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[siriusrambles]

i never understood the implication that a shepard who chose to romance someone else did not care for kaidan. a lot has happened in the two years for him and the dying, resurrection for her essentially changing the dynamics of their previous relationship.

 

Modifié par siriusrambles, 23 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[sagefic]

Nightodie wrote...
Have Fun with whatever your doing  afk Sage, keep safe...

thanks! goin' to visit the folks. they have internet just...i'm not going to be checking the kaas with them looking over my shoulder. 

okay, in advance of 2000:



"So, just what ARE your intentions, ma'am? Are they honorable?"



"Oh."







"That was...too short. What? I have an exit scripted? What the hell? Okay, well, tell you what, I'll write you an email and let's catch up in ME3 and do this again, alright, ma'am? The kissing part, I mean, not the...yelling...I hate this colony..."

Modifié par sagequeen, 23 juillet 2010 - 04:02 .

[Aslanasadi]

@ Sage: Have a good time!

[syllogi]

siriusrambles wrote...

i never understood the implication that a shepard who chose to romance someone else did not care for kaidan. a lot has happened in the two years for him and the dying, resurrection for her essentially changing the dynamics of their previous relationship.

I can see that, but I'm *sure* there are people who looked at the night with Kaidan as a fling, and wanted to move on whether or not the Horizon scene happened.  He's just not the right type for everyone.

For my main Shepard, she cared deeply for him (loved, even if she never said it!), and understood that he was someone who wouldn't take spending the night together lightly.  And since she basically feels the same way as he does about Cerberus (and might have made the same accusations if she were in his shoes), she can't blame him for what he said on Horizon.  Right now she only can hope that they'll get a chance to talk, and make things right later.

As a player, though, my own feelings about how the game railroads Shepard into working for Cerberus definitely colors the way I look at the ME2 LIs, and the Horizon scene.  I *can't* judge the Virmire Survivor for being the only character who expresses the doubt that I feel that everyone around you should have.  So even if the romances had been perfect for me in every other way, I probably would have felt resentment towards the characters, and not been interested in doing the romance anyway. 

So basically Bioware has pushed me into staying faithful.  I guess I'm lucky that Kaidan is the best video game boyfriend EVER. 

[fortunesque]

TeenZombie wrote...

siriusrambles wrote...

i never understood the implication that a shepard who chose to romance someone else did not care for kaidan. a lot has happened in the two years for him and the dying, resurrection for her essentially changing the dynamics of their previous relationship.

I can see that, but I'm *sure* there are people who looked at the night with Kaidan as a fling, and wanted to move on whether or not the Horizon scene happened.  He's just not the right type for everyone.

For my main Shepard, she cared deeply for him (loved, even if she never said it!), and understood that he was someone who wouldn't take spending the night together lightly.  And since she basically feels the same way as he does about Cerberus (and might have made the same accusations if she were in his shoes), she can't blame him for what he said on Horizon.  Right now she only can hope that they'll get a chance to talk, and make things right later.

As a player, though, my own feelings about how the game railroads Shepard into working for Cerberus definitely colors the way I look at the ME2 LIs, and the Horizon scene.  I *can't* judge the Virmire Survivor for being the only character who expresses the doubt that I feel that everyone around you should have.  So even if the romances had been perfect for me in every other way, I probably would have felt resentment towards the characters, and not been interested in doing the romance anyway. 

So basically Bioware has pushed me into staying faithful.  I guess I'm lucky that Kaidan is the best video game boyfriend EVER. 

QFT so much. I feel the same way about ME2.

Also, I'll probably miss page 2000 today. So happy 2000... 

[siriusrambles]

teen, i love when you post in here because you say everything i want to but refrain from and much more eloquently than i ever could. kaidan's my first video game boyfriend so you'll get no argument from me that he's the best video game boyfriend EVER.

[goofygoff]

sagequeen wrote...

well, i would have agreed, but you know, having played horizon umpteen times recently fried my brain into thinking that it's also possible he didn't understand shep. he doesn't stop to find out what she's doing or why. he really does just get angry and leave, then write a "maybe." i see a lot of pain behind that, but it doesn't make his behavior right, nor does it take away the fact that he left. he left. as in him.

i think given what shep is up against, with little to no support from old allies either, it's very understandable if she decides kaidan is a jerk and moves on. it's not to say she never cared for him or understood him past tense - she just doesn't care or understand as much now. perhaps kaidan does deserve better, but so does she.

however, if she is able to care and understand, even now, then she can perhaps wait it out until she sees him. either she's waiting to see if the next reunion is better, or she's just waiting to tackle him and drag him back to the ship.

either way, i have to say that after playing multiple times and seeing multiple LI conclusions on youtube and in fanfic, i really can't condemn any one choice outright without knowing what the shep's motivations for it were. some sheps seem to be doing a "well i hate you TOO" sort of thing, which i just find childish, frankly. but there are also some pretty good justifications for moving on as well which are more mature, understandable, and reasonable.

