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[*Kioux*]

@Fire:
I agree and often enough it works for me. BW is quite capable of pulling my strings... at least in certain situations. But I won't give up and I will hand out a little bit of faith to BW, a sign of good will. They have shown how good they can be... and I really hope that they will show it again. To add another quote: "There is always hope!"


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Top of the page. Here is my beloved battleworn Kaidan... *cheers Jho*

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Modifié par Kioux, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:35 .

[FireEye]

*wibble*

[Jade5233]

Kioux wrote...

Totally no Kaidan dying in ME3!!!
He will be invincible and rescrewtable and loving and caring and... just Kaidan! *sighs*

@Jade: Yes, I know. BW actually proved that they CAN make good love/sex scenes... was sad to see that there was so little effort for ME2.

At least we didn't get gipped out of a good Kaidan scene.  Only the other guys.  meh.  {Trying to put a positive spin on it}

And I would hope that BW would make it possible to have a good romantic outcome--perhaps not for all playthroughs--like with DA.  My elf mage got socked in the gut by Alistair.  But I played through another time as a human and all was good.  I would at least like there to be a good ending possible with Kaidan where he and Shep ride off into the sunset.

[Estelindis]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I've been replaying ME1, and I was reminded about how Kaidan has been holding back on his true potential. That is probably why we don't see cut scenes of him showing off his biotics. Kaidan's for one, is not a show off and two, he's afraid to really let lose in ME1. He may grow to let go a bit over the course of ME1, but I don't think we've seen his full awesomeness yet.

I wonder if in the ME3 we're going to see him at his peak.

I agree.  It's one of the many differences between Kaidan and Jack.  Although they both have some trauma in their pasts, it worked out quite differently for him.  Possibly because he had a family and knew he was cared for?  He manages to ground himself after his time in BAaT, whereas Jack's brutal experiences cause her to pretty much lose any faith she might have once had in human nature and make her feel like she has to prove herself to the world with her big, showy, power-heavy moves.  Kaidan's always kept his biotics relatively low-key.

Or maybe it's the fact that losing control led to something he didn't want, whereas unleashing her power has always given Jack a sense of strength and safety?

Alenko wrote...
Been reading a lot of fanfics and i noticed
that quite a few of the writers have a femshep who is biotic and can
relate to Kaidan more because of it.

So it got me thinking how
you guys prefer to do the romance and what backgrounds and classes do
you choose to play with. And do you think it effects how you see/feel
about the romance.

I too have noticed this.  The most popular class for a FemShep who loves Kaidan, at least in fanfic, tends to be Vanguard.

Personally, though, I play an Infiltrator, so my Shep and Kaidan have tech in common rather than biotics.  Any "shop talk" they engage in tends towards geekiness.  Also, because (rightly or wrongly) I see the Infiltrator as the most "special forces" of all the classes, I emphasise the classified aspect of my Shepard's career.  She's been on a lot of missions she can't talk about, so she tends towards reserve - something else she has in common with Kaidan.  How they ended up opening up to each other is still something of a mystery to me!

[syllogi]

Morning all!

Sage, I don't say it enough, I really love your Valkyrie's story. The last chapter really did a great job at dissecting Horizon and Kaidan's email.

Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

As for biotic characters and romancing Kaidan, I just loved biotics in ME1, and though I feel extremely frustrated by the mechanics and powers offered in ME2, I still always play as a Vanguard or Adept. It's harder now, especially as a Vanguard, but it's still fun. Having that in common with Kaidan is just icing on the cake.

Oh, and:

Modifié par TeenZombie, 30 juillet 2010 - 12:43 .

[Estelindis]

TeenZombie wrote...
Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

Yes, I want to have the option for my Shepard to apologise.  Her writing on Horizon was awful.  Then again, I don't know if Bioware realise how awful so many of us find it, so maybe they'll just act like all the blame *should* fall on Kaidan. 

[FireEye]

TeenZombie wrote...

Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

I think the best way for them to do it would be to have both Shepard and Kaidan apologize, maybe even a little ambiguously.  That way, people who work for Cerberus because it's the best option and people who feel Cerberus/Horizon was forced can both get/give their apologies and everybody can be happy.

