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[Sialater]

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."


I'm kidding, of course.  But I've realized in fiction, there's not much difference in outlook between men and women.  There are some thought processes that are different, such as more gutter thoughts, though depending on your female character thats not a difference. 

I've had men Beta my Kaidan chapters (they have to not have a prejudice against the guy, first) and I've been told they're pretty masculine sounding, so ....

Modifié par Sialater, 27 juillet 2010 - 06:12 .

[sagefic]

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."

<_< kyrie wants to beat jack for saying that...

but as neither of my main chars are looking too good right now, i don't know. it might fit both kyrie AND kaidan...

Chapter 38 is up. the bomb starts to drop...

[Cypher0020]

Oooooo As Good as It Gets, I think good movie



hmmmmmm will think on that

[Jade5233]

Batteries wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Good Morning all
Wow a lot went on here last night.

@Kaidan as a vegetarian?  No way.  Wouldn't be able to keep up with the caloric demands, medically speaking.

Sorry for starting up the whole Horizon debate again right before going to bed.  I think I have this love/hate thing with the scene.  Currently I've been reading sage's FF and her Kaidan's being so....stubborn he's making me angry.  And down.
I always hate these parts in stories--where the lovers are emotionally separated like this.  Especially when the man is doing it for "the right reasons" in his own mind.
Edward leaves Bella--I still get mad over that one and don't like reading New Moon
Angel leaves Buffy--I never forgave him for it.  I like her better with Spike.
Jondalar won't make a committment to Aayla (Clan of the Cave Bear series--Mammoth Hunters)
Even in Austen:  Wentworth trying to go on with his life and rubbing Anne's nose in it (Persuasion--at least he's more coherent in his writing than Kaidan).  And Edmund wanting Fanny, having molded her personality to be a perfect compliment to his, but looking elsewhere.
And we have sooooo long before we get a resolution to this and no guarantee that its going to be a happy one.

Oz left Willow. That made me

Yeah.  that one too.  And it doesn't reall get a happy resolution like some of the others above. 

[Jean]

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

Neither have I,(well, not really one) but I think if I get bored and just start typing I write him pretty well. I keep him more quiet, controlled, and usually in the form of awkward (no fluff or sexual things, plaz ) conversations with said person on Normandy or said planet in.. said circumstances. I don't like writing much anything anyways, it's just silly stuff for when I'm bored to make some time pass and go eat a plum after or something.

Modifié par Batteries, 27 juillet 2010 - 06:15 .

[jillyfae]

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

ok how do people write kaidan? I opt for the more emotional side, yet can be stern when it comes to his duties....

really want to write shepard and kaidan as parents though

Truthfully... I use my husband to fill in the blanks the writers give us in Kaidan's character. 

I imagine Sbarge's voice in my head and make up sh*t? 

Seriously, he's an odd amalgam of the bit we get in the game, my husband, some Ender's Game inspired imaginary background, some gentlemanly-Austen-y manners, and a little bit of Winchester attitude, since he's good at kicking evil's ass and he knows it.  (Cuz my top romantic male leads?  Darcy, Wentworth, and Dean Winchester.  Yes, I'm a bit of a weirdo.)  That was so not helpful, I bet.  Sorry. 

[Sialater]

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."

<_< kyrie wants to beat jack for saying that...

but as neither of my main chars are looking too good right now, i don't know. it might fit both kyrie AND kaidan...

Chapter 38 is up. the bomb starts to drop...

I sympathize, but he's right to a certain extent.... There's not much difference when you're writing an opposite gender character.  Take away a few things, add something else... What you add or subtract depends on your particular character.

[Sialater]

jillyfae wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

ok how do people write kaidan? I opt for the more emotional side, yet can be stern when it comes to his duties....

really want to write shepard and kaidan as parents though

Truthfully... I use my husband to fill in the blanks the writers give us in Kaidan's character. 

I imagine Sbarge's voice in my head and make up sh*t? 

Seriously, he's an odd amalgam of the bit we get in the game, my husband, some Ender's Game inspired imaginary background, some gentlemanly-Austen-y manners, and a little bit of Winchester attitude, since he's good at kicking evil's ass and he knows it.  (Cuz my top romantic male leads?  Darcy, Wentworth, and Dean Winchester.  Yes, I'm a bit of a weirdo.)  That was so not helpful, I bet.  Sorry. 

Dean Winchester.... ~drool~


Ahem.  Scuse me... what were we talking about?

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."

<_< kyrie wants to beat jack for saying that...

but as neither of my main chars are looking too good right now, i don't know. it might fit both kyrie AND kaidan...

Chapter 38 is up. the bomb starts to drop...

