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[Jade5233]

Must be dinner time...

EDIT:  Crud.  the work computer won't let me get into photobucket so I can post the top of the page pic.  would someone help?

Modifié par Jade5233, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:46 .

[sapphyreelf]

Kaidan for Jade:

[Jade5233]

Thanks, elf. I love that photo

[sesheta255]

Morning all, My catch up and 2 cents worth
@Jaer - re the Normandy dlc. You know my thoughts on this already, lol but I may as well throw them up here as well :
1. It never made sense to me that the Alliance waited 2 years to get someone to retrieve the dogtags.
2. What and how much did Hackett know about what Cerberus was doing with Shepard? It seems that he contacted Shepard pretty quickly after she came back. I always took it that he knew exactly what Cerberus was doing and that sending Shepard to the crash site was a test of loyalty and/or a test to see if it really was Shepard.
3. In one of my rewrite pile fics I do have Kaidan & Shepard going back to the Normandy crash site. Kaidan was not impressed about not being sent there in the 2 year period.
4. How the hell did those crates not only survive the crash but manage to land on top of random dogtags.
5. It seems to me that the Alliance would want to salvage as much tech as possible and clean up the site given that the Normandy was their most advanced ship. I can't believe they would leave it there for 2 years for the mercs or Cerberus or anyone else to pick bare. I don't buy that they didn't know where it was and just happened to find it right at the same time that Shepard was resurrected.

Re ME2 LI's again..... None of the LI's available to femShep were a patch on Kaidan's romance and were all cringeworthy to varying degrees for me, so no interest there for me. I hope they don't introduce more LI's in ME3, there are way too many now and they would still have a hard time topping Kaidan. And please no Krogans as LI's, lmao

Re virmire - I still think Shepard had time to get both of them out. Of course thats assuming that when Ash (sorry Kaidan survives every Virmire run I do) drops out after Shep makes the decision who to save that she is still alive. But once again from a logic pov and ignoring romance it makes more sense to rescue Kaidan - he is far more valuable to the Alliance in the greater scheme of things.

Modifié par sesheta255, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:58 .

[UrbanPhoenix]

Kaidan's Hair Irl!  I saw this and was like...WTF KAIDAN HAIR!

Modifié par UrbanPhoenix, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:00 .

[Jean]

I think whoever died on Virmire died in the blast instead of before.

[Giggles_Manically]

I hated Virmire, felt like a kick in the gut. I had just talked down Wrex, massacered the geth, and thought cake was soon to be given. Than that choice hit, and I lost my best friend to a damn bomb, and hearing Kaidan say goodbye hurt me a lot. All in a game no less.
I literally felt so many things in the debrief, and lost it on everyone and the council. Since Kaidan had been with my Shep through hell and back and he died saving the mission he got 10,000 times more awsome to me.
This song seems to fit what I felt pretty well:

Amazing part to a game, but ripped a good chunk of my heart out and actually made me miss a digital charachter. Good work Bioware.

[siriusrambles]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Amazing part to a game, but ripped a good chunk of my heart out and actually made me miss a digital charachter. Good work Bioware.

i've never felt so much anguish playing a video game as i did during that choose someone scene. 

[Jade5233]

sesheta255 wrote...

Morning all, My catch up and 2 cents worth
@Jaer - re the Normandy dlc. You know my thoughts on this already, lol but I may as well throw them up here as well :
1. It never made sense to me that the Alliance waited 2 years to get someone to retrieve the dogtags.
2. What and how much did Hackett know about what Cerberus was doing with Shepard? It seems that he contacted Shepard pretty quickly after she came back. I always took it that he knew exactly what Cerberus was doing and that sending Shepard to the crash site was a test of loyalty and/or a test to see if it really was Shepard.
3. In one of my rewrite pile fics I do have Kaidan & Shepard going back to the Normandy crash site. Kaidan was not impressed about not being sent there in the 2 year period.
4. How the hell did those crates not only survive the crash but manage to land on top of random dogtags.
5. It seems to me that the Alliance would want to salvage as much tech as possible and clean up the site given that the Normandy was their most advanced ship. I can't believe they would leave it there for 2 years for the mercs or Cerberus or anyone else to pick bare. I don't buy that they didn't know where it was and just happened to find it right at the same time that Shepard was resurrected.