 
QFT
 
This is a big reason why I have multiple Sheps. The one who moved on with Garrus didn’t do it out of spite. She cared for Kaidan, but in my head canon for that character, their relationship was never solidified. And so she definitely viewed Horizon as the end of something that was only really getting started before her death. She accepted his apology (or would have if she’d been able to), but decided she needed someone who’d be there for her.
 
My faithful Shep is the one who harbors the most anger, but no more at Kaidan than herself.  She eventually realizes he doesn’t have the whole story, and while hurt, can understand why he was so angry.   His e-mail gave her hope that, with time, they can work things out.
 
While I have issues with the way Horizon was executed, I really like how it was left open to interpretation. 
 
 

sesheta255 wrote...

See this is the attitude I just don't get.  I shouldn't be penalised by having Kaidan non existant in ME2 just to satisfy the petty jealousy of other people (because someone might actually get more screen time in game),  who either a) chose not to romance Kaidan and miss out on how awesome he is for whatever reason, or were so shallow and fickle that they dropped their pants for the first person who looked at them because Kaidan had the audacity to raise his voice and stick to his principles rather than follow Shepard blindly.

I'd also like to point out that this is actually the Kaidan thread and whilst we do discuss other LI's in comparison to Kaidan, I think that if you want to tell everyone how great you think a particular LI is (other than Kaidan), then you should take it to the appropriate thread.
I am not trying to point the finger at anyone or accuse the person I quoted of this.  I am merely pointing something out.  I am afraid I am not as elequant or diplomatic in my way of speaking/thinking as other people.

 
 
I love this thread, but sometimes the borderline bashing of other LIs, and certain Sheps, makes me a sad panda. Everyone has their preferences and if we all agreed on everything, it’d be boring. But please just keep in mind that some of us really like the ME2 LIs, as well. If they’re not your cup of tea, that’s totally cool – but think about how you feel when someone calls Kaidan whiny or boring when you’re using terms such as sleazy and shallow to describe other romances and Sheps.

[Nightodie]

@ Teen, Sirius & Fort- QFT in spades!!!

[Sialater]

goofygoff wrote...

 
I love this thread, but sometimes the borderline bashing of other LIs, and certain Sheps, makes me a sad panda. Everyone has their preferences and if we all agreed on everything, it’d be boring. But please just keep in mind that some of us really like the ME2 LIs, as well. If they’re not your cup of tea, that’s totally cool – but think about how you feel when someone calls Kaidan whiny or boring when you’re using terms such as sleazy and shallow to describe other romances and Sheps.

Thank you, Goff.

[Gilsa]

siriusrambles wrote...

 

I never ever get tired of seeing that picture. That really captures the essence of ME2 so beautifully. I am spoiled by seeing images of Kaidain in that armor. I really hope he's wearing something like that in ME3, lol.

[Quaay]

It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

[siriusrambles]

Quaay wrote...
It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

how do you know how phone sex operator's talk?    anything you wanna disclose.  the kaidan sanctuary is a judge free zone.

here's more eye candy gilsa...

[Nightodie]

Quaay wrote...

It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

I agree with this.  i went into ME2 with a lot of reasons to want to like Jacob... then I talked to him once, and I couldn't do it anymore.  It wasn't fair to the character he never got a chance... and it was only one glaring way that my Shepard had changed from ME to ME2 ... but it was a big one.  So other then when I had to talk to him to move the story or to get the upgrades / I didn't ask him anything cause I couldn't stand how Shepard talked to him.

[Quaay]

lol only because guys tell me that's how I sound. And one of my friends isn't allowed to play on xbox live with me anymore because his wife says I'm a succubus that seduces men with my voice. I'm innocent I swear.

[JaerWolfe]

Quaay wrote...



It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

In order to get that you would need to have individual endings for each LI for both MShep & FShep. That is most of the teams from ME1 & ME2 and whoever they add for ME3. That will never happen. It's too expensive and this game is not marketed as a dating sim. The best you will get is the caption card endings from DAO. Considering that FemShep is already shafted in the resource department, we would be lucky to get that.

I hold slim hope to the 'big payoff' for those who stayed faithful, but I am realistic enough to understand that the best HEA I get may be what I write on my own.

[Shenzi]

Quaay wrote...

It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

I never even considered Jacob's romance even before I heard any details about it.  After hearing Shep's voice the first time she asked Jacob to tell her about himself I hit reload and never went near that dialogue option again.

