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[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Good morning all!

I appreciate ME2 as a fun game, and for what it is -- a cinematic, cover-based third person shooter with a story -- it's really good. It's just *not* an RPG anymore, nor is it a continuation of the story of the character I made in the first game. I can pretend, or make excuses, but I've been too disconnected from the ability to have meaningful choices and consequences in ME2 to really get into it. I can actually finish it, which is more than I can say for a lot of games that are not my style, but I'm not engaged or as enthusiastic as I was while playing ME1.

I did enjoy the characters, although they all needed more dialogue and development, and I can see why other people prefer it. It's just not my style of game, and I wouldn't have picked it up if it weren't a sequel of a game I loved.

As for the lack of Kaidan, I really don't mind going through games without love interests, since for the longest time I was a big detractor of Bioware's love interests for women, and rarely bothered with them. My problems with ME2 are more that because I chose not to get the Paramour achievement, I missed out on tons of dialogue and character development, because none of my teammates want to be "just friends". I hope that friendship paths are a priority in ME3.

Completely agree.  Meghan, for instance has a lot in common with Jack (if it weren't for Anderson and the Alliance, she'd have been in cryo right next to her).  But you can't befriend her.  She's not interested in you if don't have ther right, er... equipment.    You can't say, "Look, kid... I've been in your shoes, I've worn the soles out, get over yourself.  I don't belong to the girls' club either, and you're not a certain L2 Staff Commander or a turian Gunnery Officer.  Grow up.  Now let's go get a beer."

[Jenova65]

The thing I really hate about ME2 is the fact that Jack is a real pill if you are a female Shepard, the best you can hope for ''Yeah, thanks for helping me blow s**t up'', Oh, cheers then, you make me kill my best mate and you replace her with this???

They make Jack seem so shallow from a female perspective...............

[Sialater]

Jenova65 wrote...

The thing I really hate about ME2 is the fact that Jack is a real pill if you are a female Shepard, the best you can hope for ''Yeah, thanks for helping me blow s**t up'', Oh, cheers then, you make me kill my best mate and you replace her with this???
They make Jack seem so shallow from a female perspective...............

Well, girls shouldn't want to be friends with other girls.  That's just gay.  (They don't have a strong enough eye rolling emoticon.)

[Collider]

Did anyone else notice the eyeroll Jacob makes just before he breaks his salutes? Or maybe I'm just imagining it.

[Jenova65]

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

The thing I really hate about ME2 is the fact that Jack is a real pill if you are a female Shepard, the best you can hope for ''Yeah, thanks for helping me blow s**t up'', Oh, cheers then, you make me kill my best mate and you replace her with this???
They make Jack seem so shallow from a female perspective...............

Well, girls shouldn't want to be friends with other girls.  That's just gay.  (They don't have a strong enough eye rolling emoticon.)

QFT (Even Google doesn't have a strong enough rolleye emoticon......... Trust me, I looked) <_<

[jtav]

Yes, don't you know that only romantic love is the only thing capable of healing emotional scars. Not platonic love. Not therapy.You have to at least want to sleep with them. It's a major squick for me.



That said, I found Miranda and Thane had plenty to say without romance and their arcs came to a natural conclusion.

[TMA LIVE]

Collider wrote...

Did anyone else notice the eyeroll Jacob makes just before he breaks his salutes? Or maybe I'm just imagining it.

Probably not. Jacob as a character seems to get worse and worse the more you get to know him. As a friend, he seems like an alright guy you can trust, but once you try to get personal, you learn he's a real ****.

[Nightodie]

When I said ME2 was linear I meant the missions them self - yes you might have a choice between a or b at the end but you travel the parallel road to get there - and yes ME was guilty or that in some respects too. I do like some things about ME2 I like the weapon system
But I don't like the heat sink, I liked overload better. 

I have had Horizon activate with 3 recruits and Zaeed - I didn't have Grunt.

Modifié par Nightodie, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:46 .

[Jenova65]

I think the issue with even romance paths is that once you have declared coupledom, the whole relationship seems to stand still!

[Sialater]

Jenova65 wrote...

I think the issue with even romance paths is that once you have declared coupledom, the whole relationship seems to stand still!

Well, that's the same in every game, KOTOR, DA:O... Once the courtship is over... you get to take each other for granted. 

[Aslanasadi]

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I think the issue with even romance paths is that once you have declared coupledom, the whole relationship seems to stand still!

Well, that's the same in every game, KOTOR, DA:O... Once the courtship is over... you get to take each other for granted. 

That´s true... But at least my Cousland could *order* Alistair to kiss her when ever she felt like it in DA:O.

Edit: Good Afternoon or Good Morning everyone around here:)


thought that fits:happy:

Modifié par Aslanasadi, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:53 .

[Jenova65]

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I think the issue with even romance paths is that once you have declared coupledom, the whole relationship seems to stand still!

Well, that's the same in every game, KOTOR, DA:O... Once the courtship is over... you get to take each other for granted. 

Yeah, that's what I meant, all romance paths stand still at that point, there is no growth, no evolution it feels like the end of a book in a way. I know they can't really mimic love but it feels like they could still talk a bit, you know? 

[Sialater]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I think the issue with even romance paths is that once you have declared coupledom, the whole relationship seems to stand still!

Well, that's the same in every game, KOTOR, DA:O... Once the courtship is over... you get to take each other for granted. 

That´s true... But at least my Cousland could *order* Alistair to kiss her when ever she felt like it in DA:O.

Edit: Good Afternoon or Good Morning everyone around here:)


thought that fits:happy:

*sigh*  All too well.... *drool*

@ Jenova:  That's why we have fanfic.

[Nightodie]

And a healthy fantasy life!

