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freelovefreeway wrote...

Horizon worked for me...as a player.
For my Shepard and Kaidan, it was badly written, out of character, and horrible in so many ways. But as a player, it messed with me in a good way.
In the beginning of the game it was like, “I hate Cerberus. I hate that my Shepard is being forced to work with them.” Then the game goes on just a little more and it's Joker and Chakwas and you think, “Well, they're here, too.” And you meet Ken and Gabby and good people who are there to support you. And it's less about working for Cerberus and more about working for you and working for the good of the galaxy. You're just around so many supportive people who happen to be attached to Cerberus but just because of Shepard and the mission.
And at this point, I'm still hitting the, “I don't work for Cerberus/I don't like Cerberus” options every time I see them, but as a player I'm feeling more like one of the npc's that is along for the ride. Or it may have even made me feel a little of the frustrations Shepard would be feeling. I'm going through the motions of hating Cerberus but still doing everything they say, too. Although Shepard actually SHOULD have found another way.
Then Horizon hits and I realize I fell into this trap. I as a player ate up all their npc propaganda and needed to be reminded of how much I hate Cerberus. Kaidan is that reminder. He acts how I felt at the beginning of the game before Cerberus wore me down.
For the characters, I hate Shepard in Horizon. And I'm one of those that feels Kaidan was completely justified in how he reacted and I don't resent him the tiniest little bit for turning away my Shepard. I love how fiery and passionate he is and the fact that he doesn't just follow Shepard like a sheep, blah blah all the usual reactions.
But as a player, I have this additional appreciation of him for reminding me how I felt at the beginning of the game and saying all those things that I said in the beginning but then got distracted away from. In subsequent playthroughs, Horizon stayed in my mind and I was able to keep my hatred of Cerberus going strong throughout it all, but Horizon served as a necessary tool to keep me emotionally engaged in my anti-Cerberusness.


That's a good, different kind of explanation. ^_^
Though I don't know why, working for/with/whatever Cerberus never bugged me. Whenever someone asks why, I can't really give an answer since I don't know. :huh:

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Batteries wrote...
That's a good, different kind of explanation. ^_^
Though I don't know why, working for/with/whatever Cerberus never bugged me. Whenever someone asks why, I can't really give an answer since I don't know. :huh:

But after Horizon, there is the answer, "Cerberus is why Kaidan isn't with me."

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So I have a couple links for a couple polls that Mondo47 set up after a discussion on demographics and love interests for Mass Effect. She posted the links earlier in the day. I thought I'd catch a few posters from later in the day.

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freelovefreeway wrote...

Horizon worked for me...as a player.
For my Shepard and Kaidan, it was badly written, out of character, and horrible in so many ways. But as a player, it messed with me in a good way.
In the beginning of the game it was like, “I hate Cerberus. I hate that my Shepard is being forced to work with them.” Then the game goes on just a little more and it's Joker and Chakwas and you think, “Well, they're here, too.” And you meet Ken and Gabby and good people who are there to support you. And it's less about working for Cerberus and more about working for you and working for the good of the galaxy. You're just around so many supportive people who happen to be attached to Cerberus but just because of Shepard and the mission.
And at this point, I'm still hitting the, “I don't work for Cerberus/I don't like Cerberus” options every time I see them, but as a player I'm feeling more like one of the npc's that is along for the ride. Or it may have even made me feel a little of the frustrations Shepard would be feeling. I'm going through the motions of hating Cerberus but still doing everything they say, too. Although Shepard actually SHOULD have found another way.
Then Horizon hits and I realize I fell into this trap. I as a player ate up all their npc propaganda and needed to be reminded of how much I hate Cerberus. Kaidan is that reminder. He acts how I felt at the beginning of the game before Cerberus wore me down.
For the characters, I hate Shepard in Horizon. And I'm one of those that feels Kaidan was completely justified in how he reacted and I don't resent him the tiniest little bit for turning away my Shepard. I love how fiery and passionate he is and the fact that he doesn't just follow Shepard like a sheep, blah blah all the usual reactions.
But as a player, I have this additional appreciation of him for reminding me how I felt at the beginning of the game and saying all those things that I said in the beginning but then got distracted away from. In subsequent playthroughs, Horizon stayed in my mind and I was able to keep my hatred of Cerberus going strong throughout it all, but Horizon served as a necessary tool to keep me emotionally engaged in my anti-Cerberusness.