Re ME2 LI's again..... None of the LI's available to femShep were a patch on Kaidan's romance and were all cringeworthy to varying degrees for me, so no interest there for me. I hope they don't introduce more LI's in ME3, there are way too many now and they would still have a hard time topping Kaidan. And please no Krogans as LI's, lmao

Re virmire - I still think Shepard had time to get both of them out. Of course thats assuming that when Ash (sorry Kaidan survives every Virmire run I do) drops out after Shep makes the decision who to save that she is still alive. But once again from a logic pov and ignoring romance it makes more sense to rescue Kaidan - he is far more valuable to the Alliance in the greater scheme of things.

You know, Kaidan's value was something that I had thought of--not as the true reason I saved him.  When Virmire went down, I was "Kaidan is gonna be pissed that I let feelings infringe on duty."  The justification I thought of for  my Shep to give him that it was an intellectual, not a romance-induced decision was that (1) Kaidan was the ranking officer (2) He had special tech skills (3) He is one of the very very few fully functioning L2 biotics in whom the Alliance had invested a helluva lot of money.
Of course, I would have been lying through my teeth. 

[sapphyreelf]

siriusrambles wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Amazing part to a game, but ripped a good chunk of my heart out and actually made me miss a digital charachter. Good work Bioware.

i've never felt so much anguish playing a video game as i did during that choose someone scene. 

It's a rough one. I was spoiled on it long before I played ME (I watched one of my friend's mom play the scene one day over at his house) so I had been prepared for it. That first time though, I was a bit panicked.

[Collider]

I remember moving the left analog stick left and right trying to think of who to save. I think I may have spent a couple minutes thinking. In the end, I saved Kaidan. I've never manged not to save him.

[Jean]

I knew next to nothing about Mass Effect when I got it. I just knew it was pretty popular and sci-fi.

[sapphyreelf]

Jade5233 wrote...

You know, Kaidan's value was something that I had thought of--not as the true reason I saved him.  When Virmire went down, I was "Kaidan is gonna be pissed that I let feelings infringe on duty."  The justification I thought of for  my Shep to give him that it was an intellectual, not a romance-induced decision was that (1) Kaidan was the ranking officer (2) He had special tech skills (3) He is one of the very very few fully functioning L2 biotics in whom the Alliance had invested a helluva lot of money.
Of course, I would have been lying through my teeth. 

My Shep saved him because he was tactically the more strategic target to save. The nuke had to go off.  That's what she tells him, and it's the truth.

The lie would be if anyone ever asked if she would have saved Ashley had Kaidan been with the Salarians. That's the part that she has problems with because she's not sure she could have made the same call.

My Shep doesn't like qualifying why one person is inherently more valuable than the other. They are both important and valuable to the mission. And the objective was to blow the base. She had to make sure that was done. (Hence why she doesn't use the very valid reasons as to why Kaidan would be a more valuable choice overall)

[Giggles_Manically]

I leave the person at the nuke everytime since, its already set to go. Kaidan at least says "There! Now nothing the Geth can do will stop the bomb from going off" , Ash does the same thing I think as well.



Honestly I dreaded Virmire everytime since I hated doing that to my squad.

[sesheta255]

I never had any angst over Virmire - there was never really a question in my mind about who I was going to save. Kaidan's always on my team so he's always at the nuke with Shepard anyway, lol. I would have had a much harder time if the choice was between all of the squad cause I could have cheerfully sacrificed 3 of them with no problems and would have a hard time choosing between the 3, lol.

[Jade5233]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

You know, Kaidan's value was something that I had thought of--not as the true reason I saved him.  When Virmire went down, I was "Kaidan is gonna be pissed that I let feelings infringe on duty."  The justification I thought of for  my Shep to give him that it was an intellectual, not a romance-induced decision was that (1) Kaidan was the ranking officer (2) He had special tech skills (3) He is one of the very very few fully functioning L2 biotics in whom the Alliance had invested a helluva lot of money.
Of course, I would have been lying through my teeth. 

