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[Jean]

Ahh, that was good.



Shep: You don't sound happy..



Kaidan: Wtf you think!?!

[Nightodie]

Sialater wrote...

Yeah, what Sapphy said, Jaer. No one but a Collector ship would have spotted them. The Normandy's the only ship that can run around The Terminus with impunity.

Or did the collector ship find them because they were looking for them?


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[sapphyreelf]

They make it very clear that the Collectors were hunting the Normandy.

But we're more saying that the Collectors were the only ones with technology to see through the Stealth systems on the Normandy - giving both the Alliance and the Council the ability to send one operative and team into the Terminus.

[JaerWolfe]

sapphyreelf wrote...



@Jaer: The Normandy was a stealth ship. They were patrolling in Stealth mode when the Collector ship hit it. Remember, they were investigating "geth activity reports" - and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to send a stealth ship in to verify claims. Even into the Terminus.

Hmmm, intelligence gathering mission vs go in, find geth, kill them lots and get out. That I can see. The threat/payoff is no worse than in any other situation with a hostile species/government. There would likely have been no resolution to the supposed threat at least from a visible, political standpoint.

I think I forget that for all intents and purposes the Normany was created for intelligence gathering, not combat, events to the contrary.

It also makes Anderson's picking Kaidan for the Normandy more understandable. His skills fit right in with what they would have originally intended the Normandy's mission to be.

[Nightodie]

sapphyreelf wrote...

They make it very clear that the Collectors were hunting the Normandy.
But we're more saying that the Collectors were the only ones with technology to see through the Stealth systems on the Normandy - giving both the Alliance and the Council the ability to send one operative and team into the Terminus.

Not so, the Normandy was Visable... anyone could 'see" it if it was looking for it.. the Collectors didn't need any special tech... they just needed a window.

[goofygoff]

Hi, all.  Just finished catching up on 50+ pages after my long weekend.  I love my job. 

Sialater wrote...

I'm in the process of making a single Shep for Thane. I can justify moving on to your best friend after Kaidan, but I can't justify moving on to a stranger from him.

This.  All of it.

I deleted the save where my Shep moved on with Thane.  It didn't seem right for the character, and was unfair to both LIs.  At least with Garrus, there's history and an established bond.

I'm almost finished with my single ME1 playthrough.  Thane had better be appreciative, because not romancing Kaidan has been hell.  HELL, I TELL YOU! 

[JaerWolfe]

computer glitch/forgive please.

Modifié par JaerWolfe, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:19 .

[sapphyreelf]

@Jaer: Exactly. The Normandy doesn't have an army. It has a crack team of elite soldiers in the event that an immediate threat needs to be handled.

[sapphyreelf]

Nightodie wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

They make it very clear that the Collectors were hunting the Normandy.
But we're more saying that the Collectors were the only ones with technology to see through the Stealth systems on the Normandy - giving both the Alliance and the Council the ability to send one operative and team into the Terminus.

Not so, the Normandy was Visable... anyone could 'see" it if it was looking for it.. the Collectors didn't need any special tech... they just needed a window.

Generally speaking, in space, most ships rely on sensors to view the area around them, and not windows. Yes, there are windows, but the stealth system on the Normandy makes it possible to fly by the sensors without detection.

Otherwise, there would have been no way of getting to Ilos.

[Jade5233]

But it couldn't have taken too long. The life support on those pods can't be too long-term. And heavy negotiations or anything politicians do take a long time.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

They make it very clear that the Collectors were hunting the Normandy.
But we're more saying that the Collectors were the only ones with technology to see through the Stealth systems on the Normandy - giving both the Alliance and the Council the ability to send one operative and team into the Terminus.

Not so, the Normandy was Visable... anyone could 'see" it if it was looking for it.. the Collectors didn't need any special tech... they just needed a window.

Generally speaking, in space, most ships rely on sensors to view the area around them, and not windows. Yes, there are windows, but the stealth system on the Normandy makes it possible to fly by the sensors without detection.

Otherwise, there would have been no way of getting to Ilos.

Did you see a window on the Collector ship? 


Windows on a ship are really quite useless given the vast distances in space.  For a really good description of this, I highly, HIGHLY recommend David Weber's Honor Harrington series.  (I "borrowed" space navy protocol for aPoV from him.)