My Shepard was a sole survivor who wanted to rub Akuze in the face of every Alliance deserter on the SR2, especially Joker and Chakwas (both of whom, until then, had her respect).  Horizon didn't work for me, as a player, because we never forgot what Cerberus did.  We got annoyed at every missed oppertunity to rebel against the people who were effectively holding us against our will.  It would have worked for my Shepard, if it had been an example of what Cerberus could have been holding against her (but instead tIM apparently called Kaidan up intentionally to dump her so she wouldn't be distracted as her own personal loyalty mission?  I am unclear at that point).

Being forced to work for Cerberus could have been a great tension point, if it had been tweaked just so.  But instead Shepard goes along willingly, whether your Shepard would or not.  And they could still have us have the option to work for them, if we so choose.

I mean, come on, a control chip for us Anti-Cerberus types isn't that much to ask for over a lobotomy, is it?  :innocent:

(And I'm speaking as someone who liked Horizon... :huh:)

And because we're on a new page, some Kaidan!

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freelovefreeway wrote...

Batteries wrote...
That's a good, different kind of explanation. ^_^
Though I don't know why, working for/with/whatever Cerberus never bugged me. Whenever someone asks why, I can't really give an answer since I don't know. :huh:

But after Horizon, there is the answer, "Cerberus is why Kaidan isn't with me."


Even that doesn't bug me, actually. I'm one of the few people who kept the base too. :huh:
When ME3 comes around, it's going to be Kaidan's going to have to get over it if he wants to join me and help. If he doesnt join because of that then.. I wouldn't have much to say besides he'll have to step aside and watch from the sidelines without me, because he is not going to get in my way. I'm saving the galaxy, that's the bigger problem at the moment than Cerberus. I'm not going to hold it against him, I couldn't blame him for feeling that, but that's just how my Sheps will see it. One reason I did keep the base is for the story too.


...Please let there be no Wrex like confrontation scene... :crying:

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freelovefreeway wrote...

But after Horizon, there is the answer, "Cerberus is why Kaidan isn't with me."


And yet, Cerberus is the only reason Shepard is able to see Kaidan again at all, what with her being dead and him being the Alliance's new war hero.  :?

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FireEye wrote...

Being forced to work for Cerberus could have been a great tension point, if it had been tweaked just so.  But instead Shepard goes along willingly, whether your Shepard would or not.  And they could still have us have the option to work for them, if we so choose.


My experience pretty much demeans then interactions on Horizon to a usage of the VS (in an OOC way) as a
tool to get to me as a player. So despite the fact that I have to give Horizon credit for accomplishing this emotional reaction, I am by no means impressed. There could have been better ways to do the same thing. And I don't even know that it was at all intended.

I'm also annoyed with myself for every softening to Cerberus in the first place. My Shepard wouldn't have gone along with any of it.

FireEye wrote...

And yet, Cerberus is the only reason Shepard is able to see Kaidan again at all, what with her being dead and him being the Alliance's new war hero.  :?


Yeah, you gotta give them credit for that.

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To be fair?  I didn't even notice Kaidan was angry at us until after the encounter was over and the debriefing was going on.  I was that happy to see him alive (considering I figured they were going to kill him off for the emotional impact or whatever).

I guess Shepard's stoned and out of it responses were a pretty accurate depiction of my brain being elsewhere at the time.  XD

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freelovefreeway wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Being forced to work for Cerberus could have been a great tension point, if it had been tweaked just so.  But instead Shepard goes along willingly, whether your Shepard would or not.  And they could still have us have the option to work for them, if we so choose.


My experience pretty much demeans then interactions on Horizon to a usage of the VS (in an OOC way) as a
tool to get to me as a player. So despite the fact that I have to give Horizon credit for accomplishing this emotional reaction, I am by no means impressed. There could have been better ways to do the same thing. And I don't even know that it was at all intended.

I'm also annoyed with myself for every softening to Cerberus in the first place. My Shepard wouldn't have gone along with any of it.

FireEye wrote...

And yet, Cerberus is the only reason Shepard is able to see Kaidan again at all, what with her being dead and him being the Alliance's new war hero.  :?


Yeah, you gotta give them credit for that.


I don't know if it as much as having a problem with Cerberus as it is having a problem with the Illusive Man. :blush: Granted, he's an awesome character.

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freelovefreeway wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Being forced to work for Cerberus could have been a great tension point, if it had been tweaked just so.  But instead Shepard goes along willingly, whether your Shepard would or not.  And they could still have us have the option to work for them, if we so choose.


My experience pretty much demeans then interactions on Horizon to a usage of the VS (in an OOC way) as a
tool to get to me as a player. So despite the fact that I have to give Horizon credit for accomplishing this emotional reaction, I am by no means impressed. There could have been better ways to do the same thing. And I don't even know that it was at all intended.

