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[JaerWolfe]

Jade5233 wrote...

JaerWolfe
Will someone please put Towel Kaidan up? I need my happy place.

Oooh!  Gutter time?
Would there be a trail leading there, Jaer? 

Only a pleasure trail. I have to mark it with the whip cream 'cause bread crumbs itch.

[Sialater]

Star58 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

But using the words "cheesy and sleazy" ARE labels, Star. And negative ones.

If you don't like them, you don't like them. Say WHY. Give examples and reasons. Throwing a label on them is attacking them and their romancers.

I dislike Jacob's Romance (and, frankly, character) because femShep talks to him like a drunken cheerleader on prom night and during the romance, he talks about "button pushing," as if Shep is already (****-)teasing him, and when he is dumped he pulls emotional blackmail on her. And if you dump him for Garrus or Thane he actually calls them by derogatory slurs. That's an example.

"Jacob is sleazy," is combative and indefensible.

First -- apologies for the wall of words.

I'd like to point out that I rarely make statements about the characters or the romances and I think that if one were to search back through the thread (not that I'm suggesting anyone truly cares to do so!) you won't find that I've involved myself much if at all in such discussions or used those kinds of words. 

It seems to me as if suddenly I'm being identified as having made the original statement about cheese when in fact, all I've done is suggest that the original poster has the right to express her opinion regardless of whether or not I agree with it.  Just as I feel that each of you has the right to your opinions and feelings. 

My original point was to encourage understanding all around. I'm also for being able to express our differences. I don't agree with the statement that using a label to describe one's reaction to a romance is a  necessarily a reflection on those who do enjoy the romance. To me it just seems like a statement of difference. I honestly don't care whether one person romances someone other than Kaidan. I choose not to do so but that's simply a personal choice, not a reflection of my opinion on others. What does concern me is when others start to respond with "you" statements. That's when things tend to get personal.

"Jacob is sleazy" is a statement as is "The romances are cheezy and sleazy."  These are opinions. Yes, they can be combative if those reading them choose to make them so, but they don't have to be.  I tend to look at the underlying message which to me would simply be: the person making this statement feels strongly about it.  Since s/he gave no reasons for their thinking then there's truly nothing to discuss.  Ergo, I won't respond and it means nothing more than that.   

I like many of the characters as colleagues.  I like none of the alternerate romances.  They all feel somewhat forced, some feel awkward to me and others make me cringe.  Yes, I''m using labels.  I'm also making statements of my own personal feelings about the characters. They are not statements about others or how others feel. They are not intended to reflect on anyone in any way.  And that's what I would hope to encourage.

Offering reasons for one's dislike or discomfort is great, but again, such reasons are personal and so all we can do is offer our own rationale. And combats can and do start over "reasons" since such reasons are often personal.  And perhaps that's how we should be stating these things -- if someone feels a romance is awesome or cheesy then the statement should be "I feel the romance is cheesy" and I would hope it could be accepted as simply that person's feelings without personalization or offense taken.

So I hope my response will be perceived in the spirit intended. You may not agree with me but then again, the point is tolerance, is it not?

Exactly what I've been trying to say. 



Kaidan hugs and truce?

[FireEye]

Re: Kaidan being a fling to some Shepards

This actually confused the heck out of me the first time I saw the love scene.  Specifically the, "this can't change anything" bit.  I thought he was suggesting this was a one-time thing, which wouldn't have necessarily made it "not out of love," but was slightly disorienting coming off the tail of the "I can't lose you" bit.

So I can see where some people could think of it as not serious.


Re: The ME2 LI's

I tried getting the romances off the ground to see what they were like.  I couldn't enjoy them from the first dialogues.  I don't mind if other people enjoyed them, they're just not my thing.

Although my problem with Jacob was not Shepard's voice.  It was Jacob's attitude.  Coming out of the beginning of the game, I thought Jacob was going to be the "guy I could trust in a crowd of enemies."  Then he started being accusatory and paranoid... although the voice probably didn't help him much with that.  Then again, he does work for Cerberus, who probably accuse him of stuff and watch him all the time.

I'll have to see when the ME3 LI's roll around. 

[Jenova65]

Sialater wrote...

Star58 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

But using the words "cheesy and sleazy" ARE labels, Star. And negative ones.

If you don't like them, you don't like them. Say WHY. Give examples and reasons. Throwing a label on them is attacking them and their romancers.

I dislike Jacob's Romance (and, frankly, character) because femShep talks to him like a drunken cheerleader on prom night and during the romance, he talks about "button pushing," as if Shep is already (****-)teasing him, and when he is dumped he pulls emotional blackmail on her. And if you dump him for Garrus or Thane he actually calls them by derogatory slurs. That's an example.