[JaerWolfe]

sapphyreelf wrote...

@Jaer: Exactly. The Normandy doesn't have an army. It has a crack team of elite soldiers in the event that an immediate threat needs to be handled.

Which makes me wonder if Kaidan and Shepard would have ever had a relationship had the events not unfolded the way they did. If Saren and the Reapers (that will always sound like an 80s band to me) hadn't attacked.
Anderson would still be in charge of the Normandy, Shepard's Spectre training would likely have taken much longer, a lot of it with Nihlus rather than a 3 person ground team.
I can see the initial attraction being there, but would they have ever acted on it?

[Sialater]

I disagree on the negotiations. One ship, an S&R team, grab anything with a beacon and get the hell out, and no negotiations are necessary. Hence not knowing where the Normandy went down exactly.

[Sialater]

JaerWolfe wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

@Jaer: Exactly. The Normandy doesn't have an army. It has a crack team of elite soldiers in the event that an immediate threat needs to be handled.

Which makes me wonder if Kaidan and Shepard would have ever had a relationship had the events not unfolded the way they did. If Saren and the Reapers (that will always sound like an 80s band to me) hadn't attacked.
Anderson would still be in charge of the Normandy, Shepard's Spectre training would likely have taken much longer, a lot of it with Nihlus rather than a 3 person ground team.
I can see the initial attraction being there, but would they have ever acted on it?

It may have taken longer... but I can imagine it still happening.

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

They make it very clear that the Collectors were hunting the Normandy.
But we're more saying that the Collectors were the only ones with technology to see through the Stealth systems on the Normandy - giving both the Alliance and the Council the ability to send one operative and team into the Terminus.

Not so, the Normandy was Visable... anyone could 'see" it if it was looking for it.. the Collectors didn't need any special tech... they just needed a window.

Generally speaking, in space, most ships rely on sensors to view the area around them, and not windows. Yes, there are windows, but the stealth system on the Normandy makes it possible to fly by the sensors without detection.

Otherwise, there would have been no way of getting to Ilos.

Did you see a window on the Collector ship? 


Windows on a ship are really quite useless given the vast distances in space.  For a really good description of this, I highly, HIGHLY recommend David Weber's Honor Harrington series.  (I "borrowed" space navy protocol for aPoV from him.)

And if by some chance someone on a Terminus aligned vessel happened to look out a window and "see" the Normandy, it would be rather far away - making it impossible to determine what it was. I give Joker and the Normandy crew a lot more sense than to be flying close to other vessels while on those Ops.

[siriusrambles]

JaerWolfe wrote...
I can appreciate what they were trying to do with the DLC, I just think it could have been executed a bit better. But then I feel the same way about Horizon, lol. I need to remember to separate the story from the game play when it comes to these little things.

when ash/kaidan were stationed on horizon, hackett could have requested they place the memorial on alchera instead of shepard.  that's why the dlc will always leave me perplexed.  the alliance wants nothing to do with you but we need a favor. 

[goofygoff]

JaerWolfe wrote...

Which makes me wonder if Kaidan and Shepard would have ever had a relationship had the events not unfolded the way they did. If Saren and the Reapers (that will always sound like an 80s band to me) hadn't attacked.
Anderson would still be in charge of the Normandy, Shepard's Spectre training would likely have taken much longer, a lot of it with Nihlus rather than a 3 person ground team.
I can see the initial attraction being there, but would they have ever acted on it?

Eventually.  But they would've actually waited for that shore leave Kaidan was looking forward to. 

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

I disagree on the negotiations. One ship, an S&R team, grab anything with a beacon and get the hell out, and no negotiations are necessary. Hence not knowing where the Normandy went down exactly.

That's also plausible too.

Actually thinking on it more, probably more than likely what happened. Even if people in the Terminus picked up on the beacons, it could create as much of an incident if they tried to make accusations about Alliance being in the sector.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I disagree on the negotiations. One ship, an S&R team, grab anything with a beacon and get the hell out, and no negotiations are necessary. Hence not knowing where the Normandy went down exactly.

That's also plausible too.

Actually thinking on it more, probably more than likely what happened. Even if people in the Terminus picked up on the beacons, it could create as much of an incident if they tried to make accusations about Alliance being in the sector.