My Shep saved him because he was tactically the more strategic target to save. The nuke had to go off.  That's what she tells him, and it's the truth.

The lie would be if anyone ever asked if she would have saved Ashley had Kaidan been with the Salarians. That's the part that she has problems with because she's not sure she could have made the same call.

My Shep doesn't like qualifying why one person is inherently more valuable than the other. They are both important and valuable to the mission. And the objective was to blow the base. She had to make sure that was done. (Hence why she doesn't use the very valid reasons as to why Kaidan would be a more valuable choice overall)

There was a part of me that knew I should be there to make sure it did.  So I agree there
However, Kaidan assurred Shepard that the bomb would go off no matter what.  And from playing the other side, you know that he or Ash get sthe job done if you are there or not.  So that's a bit moot.
And from what I heard, Ashley gives John Shepard some flack for saving her rather than her superior officer.  So I know that point has some relavence.

I just knew Kaidan's propensity for taking responsibility for things--even things that aren't in his control.  I was afraid there was going to be more discussion/hell to pay with him for choosing love over Ash.  I was just mentally preparing for reasons--not why he had more worth than Ash, but why he should have been the one to be rescued form the Alliance's POV.

[Collider]

At the time, the choice seemed to be that whomever you choose to save, you would actually save, so I did not factor in who was where.

The reason I chose Kaidan, was because he was more useful. Ashley's first experience in combat was at Eden Prime, where she lost her squad.

Kaidan had been leading people already and was extraordinarily decorated for his leadership ship skills, as well as honors for bravery on the battlefield. If Shepard ended up dying before Saren was taken down, Kaidan would be easily the most apt to take over the job for Shepard. He has leadership experience, a level head, and does not have the same prejudices about aliens that Ashley does.

He's also a biotic. Ashley is a spirited soldier, but that's all she is. Shooting guns is presumably the only relevant skill she has. Shepard can get people who shoot guns from anywhere. Shepard can't get a powerful biotic lieutenant with tech skills, with various honors and accommodations, out of thin air, in contrast.

Ashley also wants to redeem her family name. That's not why I saved Kaidan, but knowing that makes the choice a little easier. She also believes in god and heaven, so I don't have to worry about the atheist in a foxhole thing. I know at least her faith may give her some peace.

Modifié par Collider, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:29 .

[sapphyreelf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I leave the person at the nuke everytime since, its already set to go. Kaidan at least says "There! Now nothing the Geth can do will stop the bomb from going off" , Ash does the same thing I think as well.

Honestly I dreaded Virmire everytime since I hated doing that to my squad.

By that point in the game, you know about Reapers and have met Sovereign. You know Saren and the Geth are in league with them. There is no way to predict, imo, that the Geth would not be able to disable that bomb and keep it from going off.

My Shepard is very by the book. The mission objective is the most important thing, everything else is secondary - but you do your damnedest to ensure that those are met as well. The decision was a no-win scenario, and the primary objective HAD to be met.

[Giggles_Manically]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I leave the person at the nuke everytime since, its already set to go. Kaidan at least says "There! Now nothing the Geth can do will stop the bomb from going off" , Ash does the same thing I think as well.

Honestly I dreaded Virmire everytime since I hated doing that to my squad.

By that point in the game, you know about Reapers and have met Sovereign. You know Saren and the Geth are in league with them. There is no way to predict, imo, that the Geth would not be able to disable that bomb and keep it from going off.

My Shepard is very by the book. The mission objective is the most important thing, everything else is secondary - but you do your damnedest to ensure that those are met as well. The decision was a no-win scenario, and the primary objective HAD to be met.