... Kaidan will probably just fall back into line though, if he's a squadmate again.  Shepard is that magical. 

[Shenzi]

TeenZombie wrote...

Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

The way Horizon was written I think they both need to accept some of the blame. I despise Horizon mostly for Shep's crappy dialogue but both characters said things that need to be addressed before they can move past it. 

I highly doubt BW will handle it with the sensitivity required, but as it was said yesterday - that's why we have fic!

[FireEye]

Yay, fic! 

[Aslanasadi]

Shenzi wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

The way Horizon was written I think they both need to accept some of the blame. I despise Horizon mostly for Shep's crappy dialogue but both characters said things that need to be addressed before they can move past it. 

I highly doubt BW will handle it with the sensitivity required, but as it was said yesterday - that's why we have fic!

This.

Btw ... Good Afternoon everyone

[Shenzi]

Estelindis wrote...

Alenko wrote...
Been reading a lot of fanfics and i noticed
that quite a few of the writers have a femshep who is biotic and can
relate to Kaidan more because of it.

So it got me thinking how
you guys prefer to do the romance and what backgrounds and classes do
you choose to play with. And do you think it effects how you see/feel
about the romance.

I too have noticed this.  The most popular class for a FemShep who loves Kaidan, at least in fanfic, tends to be Vanguard.

Personally, though, I play an Infiltrator, so my Shep and Kaidan have tech in common rather than biotics.  Any "shop talk" they engage in tends towards geekiness.  Also, because (rightly or wrongly) I see the Infiltrator as the most "special forces" of all the classes, I emphasise the classified aspect of my Shepard's career.  She's been on a lot of missions she can't talk about, so she tends towards reserve - something else she has in common with Kaidan.  How they ended up opening up to each other is still something of a mystery to me!

I'm one of the most inexperienced fic writers out there so when I picked one of my toons to write about I based it on my vanguard over my other toons (Sentinel, Adept & solider) for a two mains reasons. 
1) Just because I love the class and had the most fun with it
2)  I found her personality to be the best counter to Kaidan's which is based on how I played her, slightly insane at times (maybe more than a little). I know for me, writing a character that's a lot different than Kaidan has given me more to work with than if I picked someone with a similar personality to Kaidan's.
At the time choose to write about Kate in April I wasn't really conscious of the fact that many other fic Shep's were vanguards. I've added more specific mentions of the class to my fic as we've discussed our crazy Vanguards on the thread.   I also didn't have that many openings to bring it up in my fic in the early chapters besides the odd reference here or there.

Modifié par Shenzi, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:21 .

[jillyfae]

Vanguard is a really good balance with Sentinel while you're playing the game... Alenko does tech, Shepard's got a boomstick and higher combat stats, and they both throw people around w/the biotics.

I admit, I do really like the dynamic between Kaidan and Catherine the Infiltrator, however, because part of the appeal for him is the fact that, despite having no experience with them, she is completely unafraid of his biotics. Which is almost as rare as getting to be w/another biotic a la Vanguard Shepard, so works really well.

[Shenzi]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Stemming from the email/Horizon, here's a question: do you *want* to have the option to have Shepard apologize to Kaidan in ME3? Do you think he deserves an apology at all? Would you be satisfied if he doesn't apologize face to face this time?

The way Horizon was written I think they both need to accept some of the blame. I despise Horizon mostly for Shep's crappy dialogue but both characters said things that need to be addressed before they can move past it. 

I highly doubt BW will handle it with the sensitivity required, but as it was said yesterday - that's why we have fic!

This.

Btw ... Good Afternoon everyone

Hi Aslan


As much as I hate Horizon, all the discussions over the last few weeks regarding it has really made me analyze it  a lot more. 
I still hate the scene and view it as mainly a cheesy plot device to give the player an excuse to try out other romances but I think I understand it from both characters viewpoints a lot better now.

[sesheta255]

My main shepard is an adept (spacer, war hero - boring I know) purely because having tried all the classes in ME1 that was the one I liked the most and that suited my playing style best. I actually didn't give any thought to what class would comliment/be complimented by Kaidan's abilities, lol.

Most of my other characters tend to be either adepts or sentinels, and they are the classes I enjoy playing the most.

