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[Sialater]

Black.

[Nightodie]

Good Morning Everyone!!!

Okay Weekend Fan Fic update commences now:

Just Because Horizon Was That Bloody Awful - Shenzi

Saluting - Sapphy

Lost for words - Jilly

Architects of Their Own Fortune - Jewels

A Paragon of Virtue - Sia

Everything is not fine - Sapphy

Valhalla - Sage

Truth and Lies - Joisan

and on our deviantArt site At the Worst Time by LadyIlona1984

Enjoy!!!



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Modifié par Nightodie, 02 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[sagefic]

night, have i ever mentioned that you're a sweetheart to do that every monday morning? no? you are. *goes off to read the fic she missed*



I will also go with black. Kyrie, being from the farm, takes condensed milk (cream when she can't get that, milk substitute if she must) and honey (which she almost never gets, but wishes she could).

[Jade5233]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

I've always thought that Anderson having that photo on his desk was odd, too.

What do you all think that Kaidan was up to after Horizon?  Was he sent out to set up defenses for more colonies?  Did he look into Shepard's claim of being dead?  Did the Alliance have him keep tabs on Shepard/Cerberus to get his eval of what they were up to?
What do you think?

hello everybody:)

I think he might have met Anderson on the Citadel after Horizon. Btw I really would like to know what exactly Anderson would have told Kaidan...
Maybe the Alliance would have sent him out to set up more defenses... But also I could imagine that Anderson/ the Alliance  sent him out to find more informations about Shepard/Cerberus...
Would you think, that it's possible, that Kaidan would try on his own to collect informations about Shepard/Ceberus after Horizon?

I think Anderson would have told Kaidan very little.  As far as Anderson knows, Shepard was only his CO for what?  A year?  Several months?  And that was over 2 years ago.  Officially, Kaidan really shouldn't have much of a person stake in it.  Plus, I'm sure that whatever they have on Shepard would be classified beyond Kaidan's level.  Like Sage points out in her fic, he's there to provide the brass info on Shepard and not the other way around.

It's possible that they might send Kaidan out for more intel on Shepard/Cerberus.  He's worked with her in the past as part of the command staff for a very large mission.  He likely would more insight into how she thinks than the rest of the Alliance minus Anderson (from the official POV) , but Anderson's busy.

I do think that if Kaidan started feeling left out of the loop by Anderson and the brass on Shepard--that he was sent out to Horizon without the info on Shepard/Cerberus, and if they still didn't provide any answers  for him or refused to fill him in he might feel frustrated/betrayed.  His absolute faith in the Alliance/official channels may be shaken.  I could see him in that case doing his own intel gathering to find the truth.

[sagefic]

Jade5233 wrote...

Aslanasadi wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

I've always thought that Anderson having that photo on his desk was odd, too.

What do you all think that Kaidan was up to after Horizon?  Was he sent out to set up defenses for more colonies?  Did he look into Shepard's claim of being dead?  Did the Alliance have him keep tabs on Shepard/Cerberus to get his eval of what they were up to?
What do you think?

hello everybody:)

I think he might have met Anderson on the Citadel after Horizon. Btw I really would like to know what exactly Anderson would have told Kaidan...
Maybe the Alliance would have sent him out to set up more defenses... But also I could imagine that Anderson/ the Alliance  sent him out to find more informations about Shepard/Cerberus...
Would you think, that it's possible, that Kaidan would try on his own to collect informations about Shepard/Ceberus after Horizon?

I think Anderson would have told Kaidan very little.  As far as Anderson knows, Shepard was only his CO for what?  A year?  Several months?  And that was over 2 years ago.  Officially, Kaidan really shouldn't have much of a person stake in it.  Plus, I'm sure that whatever they have on Shepard would be classified beyond Kaidan's level.  Like Sage points out in her fic, he's there to provide the brass info on Shepard and not the other way around.

It's possible that they might send Kaidan out for more intel on Shepard/Cerberus.  He's worked with her in the past as part of the command staff for a very large mission.  He likely would more insight into how she thinks than the rest of the Alliance minus Anderson (from the official POV) , but Anderson's busy.