I cant go back to the nuke since an entire team of spec ops and another member is still fighting, If I can get to them and rescue multiple lives that is good. But if Kaidan dies at the site before you reach it, that leaves no time to get back to rescue the other team. Even if the geth stop the bomb you still evac many lives and can escape to bring in a fleet. Besides Kaidan was pretty well built at that point I knew sadly that he could hold the geth for long enough, still made me sick though.

Sad but I am a glad the ME2 lacked a huge choice like that.
Samara and MOrinth dont count. Right because I want a 400 year old serial killer who kills with sex on my ship.

[Jean]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I leave the person at the nuke everytime since, its already set to go. Kaidan at least says "There! Now nothing the Geth can do will stop the bomb from going off" , Ash does the same thing I think as well.

Honestly I dreaded Virmire everytime since I hated doing that to my squad.

By that point in the game, you know about Reapers and have met Sovereign. You know Saren and the Geth are in league with them. There is no way to predict, imo, that the Geth would not be able to disable that bomb and keep it from going off.

My Shepard is very by the book. The mission objective is the most important thing, everything else is secondary - but you do your damnedest to ensure that those are met as well. The decision was a no-win scenario, and the primary objective HAD to be met.

I cant go back to the nuke since an entire team of spec ops and another member is still fighting, If I can get to them and rescue multiple lives that is good. But if Kaidan dies at the site before you reach it, that leaves no time to get back to rescue the other team. Even if the geth stop the bomb you still evac many lives and can escape to bring in a fleet. Besides Kaidan was pretty well built at that point I knew sadly that he could hold the geth for long enough, still made me sick though.

Sad but I am a glad the ME2 lacked a huge choice like that.
Samara and MOrinth dont count. Right because I want a 400 year old serial killer who kills with sex on my ship.

Most guys get turned on by that.

Er... don't they?

[Giggles_Manically]

Not really my even my most Renegade shep wasent even tempted.

FOrget saving the Collector base, Recruiting Morinth is flat out the dumbest thing to do in the enitre game.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .

[sapphyreelf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I leave the person at the nuke everytime since, its already set to go. Kaidan at least says "There! Now nothing the Geth can do will stop the bomb from going off" , Ash does the same thing I think as well.

Honestly I dreaded Virmire everytime since I hated doing that to my squad.

By that point in the game, you know about Reapers and have met Sovereign. You know Saren and the Geth are in league with them. There is no way to predict, imo, that the Geth would not be able to disable that bomb and keep it from going off.

My Shepard is very by the book. The mission objective is the most important thing, everything else is secondary - but you do your damnedest to ensure that those are met as well. The decision was a no-win scenario, and the primary objective HAD to be met.

I cant go back to the nuke since an entire team of spec ops and another member is still fighting, If I can get to them and rescue multiple lives that is good. But if Kaidan dies at the site before you reach it, that leaves no time to get back to rescue the other team. Even if the geth stop the bomb you still evac many lives and can escape to bring in a fleet. Besides Kaidan was pretty well built at that point I knew sadly that he could hold the geth for long enough, still made me sick though.

Sad but I am a glad the ME2 lacked a huge choice like that.
Samara and MOrinth dont count. Right because I want a 400 year old serial killer who kills with sex on my ship.

Just remember that the Salarian spec ops there knew that their diversion was a suicide mission from the get go. They were ready and able to sacrifice their live to ensure the primary objective was met. All the people involved were aware of the risks of the mission.

It doesn't make either decision better or worse, and I can assure you that the decision does not sit well with my Shep (no matter how she may act).

[Lady Cousland]

I didn't like having to choose between Ash and Kaidan coz I really liked them both. Of course i chose Kaidan for obvious reasons but it would have been nice to save both of them. I always left Ash at the bomb site, I wanted to shoot a lot of Geth before the bomb went off.

[Giggles_Manically]

Virmire choice aside: The debrief was awsome.

Ashley lost it at Shep, i liked this line though

Shep:Ash do you want to die a martyr?

Ash: I.. no maam.



While Kaidan seemed to feel even worse than Shep does, almost like he blames himself for Ash dying.

[Jean]

Speaking of Virmire, I just have to finish up killing Benezia here and go off to it x.x