The Shepard in my random stupidity fics is more a generic Shepard rather than my main one, but she is an adept and a spacer(because I can bring her mother into r/s at some point, lol). what I call my more normal fics tend to feature my main Shepard, Jade. She is slightly crazy (but thats because I am) and has a temper, although she is paragon, lol

[Aslanasadi]

My first shepard was a soldier (my son told me to start with a soldier to get a feeling for the game), then I tried Infiltrator and Adept and now Vanguard. My favorites are Infiltrator and Vanguard...

In my current playthroughs my Infiltrator got also throw... which is pretty handy and my Vanguard is using overload (hope I used the right word)... I love to use biotic powers in combat... throwing and lifting are really fun ...

[WhoKnew]

Horizon was very frustrating. I was expecting some....well, dialogue that wasn't so cold, in some respects. You can't really blame Kaidan/Ashley for reacting they way they did. I wanted to strangle my Shep.



I usually play as Earth Born/Sole Survivor Shep...very angsty, haha. Good for fan fiction. I usually play as an adept, too but that's just because it's fun in ME2. Heavy Singularity...'nuff said.

[Sialater]

I play Adepts and Vanguards because I prefer them. My choosing those classes has nothing to do with Kaidan. After three years and 12 Shepards, I've tried them all. I found Soldier and Engineer boring and I just couldn't get my head into Sentinel or Infiltrator. I prefer the game play with the careful Adepts and the reckless Vanguards. And I even like ME2's biotics.



For my Shepards, they treat their biotcs (and everyone else's) not as something that marks them apart, but as tools to be utilized. Hell, Meg even said in her last Log, she forgets she's just that different from most people.



I write them with how their classes infuse their personalities. Not how their personalities required their classes. (If that makes sense.)





Meg's an Earthborn Sole Survivor Vanguard. She was meant to be nuts from the very beginning, to paraphrase Top Gun: she's not happy unless she's going at Mach 5 with her hair on fire.



Avery's a Colonist War Hero Adept. She's the cautious good girl with a tragic childhood. She's driven to save everyone she can from her own fate.

[Estelindis]

Shenzi wrote...
I'm one of the most inexperienced fic writers out there so when I picked one of my toons to write about I based it on my vanguard over my other toons (Sentinel, Adept & solider) for a two mains reasons. 
1) Just because I love the class and had the most fun with it
2)  I found her personality to be the best counter to Kaidan's which is based on how I played her, slightly insane at times (maybe more than a little). I know for me, writing a character that's a lot different than Kaidan has given me more to work with than if I picked someone with a similar personality to Kaidan's.

I do quite enjoy your fic, by the way.    I just find it great that so many people connect Shepard's personality with her fighting style.  My infiltrator, usually fighting from a distance, is quite reserved.  And those who play vanguards tend to make them more emotionally intense, what with all that up-close shotgun glory.    I think this is excellent, because it fights against story-gameplay segregation.  One's abilities and fighting style are a part of oneself - I like seeing one reflecting the other.

I mean, when ME2 came around, I considered changing my Shepard to be a Sentinel or an Engineer, but I just couldn't do it, because her class is such a part of who she is - and I didn't think the game would give any roleplaying reaction to the sudden change to biotics, if I'd chosen Sentinel.  I'd have to imagine the moment where Garrus or Tali react with surprise upon seeing my Shep using Warp or Throw!  I mean, to a certain extent we have to imagine a lot of our RPing in this game anyway...  So much of what we see in Kaidan, Shepard, and the rest of the crew is reading between the lines.  But occasionally I come up against something where I feel I have to reach too far, or pretend *against* the game, and I try to avoid it.  (Like FemShep's flirtiness with Jacob...  I just pretend it doesn't happen, but I don't like that I have to pretend so much!)

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:48 .

[jillyfae]

@Estelindis: I have never been able to give one of my Shepard's a bonus talent that didn't fit his/her class for exactly that reason. Ella is no good at tech, so however nice it would be to have overload it makes no /sense/. And Catherine gets no biotics, etc. I will sometimes stuff a combat/weapon/ammo power on an odd class, though, just because all Shepard's have gone through N training, so ought to be highly combat effective.

[Estelindis]

jillyfae wrote...
I have never been able to give one of my Shepard's a bonus talent that didn't fit his/her class for exactly that reason.