I do think that if Kaidan started feeling left out of the loop by Anderson and the brass on Shepard--that he was sent out to Horizon without the info on Shepard/Cerberus, and if they still didn't provide any answers  for him or refused to fill him in he might feel frustrated/betrayed.  His absolute faith in the Alliance/official channels may be shaken.  I could see him in that case doing his own intel gathering to find the truth.

man, i want to know this, too. i can totally see kaidan going back to citadel, being debriefed, probably being given some leave time (this is what i wrote in last chapter, btw) but then...

what?

i figure he wouldn't go out on his own - just...not kaidan. i mean, i feel like horizon must have shaken his absolute faith in the alliance. robyn reeve says in her email the alliance is doing nothing to stop the collectors - sure kaidan knows that too if she does. it could be they are acting privately, but if not publicly enough for him to know, that has to bother him. but i don't see him striking out alone.

they might continue to send him out on similar missions to horizon - i mean heck, the lasers worked, right? but then, if the collectors are after people known to shepard, he might be sidelined for a while? no clue. still trying to puzzle this out in my little head.

[Jade5233]

sagequeen wrote...

man, i want to know this, too. i can totally see kaidan going back to citadel, being debriefed, probably being given some leave time (this is what i wrote in last chapter, btw) but then...

what?

i figure he wouldn't go out on his own - just...not kaidan. i mean, i feel like horizon must have shaken his absolute faith in the alliance. robyn reeve says in her email the alliance is doing nothing to stop the collectors - sure kaidan knows that too if she does. it could be they are acting privately, but if not publicly enough for him to know, that has to bother him. but i don't see him striking out alone.

they might continue to send him out on similar missions to horizon - i mean heck, the lasers worked, right? but then, if the collectors are after people known to shepard, he might be sidelined for a while? no clue. still trying to puzzle this out in my little head.

I thought I would have the "hive-mind" work on brainstorming this issue, Sage. 

No.  I don't see Kaidan going out on his own and leaving the Alliance.  But I think he might feel like he has to so something at this point--like on the side.  It would give him something to focus his attentions on in his "off" hours rather than wonder why Shepard hasn't responded to his e-mail.  And he seems like the type to be proactive, as long as it doesn't interfere with duty.

I could see him finally contacting Liara (like you alluded to)--either by a encrypted message, or in person if he has been sidelined for "leave."  She's an old friend and might use that as an excuse to the brass as to why he's going to Ilium.

[Sialater]

Avery's Kaidan was sidelined with meetings as her former senior officer trying to figure out how to bring Shepard "in out of the cold." He was usually ignored.



No idea what the Kaidan in Meg's story is doing after Horizon yet.

[Quaay]

I'm starting to get behind Chem Light's theory "Anyhow, I maintain my faith in BioWare. It is my firm belief that they are playing their cards close to the vest, that the VS and Anderson have been secretly helping you the whole time, the Horizon blow up was staged to keep their support a secret and to protect you even though it broke their heart to say those things, and that when all is revealed in ME3 both players and Shepards will be embarassed that they ever stopped trusting the VS"

I mean even TIM says how Kaidan's info is surprisingly well-classified...that leads me to believe Anderson and Kaidan know the Alliance may still have ties to Cerberus. I really do hope Kaidan tried to push us away only because he had to. He is trying to get to the bottom of this and has to keep everything close to the vest because they don't know who to trust at this point. It's all going to fall together. Yay for return of optimism!

[FireEye]

AkodoRyu wrote...
Just wanna inform about my "many Shepards,
one Kaidan" project - I'm still waiting for two persons, who want their
FemShep to participate, but haven't sent me any info - PM's were sent.
Anyways,
I got all my notes, working on interactions. Not much, as we moved to
hun's place, it's a really small room we're in together.

Yeeee! 


(... anyhow)

I kinda figured they were mainly sending Kaidan to investigate Cerberus because he was there investigating Cerberus the first time around.

I don't think Anderson told him anything about Shepard before he went to Horizon, but I hope he was level with him afterward.  (I don't think Anderson wanted to believe that Shepard was alive and working for the Enemy, either; and his denial might have tangled up Kaidan as well).

I don't think Robyn Reeve is a reliable narrator in saying the Alliance isn't doing anything - she's one of the colonists in an anti-Alliance colony, after all.  Heck, I wondered if those colonies weren't secretly funded by Cerberus in the first place.

I don't imagine the Alliance grounding Kaidan after Horizon, simply because he's that professional.  He might request time off, but he'd probably deal with it and bounce back (at least on the surface) before anyone (other than Anderson, maybe) knew what had hit him.  I think he might look into Shepard on his own, but then he might also simply wait for her to call him back after the email and throw himself into other things until then.

[FireEye]

Quaay wrote...

I'm starting to get behind Chem Light's theory "Anyhow, I maintain my faith in BioWare. It is my firm belief that they are playing their cards close to the vest, that the VS and Anderson have been secretly helping you the whole time, the Horizon blow up was staged to keep their support a secret and to protect you even though it broke their heart to say those things, and that when all is revealed in ME3 both players and Shepards will be embarassed that they ever stopped trusting the VS"

I'll also take this. 