"Jacob is sleazy," is combative and indefensible.

First -- apologies for the wall of words.

I'd like to point out that I rarely make statements about the characters or the romances and I think that if one were to search back through the thread (not that I'm suggesting anyone truly cares to do so!) you won't find that I've involved myself much if at all in such discussions or used those kinds of words. 

It seems to me as if suddenly I'm being identified as having made the original statement about cheese when in fact, all I've done is suggest that the original poster has the right to express her opinion regardless of whether or not I agree with it.  Just as I feel that each of you has the right to your opinions and feelings. 

My original point was to encourage understanding all around. I'm also for being able to express our differences. I don't agree with the statement that using a label to describe one's reaction to a romance is a  necessarily a reflection on those who do enjoy the romance. To me it just seems like a statement of difference. I honestly don't care whether one person romances someone other than Kaidan. I choose not to do so but that's simply a personal choice, not a reflection of my opinion on others. What does concern me is when others start to respond with "you" statements. That's when things tend to get personal.

"Jacob is sleazy" is a statement as is "The romances are cheezy and sleazy."  These are opinions. Yes, they can be combative if those reading them choose to make them so, but they don't have to be.  I tend to look at the underlying message which to me would simply be: the person making this statement feels strongly about it.  Since s/he gave no reasons for their thinking then there's truly nothing to discuss.  Ergo, I won't respond and it means nothing more than that.   

I like many of the characters as colleagues.  I like none of the alternerate romances.  They all feel somewhat forced, some feel awkward to me and others make me cringe.  Yes, I''m using labels.  I'm also making statements of my own personal feelings about the characters. They are not statements about others or how others feel. They are not intended to reflect on anyone in any way.  And that's what I would hope to encourage.

Offering reasons for one's dislike or discomfort is great, but again, such reasons are personal and so all we can do is offer our own rationale. And combats can and do start over "reasons" since such reasons are often personal.  And perhaps that's how we should be stating these things -- if someone feels a romance is awesome or cheesy then the statement should be "I feel the romance is cheesy" and I would hope it could be accepted as simply that person's feelings without personalization or offense taken.

So I hope my response will be perceived in the spirit intended. You may not agree with me but then again, the point is tolerance, is it not?

Exactly what I've been trying to say. 



Kaidan hugs and truce?

Yay! Will there be...........................

Cookies?  

[FireEye]

[Nightodie]

FireEye wrote...

Re: Kaidan being a fling to some Shepards

This actually confused the heck out of me the first time I saw the love scene.  Specifically the, "this can't change anything" bit.  I thought he was suggesting this was a one-time thing, which wouldn't have necessarily made it "not out of love," but was slightly disorienting coming off the tail of the "I can't lose you" bit.

So I can see where some people could think of it as not serious.


*Snip*

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.    Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. 

IMHO of course.

[Star]

[quote]Sialater wrote...

[Offering reasons for one's dislike or discomfort is great, but again, such reasons are personal and so all we can do is offer our own rationale. And combats can and do start over "reasons" since such reasons are often personal.  And perhaps that's how we should be stating these things -- if someone feels a romance is awesome or cheesy then the statement should be "I feel the romance is cheesy" and I would hope it could be accepted as simply that person's feelings without personalization or offense taken.

So I hope my response will be perceived in the spirit intended. You may not agree with me but then again, the point is tolerance, is it not?
[/quote]

Exactly what I've been trying to say. 



Kaidan hugs and truce?

[/quote]

Well, since tolerance is what I've been suggesting all along, it would hardly be in the spirit of things to refuse.   Kaidan hugs back.

[Jean]

Nightodie wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Re: Kaidan being a fling to some Shepards

This actually confused the heck out of me the first time I saw the love scene.  Specifically the, "this can't change anything" bit.  I thought he was suggesting this was a one-time thing, which wouldn't have necessarily made it "not out of love," but was slightly disorienting coming off the tail of the "I can't lose you" bit.

So I can see where some people could think of it as not serious.


*Snip*

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.    Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. 

IMHO of course.

...Who didn't run away when I started glowing blue.."

[Jean]

Nightodie wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Re: Kaidan being a fling to some Shepards

This actually confused the heck out of me the first time I saw the love scene.  Specifically the, "this can't change anything" bit.  I thought he was suggesting this was a one-time thing, which wouldn't have necessarily made it "not out of love," but was slightly disorienting coming off the tail of the "I can't lose you" bit.

So I can see where some people could think of it as not serious.