[Sialater]

I dunno about fantasizing about making friends... unless it's being friendly with a certain L2 Staff Commander without his shirt...

[goofygoff]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I'm one of the ones that prefers ME2 over ME1. The gameplay was improved, and I really enjoyed the story. It did well to make me feel "disconnected", as if I really was trying to find my place back in the world after being dead for two years. As much as this may generate ire towards me, I'm not sure that the inclusion of Kaidan/Ashley in larger roles would have made this game better. Not for me. I like that they are not willing to sacrifice their principles just to join up with Shepard.

As far as the story goes, I do prefer the story of ME1 more; however, that's just as a stand alone story. Being as these games are part of a trilogy, I can't completely disconnect the stories. ME2 is the Empire Strikes Back of the franchise, and I'm willing to reserve final judgement of the story in its entirety until after ME3.

And, I disagree that ME2 is too linear. I've played linear RPGs before. You go to place Y after completing task X and only then does the story continue. There are no side quests. You just trudge along the path given to you. (Most jRPGs) ME2 has certain timed events that take place after you complete X number of events. You control what you do to trigger those events. The order of how I do things isn't the same order of how Sesh does it, or Sia does it. We have choice. That's not linear game play to me.

This.  All of it.

Assuming that we do get a payoff in ME3, I even like the idea of Horizon, though the execution was... *facepalm*  I do think introducing a wedge between Shep and the ME1 LI will make the overall romance arc much more rich and complex.  Without that, I fear there would have been stagnation.  Especially when (as mentioned above) that happens in single game romances.

Modifié par goofygoff, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:11 .

[goofygoff]

jtav wrote...

Yes, don't you know that only romantic love is the only thing capable of healing emotional scars. Not platonic love. Not therapy.You have to at least want to sleep with them. It's a major squick for me.

That said, I found Miranda and Thane had plenty to say without romance and their arcs came to a natural conclusion.

Sadly, you don't get much more conversation out of Garrus when you do romance him. 

But yeah, my one major gripe about ME2 is lack of friendship paths. 

[Sialater]

I suddenly feel the urge to adopt an alien.


Yeah, I really wanted more convos out of Garrus than what we're given, even as a romance.  Heck, poor Avery doesn't even get that much.

And there's almost no discussion of the aftermaths of the LMs either, for anyone. 


Sigh.

[Jean]

To be fair, Garrus does have the most unique dialogue outside the Normandy.

And... I liked both games a lot for what they were. Even working for Cerberus in the beginning makes sense to me. From a standpoint, if you just ran off as soon as you woke up, what would you do? Where would you go? In that case, you don't exactly have anything. With starting with Cerberus, you get intel, a new ship and crew, you learn the threat and you destroy it. During the game you can keep saying how bad Cerberus is or you can start "warming up" to them.

At the end, you have a choice to ****** Timmy off and blow or keep the base. Blow the base and you used Cerberus for what you needed at the time, but now it's your own turf your own way. Keeping the base, doesn't exactly endorse Cerberus, but could give you an edge but have some dire repercussions. Blowing the base could too. Nobody knows.

I was perfectly fine with Horizon and the VS incident, apart from the fact I felt like it could of been executed much better on Shepard's part.... But it worked. They need Kaidan or Ashley to be alive, no matter how easy it may be to survive the Omega 4 Relay. There has to be no way to kill them whatsoever. Meeting Liara for the first time was interesting and a bit scary since she changed so much. I like how they showed how much she changed so obviously, for better or for worse. Wrex's was well... Wrex. His was awesome.

Modifié par Batteries, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:43 .

[jillyfae]

I'm pretty sure I've still failed to bring the right people out and about to the right places to get a lot of the unique dialogue. There are too many squadmates. I don't feel like dragging them all around everywhere.

[Star]

Good morning (or afternoon for some of you by this time!)



Interesting discussion this morning. I have mixed feelings about the two MEs. I really like the improved graphics and game play aspects of ME2. In fact, when I go back to ME1 I really notice the difference.



As much as I like (ok...love) ME1 and enjoyed several of the side quests, I also felt there was a certain sameness about them. So as much as I always enjoyed the presence of a certain L2 Lieutenant, there were plenty of times I'd find myself getting bored (sacrilege I know).



I do think the ME1 story was better and I liked the team interactions so much. That's what I missed more than anything in ME2 -- convo and story. No convo between teammates, loyalty missions that essentially required Shep to be a soldier psychologist.



I just try to enjoy them both for what they are and hope that ME3 really does bring it all together including a really really satisfactory conclusion to the romances.

[Posioned]

Star58 wrote...

I just try to enjoy them both for what they are and hope that ME3 really does bring it all together including a really really satisfactory conclusion to the romances.

I agree completely.

[Star]

jillyfae wrote...

I'm pretty sure I've still failed to bring the right people out and about to the right places to get a lot of the unique dialogue. There are too many squadmates. I don't feel like dragging them all around everywhere.

What I try to do is go back to Joker after each loyalty mission and ask him what he thinks of the squad. I love the way he comments about the two you took with you in the last mission ; he has some pretty funny comments. Other than that, most of the team doesn't get out much in my games either.

[Aslanasadi]

Star58 wrote...

jillyfae wrote...

I'm pretty sure I've still failed to bring the right people out and about to the right places to get a lot of the unique dialogue. There are too many squadmates. I don't feel like dragging them all around everywhere.

What I try to do is go back to Joker after each loyalty mission and ask him what he thinks of the squad. I love the way he comments about the two you took with you in the last mission ; he has some pretty funny comments. Other than that, most of the team doesn't get out much in my games either.

Good Morning Star

I loved Joker comments, too.

And I agree with what you have said before, I mean about the both games

[Star]

Hi Aslan! I really liked getting a bit more dialogue with Joker this time around.