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fortunesque wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Quick question to yall:
On the old D&D scale of alignment where does Kaidan fall? To me he is a solid Lawful Good.

This is a good way to disect charachters and look at them in a profound way.


Neutral good, leaning a little to lawful good. 

I can't say he's 100% lawful good though because he helped Shepard commit mutiny and agreed with it in ME1.


Took the words right out of my mouth, Fort. :)

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Sialater wrote...

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It's pumped into the air of the armory.


yes.

kaidan's hair is out of control in that picture, btw.


Horizon had a gel shortage.

There was no oil leak in the gulf.  Kaidan accidently stepped on his tube of hair gel.

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We totally need to put one of these in the gutter.

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chem light wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

It's pumped into the air of the armory.


yes.

kaidan's hair is out of control in that picture, btw.


Horizon had a gel shortage.

There was no oil leak in the gulf.  Kaidan accidently stepped on his tube of hair gel.


I wonder if he even does need to use hair gel or if his magical hair just stays as it is.

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Batteries wrote...

chem light wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

It's pumped into the air of the armory.


yes.

kaidan's hair is out of control in that picture, btw.


Horizon had a gel shortage.

There was no oil leak in the gulf.  Kaidan accidently stepped on his tube of hair gel.


I wonder if he even does need to use hair gel or if his magical hair just stays as it is.

It's secretly a fro in a lunch ladies hair net. 

And everyone I have an announcment to make.  I don't know how Jho does it.  I officially hate photoshop.

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I think he'd grow a fro if he just let it keep growing.

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Kaidan with a fro, that would triple the awsome and create a time space paradox that could destroy the universe!!! BTTF FTW!



Watch that trilogy at least once, amazing films.

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While playing ME1 I'm still trying to figure out what exactly is going on there with his hair. LOL

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Quick question to yall:
On the old D&D scale of alignment where does Kaidan fall? To me he is a solid Lawful Good.

This is a good way to disect charachters and look at them in a profound way.


Hrrm.

I would say borderline Lawful Good-Neutral Good, which means Neutral Good since Lawful doesn't take that kind of compromise crap.  The Lawful is for his own benefit, I think, to avoid suspicion as a biotic, and it gives him a framework to work with.

However, he shows a lot of Neutral Good tendencies on his own.  He talks back to his superiors, and he supports Shepard no matter whether you go Lawful or Chaotic, no oaths required*.  And, on the romance path, he does get twitchy under lockdown and, uh... appreciates Shepard's capacity to do underhanded things.  (And that whole mutiny bit, as mentioned).

*Samara is Lawful Good.

Modifié par FireEye, 17 juillet 2010 - 02:21 .


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FireEye wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Quick question to yall:
On the old D&D scale of alignment where does Kaidan fall? To me he is a solid Lawful Good.

This is a good way to disect charachters and look at them in a profound way.


Hrrm.

I would say borderline Lawful Good-Neutral Good, which means Neutral Good since Lawful doesn't take that kind of compromise crap.  The Lawful is for his own benefit, I think, to avoid suspicion as a biotic, and it gives him a framework to work with.

However, he shows a lot of Neutral Good tendencies on his own.  He talks back to his superiors, and he supports Shepard no matter whether you go Lawful or Chaotic, no oaths required*.  And, on the romance path, he does get twitchy under lockdown and, uh... appreciates Shepard's capacity to do underhanded things.  (And that whole mutiny bit, as mentioned).

*Samara is Lawful Good.


He'd have to be Neutral Good, or the night before Ilos wouldn't happen.

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Kaidan needs to beard. 'Nuff said.

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Okay, what is all this alignment stuff? Chem light never DD'd or played DD.

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Sialater wrote...

He'd have to be Neutral Good, or the night before Ilos wouldn't happen.


No kidding...

Question is: is Renegade!Kaidan still Neutral Good?  Or did he hit upon True Neutral?  Or is he still good and just... a little Chaotic today?

... actually, come to think of it, that whole "The Galaxy will just keep going " bit sounded very much True Neutral.  :huh:

Modifié par FireEye, 17 juillet 2010 - 02:28 .


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chem light wrote...

Okay, what is all this alignment stuff? Chem light never DD'd or played DD.

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The alignment went as good being the top ROW, neutral being the middle row, and evil being the bottom row.
Lawful charachaters followed a code (samara)
Neutral Charachters would follow a law, when it worked (Jacob)
Chaotic charachters would do whatever they felt was best (Garrus)

Replaced now but this system was in place for a long time.

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chem light wrote...