I sympathize, but he's right to a certain extent.... There's not much difference when you're writing an opposite gender character.  Take away a few things, add something else... What you add or subtract depends on your particular character.

I'm usually much better at writing males then females since I don't understand the majority of women half the time.
I've been slapped with "YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW/WHAT I AM THINKING/FEELING RIGHT NOW" and proceeded to scratch my head with present men at that accusation.

[Sialater]

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."

<_< kyrie wants to beat jack for saying that...

but as neither of my main chars are looking too good right now, i don't know. it might fit both kyrie AND kaidan...

Chapter 38 is up. the bomb starts to drop...

I sympathize, but he's right to a certain extent.... There's not much difference when you're writing an opposite gender character.  Take away a few things, add something else... What you add or subtract depends on your particular character.

I'm usually much better at writing males then females since I don't understand the majority of women half the time.
I've been slapped with "YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW/WHAT I AM THINKING/FEELING RIGHT NOW" and proceeded to scratch my head with present men at that accusation.

I don't write girly women and I can't write straight romances to save my life.  I have to have a kick ass chick to hold my attention and an interesting guy to hold her attention.

[JaerWolfe]

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

I am also not a guy and have never been in a relationship. Hasn't stopped my writing so far, lol.

[sagefic]

hmmm... if we're talking characterization in general, i'm not terribly helpful. characters show up in my head fully formed. if i piece them back out, i see influences from real life, but mostly they are just...them. wow, that's not helpful.

i often run my male characters by my husband though for major moments where i'm afraid i might be out of character and he often gives some advice that comes down to "they might think it out afterwards, but at the time, i think they'd just react."

so....? honestly i think i sometimes feel more like i understand kaidan than shep.

edit: also, i am a girl who has frequently been told by my girl friends that i remind them of a guy. this always confused the hell out of me. my husband laughed at that. i suppose it's because i am pretty logical and not very over emotional - most days.

Modifié par sagequeen, 27 juillet 2010 - 06:28 .

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

see I feel I can never write him properly... I'm not a guy for one, and two I've never been in a relationship....so I have no idea how to write one...

I fail.

To paraphrase a Jack Nicholson movie, "I take a woman and remove all reason and accountablility."

<_< kyrie wants to beat jack for saying that...

but as neither of my main chars are looking too good right now, i don't know. it might fit both kyrie AND kaidan...

Chapter 38 is up. the bomb starts to drop...

I sympathize, but he's right to a certain extent.... There's not much difference when you're writing an opposite gender character.  Take away a few things, add something else... What you add or subtract depends on your particular character.

I'm usually much better at writing males then females since I don't understand the majority of women half the time.
I've been slapped with "YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW/WHAT I AM THINKING/FEELING RIGHT NOW" and proceeded to scratch my head with present men at that accusation.

I don't write girly women and I can't write straight romances to save my life.  I have to have a kick ass chick to hold my attention and an interesting guy to hold her attention.

Yeeees as am I. Even psychically, when I actually do describe them, I can't do "SUPAH HAWT BOD WITH BIGS ******'NASS SUPAH STAR EYES!"
In fact, I usually make them pretty meh looking in comparison. Same with the guy, usually. Then again, the views of what makes woman attractive and what makes men attractive seems to very different, or I am just looking too much into it.

[Jean]

sagequeen wrote...

hmmm... if we're talking characterization in general, i'm not terribly helpful. characters show up in my head fully formed. if i piece them back out, i see influences from real life, but mostly they are just...them. wow, that's not helpful.

i often run my male characters by my husband though for major moments where i'm afraid i might be out of character and he often gives some advice that comes down to "they might think it out afterwards, but at the time, i think they'd just react."

so....? honestly i think i sometimes feel more like i understand kaidan than shep.

That's why writing him is so easy for me.

Modifié par Batteries, 27 juillet 2010 - 06:38 .

[Cypher0020]

Ok more randomness... I was watching Pride and Prejudice... and don't Shep and Kaidan fit Lizzie and Darcy perfectly?



and to think I had the hots for Mr. Wickham.....the JERK!

[Sialater]

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't write girly women and I can't write straight romances to save my life.  I have to have a kick ass chick to hold my attention and an interesting guy to hold her attention.

Yeeees as am I. Even psychically, when I actually do describe them, I can't do "SUPAH HAWT BOD WITH BIGS ******'NASS SUPAH STAR EYES!"
In fact, I usually make them pretty meh looking in comparison. Same with the guy, usually. Then again, the views of what makes woman attractive and what makes men attractive seems to very different, or I am just looking too much into it.

Meg, Avery (and Moira) are not the prettiest girls on the block.  They're beautiful because their personalities make them so.  They're not actually all that exotic looking.  Meghan may be the most classically pretty one, but even then, she's cute, not drop dead bombshell pinup girl girl sexy.