*Snip*

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.    Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. 

IMHO of course.

...Who didn't run away when I started glowing blue.."

[Nightodie]

@ Bat...



That isn't where I was going, but hey it works ...

[Jean]

I normally ruin things

[Nightodie]

no you don't

[Giggles_Manically]

Thats my job just ask:

Parents, Siblings, coworkers, and everyone I know.

[Cypher0020]

hi fellow kaidan fans......what did I miss?



Ok can you guys name some good ME1 sidequests? I'm doing a ME1 replay....but I only want to focus on the good ones

[Nightodie]

Cypher0020 wrote...

hi fellow kaidan fans......what did I miss?

Ok can you guys name some good ME1 sidequests? I'm doing a ME1 replay....but I only want to focus on the good ones

I can't help you, sorry... I do them all every time...

[FireEye]

Nightodie wrote...

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not  really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he  goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png  Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png

IMHO of course.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but now that you say it, I can definitely see that as the changing point. 

Batteries wrote...

...Who didn't run away when I started glowing blue.."

... sometimes you say things that I have thought and I don't know whether to be impressed or frightened.  

[FireEye]

Cypher0020 wrote...

hi fellow kaidan fans......what did I miss?

Ok can you guys name some good ME1 sidequests? I'm doing a ME1 replay....but I only want to focus on the good ones

Cerberus.

Geth.

Most of the quests involving biotics in some way.

... all of them, I guess?  :innocent:

[Nightodie]

Don't be afraid of Batteries....You're Fire!!!

[Jean]

FireEye wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not  really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he  goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png  Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png

IMHO of course.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but now that you say it, I can definitely see that as the changing point. 

Batteries wrote...

...Who didn't run away when I started glowing blue.."

... sometimes you say things that I have thought and I don't know whether to be impressed or frightened.  

I thought that when either Miranda or Jacob gets romanced you get a talk from Mordin about using Biotics to make the sex better... AT least, I think Mordin says something like that.
I just pictured someone with biotics glowing blue...

Modifié par Batteries, 23 juillet 2010 - 10:42 .

[Jade5233]

Nightodie wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Re: Kaidan being a fling to some Shepards

This actually confused the heck out of me the first time I saw the love scene.  Specifically the, "this can't change anything" bit.  I thought he was suggesting this was a one-time thing, which wouldn't have necessarily made it "not out of love," but was slightly disorienting coming off the tail of the "I can't lose you" bit.

So I can see where some people could think of it as not serious.


*Snip*

I was thinking sex can be casual these days who knows how it will be perceived 175 years.  Promiscuity happens all the time now.  I of course being old and prudish (okay so I am not really prudish, but go with me here) I think that Kiadan wanting to be in a relationship is neat.  As for him saying it can't change anything, I think her really believed it wouldn't... and then when it was over he goes to say "I've never met a woman....(fill in the blank) so I think this is the point where it changed for him.    Maybe he didn't want it to, and it did. 

IMHO of course.

I had a hard time with that statement for a long time. It bothered me that he might have been taking things more casually than he said he generally did.  How can it not change anything, you idiot?  There are feelings on both sides--it will change everything!  It was suggested that he meant that he didn't want to lose what they already had in being together day to day by trying to make the physical part a regular thing.  That meade more sense to me--more in line with his character for me.

I feel like he fell for her way back in the story, not after that night.

[Cypher0020]

when does Mordin give sex talk w/biotics?! I never got that dialogue.....I get to stare at kaidan's picture.... >.>

[Jean]

Cypher0020 wrote...

when does Mordin give sex talk w/biotics?! I never got that dialogue.....I get to stare at kaidan's picture.... >.>

I don't know, he may not even say it, I could of read it somewhere... I DON'T KNOW

[Cypher0020]

awwwww darn it. I just really wish loyal players could get more than a picture.....everyone else got their issues squared away..... why not mine? -sobs-

[FireEye]

Nightodie wrote...

Don't be afraid of Batteries....You're Fire!!!

That's a relief.  I didn't know who I was for a moment, there...

But... wait!  Batteries explode when exposed to fire! 

Batteries wrote...

I thought that when either Miranda or
Jacob gets romanced you get a talk from Mordin about using Biotics to
make the sex better... AT least, I think Mordin says something like
that. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]
I just pictured someone with biotics glowing blue... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

Heh.  :innocent:



Shepard: "Is that gonna happen every time?" 
Kaidan: "Um... yeah."
Shepard: "That is so cool!" 
Kaidan: ... *phew*

[Quaay]

youtube Biotic Sex Talk with Mordin