Also would explain why it took two years to pinpoint where in that system the Normandy finally crashed.  That would have taken negotiations.


AND it's why Shepard ends up doing it.  The VS is Alliance.  No Alliance allowed in the Terminus systems.  

Modifié par Sialater, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:34 .

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I disagree on the negotiations. One ship, an S&R team, grab anything with a beacon and get the hell out, and no negotiations are necessary. Hence not knowing where the Normandy went down exactly.

That's also plausible too.

Actually thinking on it more, probably more than likely what happened. Even if people in the Terminus picked up on the beacons, it could create as much of an incident if they tried to make accusations about Alliance being in the sector.

Also would explain why it took two years to pinpoint where in that system the Normandy finally crashed.  That would have taken negotiations.


AND it's why Shepard ends up doing it.  The VS is Alliance.  No Alliance allowed in the Terminus systems.  

Not to mention that sending anyone official from the Alliance meant a prolonged stay in orbit. That would be a lot riskier than a snatch and grab of escape pods.

[siriusrambles]

goofygoff wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...

Which makes me wonder if Kaidan and Shepard would have ever had a relationship had the events not unfolded the way they did. If Saren and the Reapers (that will always sound like an 80s band to me) hadn't attacked.
Anderson would still be in charge of the Normandy, Shepard's Spectre training would likely have taken much longer, a lot of it with Nihlus rather than a 3 person ground team.
I can see the initial attraction being there, but would they have ever acted on it?

Eventually.  But they would've actually waited for that shore leave Kaidan was looking forward to. 

i also think they would have waited for shore leave to find out what was between them.  they both seemed against breaking regulations under ordinary circumstances. 

for some reason, the idea of a saren and the reapers band reminds me of jem and the holograms.  

[JaerWolfe]

siriusrambles wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...
I can appreciate what they were trying to do with the DLC, I just think it could have been executed a bit better. But then I feel the same way about Horizon, lol. I need to remember to separate the story from the game play when it comes to these little things.

when ash/kaidan were stationed on horizon, hackett could have requested they place the memorial on alchera instead of shepard. that's why the dlc will always leave me perplexed. the alliance wants nothing to do with you but we need a favor.

I also have a problem with the site not being sanitized in the first place. The Normandy was state of the art tech that any pirate in the system would be coveting. Better to nuke it from orbit, as it were, rather than leave it to be scavanged. Mostly I squint at this one because it leaves open intriging possibilities with black market tech.
Yeah, the whole Ash/Kaidan being stationed on Horizon in the first place I'm going to basically ignore until ME3 and I see the justification for it. Outside Timmy's rather fine manipulative touch, their presence could have sparked a war. They are Alliance representatives and not in an ambassadorial position but to deliver weapons.

Modifié par JaerWolfe, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:39 .

[Sialater]

JaerWolfe wrote...

siriusrambles wrote...

JaerWolfe wrote...
I can appreciate what they were trying to do with the DLC, I just think it could have been executed a bit better. But then I feel the same way about Horizon, lol. I need to remember to separate the story from the game play when it comes to these little things.

when ash/kaidan were stationed on horizon, hackett could have requested they place the memorial on alchera instead of shepard. that's why the dlc will always leave me perplexed. the alliance wants nothing to do with you but we need a favor.

I also have a problem with the site not being sanitized in the first place. The Normandy was state of the art tech that any pirate in the system would be coveting. Better to nuke it from orbit, as it were, rather than leave it to be scavanged. Mostly I squint at this one because it leaves open intriging possibilities with black market tech.
Yeah, the whole Ash/Kaidan being stationed on Horizon in the first place I'm going to basically ignore until ME3 and I see the justification for it. Outside Timmy's rather fine manipulative touch, their presence could have sparked a war. They are Alliance representatives and not in an ambassadorial position but to deliver weapons.

Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't dangerous for them to be on Horizon, but as far as sanitizing the Normandy, there wasn't time to find the wreck.  The pods were easier.  

Space is a BIG place.  And doesn't Hackett mention they never found it because the transponder/IFF was damaged in the attack/crash and not transmitting?

[Jean]

They could always use that handy dandy plot-kai they have.

www.youtube.com/watch - Reapers!

[sapphyreelf]

I really like that it was Shep that gets to go to the planet and deal with the wreckage. It enables all sorts of things for the growth of the "hero".