[Jean]

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't write girly women and I can't write straight romances to save my life.  I have to have a kick ass chick to hold my attention and an interesting guy to hold her attention.

Yeeees as am I. Even psychically, when I actually do describe them, I can't do "SUPAH HAWT BOD WITH BIGS ******'NASS SUPAH STAR EYES!"
In fact, I usually make them pretty meh looking in comparison. Same with the guy, usually. Then again, the views of what makes woman attractive and what makes men attractive seems to very different, or I am just looking too much into it.

Meg, Avery (and Moira) are not the prettiest girls on the block.  They're beautiful because their personalities make them so.  They're not actually all that exotic looking.  Meghan may be the most classically pretty one, but even then, she's cute, not drop dead bombshell pinup girl girl sexy.

[JaerWolfe]

Sialater wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't write girly women and I can't write straight romances to save my life.  I have to have a kick ass chick to hold my attention and an interesting guy to hold her attention.

Yeeees as am I. Even psychically, when I actually do describe them, I can't do "SUPAH HAWT BOD WITH BIGS ******'NASS SUPAH STAR EYES!"
In fact, I usually make them pretty meh looking in comparison. Same with the guy, usually. Then again, the views of what makes woman attractive and what makes men attractive seems to very different, or I am just looking too much into it.

Meg, Avery (and Moira) are not the prettiest girls on the block.  They're beautiful because their personalities make them so.  They're not actually all that exotic looking.  Meghan may be the most classically pretty one, but even then, she's cute, not drop dead bombshell pinup girl girl sexy.

One of the things I love to do in my fics is have my Shep look terrible...blotchy faced, covered in sand, whatever...and have Kaidan think to himself how beautiful she looks. To my way of thinking all of my Shep's beauty is in her personality and Kaidan's eyes.

[Mustadieau]

quick pic... my wife is on these forums a lot and she had a good idea for a quick 3 or 4 page Shenko comic and I'm drawing it...these are quick sketches of the characters for practice before I get down to drawing the actual story.



Yo I don't even know how to post a pic up.

Modifié par Mustadieau, 27 juillet 2010 - 07:00 .

[jillyfae]

Ella's convinced she's awkward looking, and has no conception of her effect on people. That said, she's not really technically pretty either. Striking, attractive, graceful ... not 'pretty' or 'cute'. Wide jaw, large-ish/hooked nose, really dark opaque eyes. I'd share, but I have yet to get her to look right in game. *sighs*

[Sialater]

She sounds like she and Avery could be sisters, Jilly.

[jillyfae]

JaerWolfe wrote...
One of the things I love to do in my fics is have my Shep look terrible...blotchy faced, covered in sand, whatever...and have Kaidan think to himself how beautiful she looks. To my way of thinking all of my Shep's beauty is in her personality and Kaidan's eyes.

So this.

One of my frat brothers had a story, about looking forward to going back to a reunion with a beautiful woman on his arm, which absolutely offended a friend of ours who thought he was talking in a vain/impress-my-old-classmates sort of way, but I absolutely melted because I realized he was talking about taking the woman he loved, so of course she'd be the most beautiful woman in the room to him.  I'm such a ridiculous romantic.

[sagefic]

Mustadieau wrote...

quick pic... my wife is on these forums a lot and she had a good idea for a quick 3 or 4 page Shenko comic and I'm drawing it...these are quick sketches of the characters for practice before I get down to drawing the actual story.

http://th05.devianta...obodysleeps.jpg

dawww...

re: looks. i must have made a bazillion sheps before i hit on one i liked. would have to play through eden prime so many times to check out face angles, etc. kyrie just...passed the test, i guess. to me, she looked great in animations, but she had this sort of...hardness to her that i liked. so, her appearance ended up helping me write the character.

incidentally, my hubby started a femshep, and couldn't make a face he liked. he found some site that had the "best" femshep face - as in, the average of all highest rated femshep faces on the facecode database. used that and tweaked it. i'm curious how kyrie compares. she often looks a lot like the "other" femsheps, other than her jawline.

[jillyfae]

Sialater wrote...

She sounds like she and Avery could be sisters, Jilly.

Ok, that amused me for all the wrong reasons.  Wrong Shepard-sister!

Um, yes, sorry.  on topic:



Look!  Kaidan with a pretty Shepard! 

[Sialater]

jillyfae wrote...

Sialater wrote...

She sounds like she and Avery could be sisters, Jilly.

Ok, that amused me for all the wrong reasons.  Wrong Shepard-sister!

Um, yes, sorry.  on topic:



Look!  Kaidan with a pretty Shepard! 

LOL, I know.  Meg and Ella were the ones separated at birth.