I'm also annoyed with myself for every softening to Cerberus in the first place. My Shepard wouldn't have gone along with any of it.

FireEye wrote...

And yet, Cerberus is the only reason Shepard is able to see Kaidan again at all, what with her being dead and him being the Alliance's new war hero.  :?


Yeah, you gotta give them credit for that.


I don't know if it as much as having a problem with Cerberus as it is having a problem with the Illusive Man. :blush: Granted, he's an awesome character.

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Good Evening Everyone, The Night Crew is back Online.

I have not read through the posts yet, but I am here....

Hoping for a peaceful night at work tonight so...

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Be Safe!!!
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UrbanPhoenix wrote...

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Suave Remnants  by someone I am not talking to

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You are being mean...The next chapter is going to make you happy.


If I was talking to you I would tell you that I am not being mean ... You are trying to drive me crazy .... AND I AM NOT GOING THERE!!!!

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omg, a wrex confrontation scene with me1 LI would be frickin....

how to finish this sentence?. i want to say that would be awful, but in a sick way, i'm intrigued.

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sagequeen wrote...

omg, a wrex confrontation scene with me1 LI would be frickin....

how to finish this sentence?. i want to say that would be awful, but in a sick way, i'm intrigued.


I feel the same...

AND WHY DO MY FAVORITE CHARACTER NEVER MAKE IT IN THE OPENING OR ENDING VIDEOS MADE FOR THE SERIES >:C <_<

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Hi Kadianites........did I miss anything important??



*blinks*

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given the status of the Virmire survivors...everything is important...who knows what we might miss..

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Has there been a date given for when the Liara DLC will release? My comp is sucking.



Keith David is speaking on tv in a commercial! I feel like a sad pathetic nerd!

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good morning fellow Kaidanites,

back from a crazy festival weekend. my body aches but it was all worth it. been trying to catch up with everything but I think that's pretty pointless to even try lol.

started a ME1 renegade PT yesterday and i'm trying VERY hard to not romance Kaidan this time. Tough, VERY tough, let me tell you.

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Batteries wrote...

Keith David is speaking on tv in a commercial! I feel like a sad pathetic nerd!


Compared to Keith David, everybody is a sad pathetic nerd?  XD

sagequeen wrote...

omg, a wrex confrontation scene with me1 LI would be frickin....

how to finish this sentence?. i want to say that would be awful, but in a sick way, i'm intrigued.


"If done well, it would be awesome.  Keyword, if."?

I dunno.  Part of me still thinks that if they were "saved" it was for some heroic sacrifice that means absolutely nothing in order to prove Shepard being awesome.  <_<

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FireEye wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Keith David is speaking on tv in a commercial! I feel like a sad pathetic nerd!


Compared to Keith David, everybody is a sad pathetic nerd?  XD

sagequeen wrote...

omg, a wrex confrontation scene with me1 LI would be frickin....

how to finish this sentence?. i want to say that would be awful, but in a sick way, i'm intrigued.


"If done well, it would be awesome.  Keyword, if."?

I dunno.  Part of me still thinks that if they were "saved" it was for some heroic sacrifice that means absolutely nothing in order to prove Shepard being awesome.  <_<


He did teach that you never mess with a man's fries!

I wouldn't mind a scene as such, but if it happens it wouldn't make sense for what they keeps trying to make out. The VS is supposed to play an important role, they were "saved" for a reason from the second game's last mission. If I just run back into Kaidan and gets a standoff where he can die, what was the point? Now if it happens later in a "Shepard, we need to talk.." scene.... Well, damn. I'm not sure what to think would stem after that. I would like to hear some "Shepard, what the hell were you thinking!? You gave the base to Cerberus!" banter.


Either way I assume Shepard will solve everybody's problems, save a universe that is too full of itself to save itself and end up an old, senile lady with PTSD and 9 cats.

:wizard:

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Morning Cypher!

Morning Jane!

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Good Morning everyone around here:)

I tried to catch on here a littel bit:)

I like Ashley´s character very much, too. Like that she say what she thinks and I never had a problem with her because of her believe or that she was skeptical about aliens first...

Horizon is awful, but at least the VS is alive and it's a little bit like in some of the movies ... They come togehter... get seperated... and in the end .... a Happy End... at least I hope so;)

A confrontation scene with Wrex... that would make my Shep cry ;)

@ Batt I like your femsheps :)

So and now I`m getting me a coffee...need it before I leave for work :)


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A very good morning everyone!

*happy Baal is happy* ^^

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Morning Baal! ;)



Being happy is always good :D

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Ok totally weird question.....



should I replay my ME1 file w/Kaidan or replay my ME2 file w/Kaidan?