I feel exactly the same way.  Useful as a biotic bonus talent would be, I just can't give one to my Shepard because it wouldn't fit in with who she is.  (Though if I could have taken Overload as a bonus talent in ME2, I would have!  I was so annoyed that my Infiltrator had been able to use this in ME1 but not in ME2.  But at least she did get AI Hacking, which was the bonus talent I would have given her in ME1 if, you know, she wasn't the first character i'd brought through the game - and you can't add on the talent later, it has to be at character creation.  At least that was another thing ME2 got right: the ability to retrain.  As long as one retrains abilities that are in-character, I think this is great.)

The thing is, in terms of Kaidan, he's got such a wide range of abilities that I'm actually fairly stuck as to what talent *wouldn't* suit him.  I suppose any of the inferno / incincerator ones don't strike me as very Kaidan-ish, in spite of them being tech powers.  Watching enemies scream as they burn to death just doesn't seem like him, to put it mildly!

[jillyfae]

Estelindis wrote...

I feel exactly the same way.  Useful as a biotic bonus talent would be, I just can't give one to my Shepard because it wouldn't fit in with who she is.  (Though if I could have taken Overload as a bonus talent in ME2, I would have!  I was so annoyed that my Infiltrator had been able to use this in ME1 but not in ME2.  But at least she did get AI Hacking, which was the bonus talent I would have given her in ME1 if, you know, she wasn't the first character i'd brought through the game - and you can't add on the talent later, it has to be at character creation.  At least that was another thing ME2 got right: the ability to retrain.  As long as one retrains abilities that are in-character, I think this is great.)

The thing is, in terms of Kaidan, he's got such a wide range of abilities that I'm actually fairly stuck as to what talent *wouldn't* suit him.  I suppose any of the inferno / incincerator ones don't strike me as very Kaidan-ish, in spite of them being tech powers.  Watching enemies scream as they burn to death just doesn't seem like him, to put it mildly!

Goodness, no.  I think he'd react to inferno/incinerator the same way he reacted to Reave in aPoV.  (As in, torturing badguys = bad, for those of you not reading Sia's A Paragon of Virtue.)  So, I doubt he'd take reave, or even Shockwave, as the chance of collateral damage in a world where such things existed would be too high, but pretty much anything else does seem fair game.

[Sialater]

Yeah... I just couldn't figure out a way where he'd remotely approve of Reave.

[Estelindis]

jillyfae wrote...
Goodness, no.  I think he'd react to inferno/incinerator the same way he reacted to Reave in aPoV.  (As in, torturing badguys = bad, for those of you not reading Sia's A Paragon of Virtue.)  So, I doubt he'd take reave, or even Shockwave, as the chance of collateral damage in a world where such things existed would be too high, but pretty much anything else does seem fair game.

Eeek, what a scene!  (I hadn't gotten that far in aPoV yet - so much good fanfic, so little time! - so I just quickly skimmed down.)  I wouldn't have taken Reave even if I was biotic, as it did seem somewhat vampiric. but never did I quite realise so strongly how horrible it might be.  Kinda makes Samara a bit more ambiguous, doesn't it?

In terms of squad mate bonus powers, though, everyone in ME2 has something unique.  I wonder what Kaidan's special power would be - and no innuendo, I really mean a combat ability!  And would your Shepard take it as her bonus power too?  (My Shepard is rather fond of Garrus's AP ammo, but might be tempted to switch if Kaidan's bonus power was tech-related.)

Hmm.  This does rather beg the question of which abilities Kaidan would lose.  I mean, I'm hoping that we'll get a whole rakeload of abilities opening up to us in ME3 - but, in ME2 generally, we all lost a few.  For a start, Barrier is a Jacob exclusive.  What might Kaidan lose / keep / gain?

[jillyfae]

The best suggestion I've heard for Kaidan, not that I can remember who's it was (so sorry for not giving credit!) was to bring back a version of sabotage from the first game and give it to him as his bonus, since there aren't a lot of tech skills in game. (Though I would seriously miss his barrier, both for use and 'cause it looks cool. ^_~)

[Sialater]

That's right, there is no advanced Sabotage, is there? (I never DL'ed Kasumi, if she even counts.)