Okay, what is all this alignment stuff? Chem light never DD'd or played DD.


The old alignment system of D&D (um.  Maybe the new one, too, I haven't played since 2nd Ed.  :whistle:) was split into three categories: Lawful (does everything by the rules), Neutral (does everything not necessarily by the rules, but not entirely by emotion), and Chaotic (does everything by emotion).  AD&D split it up further with Good & Evil.

Lawful Good is someone who does things by the rules in the pursuit of Good.  Lawful Evil is someone who does things by the rules in the pursuit of Evil.  Lawful Neutral is someone who does things by the rules because the rules are there.

Neutral Good is someone who does Good, sometimes breaking the rules to get there.  Neutral is someone who does whatever (and is hard to pin down - they tend to think that Balance is Important).  Neutral Evil is someone who does Evil, but sometimes follows the rules.

Chaotic Good is someone who tends to aim towards good, but is emotional in doing so.  Chaotic Evil is often the insane badguy routine.

And Chaotic Neutral is simply fun to play.  ^_^

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Well then, I would but Kaidan at neutral good, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to help you commandeer the Normandy. But he's really inching towards that lawful goof.



My shep is totally chaotic good.

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I like it better than the new system in 4th edition, but don't even get me started on D&D 4th edition.

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Hey guys! I'm back! Anyone want to fill me in on the chaos that has been going on around here?

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Kaidan's hair is still crazy

I got schooled on D&D alignments

And batteries got us a totally awesome water slide for the gutter.

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fortunesque wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Quick question to yall:
On the old D&D scale of alignment where does Kaidan fall? To me he is a solid Lawful Good.

This is a good way to disect charachters and look at them in a profound way.


Neutral good, leaning a little to lawful good. 

I can't say he's 100% lawful good though because he helped Shepard commit mutiny and agreed with it in ME1.


yeah.  i find the system more than a little odd, anyhow. if you're really concerned about good, then you're going to end up bending rules when rules are stupid - a la ilos run. if you're really lawful, there's times you'll do some seemingly nasty stuff to follow your code - a la samara. she's amazing, but that code of hers can be scary. so i guess i think the outer corners of that scale get conflicted fast.

so yeah, i'd say kaidan is so trying to do the right thing all the dang time that he would be a neutral good in that he's more about the good than the lawful, but thinks the lawful is the best way to accomplish the good most of the time.

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chem light wrote...

Well then, I would but Kaidan at neutral good, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to help you commandeer the Normandy. But he's really inching towards that lawful goof.
 


Indeed.  Lawful Good can be really hard to play, though - typically they are very rigid, and they can't really compromise their ideals at all.  A Lawful Good Kaidan (depending on your game master - some are more lenient than others) would love Shepard from afar and do everything to protect her, but he'd also be the first to turn on her if she stepped over the line.  Ilos wouldn't have happened, and neither would the mutiny.

... Then again, that Spectre status overrides the law.  So... loophole?  :huh:

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Did anyone else suddenly start imagining filling in appropriate ME characters over the alignments to the tune of the brady bunch theme song?

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FireEye wrote...

chem light wrote...

Well then, I would but Kaidan at neutral good, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to help you commandeer the Normandy. But he's really inching towards that lawful goof.
 


Indeed.  Lawful Good can be really hard to play, though - typically they are very rigid, and they can't really compromise their ideals at all.  A Lawful Good Kaidan (depending on your game master - some are more lenient than others) would love Shepard from afar and do everything to protect her, but he'd also be the first to turn on her if she stepped over the line.  Ilos wouldn't have happened, and neither would the mutiny.

... Then again, that Spectre status overrides the law.  So... loophole?  :huh:


Nope. The Normandy is still an Alliance vessel.

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The only people who are lawful good are Paladins. I played one who fell in love with an elf servant, and so fell into Neutral Good and lost my best talents. Hated that GM.

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FireEye wrote...

chem light wrote...

Well then, I would but Kaidan at neutral good, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to help you commandeer the Normandy. But he's really inching towards that lawful goof.
 


Indeed.  Lawful Good can be really hard to play, though - typically they are very rigid, and they can't really compromise their ideals at all.  A Lawful Good Kaidan (depending on your game master - some are more lenient than others) would love Shepard from afar and do everything to protect her, but he'd also be the first to turn on her if she stepped over the line.  Ilos wouldn't have happened, and neither would the mutiny.

... Then again, that Spectre status overrides the law.  So... loophole?  :huh:

For Shepard.  Not Kaidan . It may keep him from confronting her, but it doesn't mean he could take the same actions.