Ashley, I guess I'm not missing much if both are just going to play the same role in ME3, though part of me wants to replay ME2 with my FemShep and stick to Kaidan, but I really don't know.

[Joisan]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
That certainly seems to be the case.

I'm a male gamer, so it's only natural for my primary Shepard to be male. That being said, I do have a female Shepard who romanced Kaidan in ME1 (I actually liked his character more as a female), but for some odd reason I couldn't resist myself with Thane in ME2, so I moved on and romanced him. Since my male Shepard is staying true to Ashley, I guess I'm not missing much if both are just going to play the same role in ME3, though part of me wants to replay ME2 with my FemShep and stick to Kaidan, but I really don't know.

Well, we'll see.  In ME1 the post-Virmire romance content was very different for Kaidan and Ashley.  In ME2 their Horizon dialogue was practically copied and pasted.  Let's hope for more of an ME1-type thing: they may fill the same role, but their personal dialogue with Shepard is very different.

[Ecael]

Joisan wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
That certainly seems to be the case.

I'm a male gamer, so it's only natural for my primary Shepard to be male. That being said, I do have a female Shepard who romanced Kaidan in ME1 (I actually liked his character more as a female), but for some odd reason I couldn't resist myself with Thane in ME2, so I moved on and romanced him. Since my male Shepard is staying true to Ashley, I guess I'm not missing much if both are just going to play the same role in ME3, though part of me wants to replay ME2 with my FemShep and stick to Kaidan, but I really don't know.

Well, we'll see.  In ME1 the post-Virmire romance content was very different for Kaidan and Ashley.  In ME2 their Horizon dialogue was practically copied and pasted.  Let's hope for more of an ME1-type thing: they may fill the same role, but their personal dialogue with Shepard is very different.

I fear that Kaidan/Ashley will become the squadmate version of John/Jane Shepard.

If they're going to do that, they might as well let us play as them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Joisan wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
That certainly seems to be the case.

I'm a male gamer, so it's only natural for my primary Shepard to be male. That being said, I do have a female Shepard who romanced Kaidan in ME1 (I actually liked his character more as a female), but for some odd reason I couldn't resist myself with Thane in ME2, so I moved on and romanced him. Since my male Shepard is staying true to Ashley, I guess I'm not missing much if both are just going to play the same role in ME3, though part of me wants to replay ME2 with my FemShep and stick to Kaidan, but I really don't know.

Well, we'll see.  In ME1 the post-Virmire romance content was very different for Kaidan and Ashley.  In ME2 their Horizon dialogue was practically copied and pasted.  Let's hope for more of an ME1-type thing: they may fill the same role, but their personal dialogue with Shepard is very different.

Yup.