[Jade5233]

I'd like to understand the thoughts behind the fans of some of the other choices. Especially Thane. He seems like a more complex character (for ME2) and he's the only one romance that I had an interest in trying out. But not with my Kimbri. I made Kara for that--in love with Kaidan, hurt deeply by Horizon and gets sucked into a relationship with Thane that starts as just concern and friendship. She feels lost and needs someone to lean on and Kaidan can't do that for her at that point. But she still loves him best.

I wanted to see in ME3 what happens if there is another LI involved. So that's why I made Kara.

[Jenova65]

Shenzi wrote...

Quaay wrote...

It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

I never even considered Jacob's romance even before I heard any details about it.  After hearing Shep's voice the first time she asked Jacob to tell her about himself I hit reload and never went near that dialogue option again.

I wish so much I had done that, I ended up in that very uncomfortable break up chat with him, cos the whole thing was leaving me 

[Jade5233]

JaerWolfe wrote...

In order to get that you would need to have individual endings for each LI for both MShep & FShep. That is most of the teams from ME1 & ME2 and whoever they add for ME3. That will never happen. It's too expensive and this game is not marketed as a dating sim. The best you will get is the caption card endings from DAO. Considering that FemShep is already shafted in the resource department, we would be lucky to get that.
I hold slim hope to the 'big payoff' for those who stayed faithful, but I am realistic enough to understand that the best HEA I get may be what I write on my own.

Gosh.  I didn't think about it that concretely before.
But I hope that the ME1 LI's that have been part of the story since the start will get preferential treatment here and get a more fleshed out ending.

[goofygoff]

Quaay wrote...

I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

This. 
Especially the last line. 

[JaerWolfe]

Jade5233 wrote...



Gosh. I didn't think about it that concretely before.

But I hope that the ME1 LI's that have been part of the story since the start will get preferential treatment here and get a more fleshed out ending.

This is where BW didn't do themselves any favors making such a large and diverse team for ME2. Everyone wants their favorites to have the spotlight. Everyone has characters they really dislike and others they're simply 'meh' about.

On the other hand, ME2 drifted far from the RPG aspects and is trying to tap the Halo/MW/GoW crowd. Few of them are concerned with a fleshed out romantic ending unless it involves a lack of clothing.

My biggest hope for the ME1 LIs is that their role in ME3 includes actual character development and individuality. I don't expect they will get anything much different by way of a HEA than any other potential LI.

Am I a cynic or realist? Flip a coin.

[Jade5233]

I just hold onto this quote:

Because we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there. That means we can't have these characters that were your love interests in this suicide mission potentially getting killed and then blocking off that opportunity. They're part of the story. They're part of the ongoing love story but they're not your squad members so that we can be sure that we can bring that love story to its conclusion."

They are referring to the ME1 LI here as being an integral part of the story.  The ME2 characters weren't conceived for that.  This is what I hold onto for Ash, Liara, and Kaidan to get special treatment for their love stories in ME3.

[Aslanasadi]

Jenova65 wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Quaay wrote...

It upsets me when someone says "oh, they can die so BW won't waste resources on them in ME3" because even though all my femSheps are loyal to Kaidan I think even if only ONE femShep out there really likes Jacob they should get their happy ending too. Just please don't make me talk to him in a phone sex operator voice.

I never even considered Jacob's romance even before I heard any details about it.  After hearing Shep's voice the first time she asked Jacob to tell her about himself I hit reload and never went near that dialogue option again.

I wish so much I had done that, I ended up in that very uncomfortable break up chat with him, cos the whole thing was leaving me 

The same here...
And I still wonder what went throught the dev´s heads when the created this weird dialogue choices... I liked Jacob at the begin, but after my femshep started to act like a cat in heat... ( I  had the feeling he did not want to get involved with her that time)... I wondered if he'll pull her to court because of sexuell harassment...

[Jade5233]

I like how some of the FF authors retcon the voice that Shepard uses with Jacob--allergies/somthing in the air ducts, sick, etc.

[JaerWolfe]

Jade5233 wrote...



I just hold onto this quote:

Because we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there. That means we can't have these characters that were your love interests in this suicide mission potentially getting killed and then blocking off that opportunity. They're part of the story. They're part of the ongoing love story but they're not your squad members so that we can be sure that we can bring that love story to its conclusion."

They are referring to the ME1 LI here as being an integral part of the story. The ME2 characters weren't conceived for that. This is what I hold onto for Ash, Liara, and Kaidan to get special treatment for their love stories in ME3.

I would love for the ME1 LI to be as integral to the plot of ME3 as Carth Onasi or Bastila Shan was to KOTOR. To me, that would be the ultimate 'pay off'.