[syllogi]

Quaay wrote...

I'm starting to get behind Chem Light's theory "Anyhow, I maintain my faith in BioWare. It is my firm belief that they are playing their cards close to the vest, that the VS and Anderson have been secretly helping you the whole time, the Horizon blow up was staged to keep their support a secret and to protect you even though it broke their heart to say those things, and that when all is revealed in ME3 both players and Shepards will be embarassed that they ever stopped trusting the VS"
I mean even TIM says how Kaidan's info is surprisingly well-classified...that leads me to believe Anderson and Kaidan know the Alliance may still have ties to Cerberus. I really do hope Kaidan tried to push us away only because he had to. He is trying to get to the bottom of this and has to keep everything close to the vest because they don't know who to trust at this point. It's all going to fall together. Yay for return of optimism!

  Do you know how happy I would be if this actually happened in ME3???

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Quaay wrote...

I'm starting to get behind Chem Light's theory "Anyhow, I maintain my faith in BioWare. It is my firm belief that they are playing their cards close to the vest, that the VS and Anderson have been secretly helping you the whole time, the Horizon blow up was staged to keep their support a secret and to protect you even though it broke their heart to say those things, and that when all is revealed in ME3 both players and Shepards will be embarassed that they ever stopped trusting the VS"
I mean even TIM says how Kaidan's info is surprisingly well-classified...that leads me to believe Anderson and Kaidan know the Alliance may still have ties to Cerberus. I really do hope Kaidan tried to push us away only because he had to. He is trying to get to the bottom of this and has to keep everything close to the vest because they don't know who to trust at this point. It's all going to fall together. Yay for return of optimism!

  Do you know how happy I would be if this actually happened in ME3???

God, I miss the X-Files. 

And if that's what happens... it happens.  Avery will be vindicated, Meghan... well, she was doomed to tragedy from the start.

[siriusrambles]

Quaay wrote...
I'm starting to get behind Chem Light's theory "Anyhow, I maintain my faith in BioWare. It is my firm belief that they are playing their cards close to the vest, that the VS and Anderson have been secretly helping you the whole time, the Horizon blow up was staged to keep their support a secret and to protect you even though it broke their heart to say those things, and that when all is revealed in ME3 both players and Shepards will be embarassed that they ever stopped trusting the VS"
I mean even TIM says how Kaidan's info is surprisingly well-classified...that leads me to believe Anderson and Kaidan know the Alliance may still have ties to Cerberus. I really do hope Kaidan tried to push us away only because he had to. He is trying to get to the bottom of this and has to keep everything close to the vest because they don't know who to trust at this point. It's all going to fall together. Yay for return of optimism!

actually i'm in line with this thinking as well.  there's too much secrecy surrounding kaidan.  i have this sneaking suspicion that anderson has him involved in classified missions in order to gather intel on the reapers.  kaidan witnessed firsthand what they are capable of and would be able to implement necessary protocols to thwart an impending attack.

[Sialater]

That's IF Anderson has the authority to "borrow" Kaidan from the Alliance. We don't know that he does. The Human Councilor is hardly all powerful.

[Collider]

Kaidan served under Anderson before ME1 and I think he is proud of Kaidan. That, or the photo is just a glitch.

[fortunesque]

I'm not going to buy it... it's putting too much thought into the devs who don't seem to put that much thought into the characters anymore.



But that's just me.

[FireEye]

siriusrambles wrote...
actually i'm in line with this thinking as well.  there's too much secrecy surrounding kaidan.  i have this sneaking suspicion that anderson has him involved in classified missions in order to gather intel on the reapers.  kaidan witnessed firsthand what they are capable of and would be able to implement necessary protocols to thwart an impending attack.

I thought this was where they were heading with it to begin with, but after Horizon I wasn't so sure.  <_<

[Nightodie]

Sialater wrote...

That's IF Anderson has the authority to "borrow" Kaidan from the Alliance. We don't know that he does. The Human Councilor is hardly all powerful.

The Councilor may not be 'all powerful' over the Alliance, but Udina was able to lockdown the Normandy, so there must be some kind of power there.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont think ChemLights theory is right.

Clearly the VS was pissed off, in the meeting,

If they had done that then their email would have indicated it, I think.



However this is all rumours and guess work but overall I doubt that Bioware would have them do that. Then again Horizon is such a plot hammer I dont really care.

[sagefic]

FireEye wrote...

I don't think Robyn Reeve is a reliable narrator in saying the Alliance isn't doing anything - she's one of the colonists in an anti-Alliance colony, after all.  Heck, I wondered if those colonies weren't secretly funded by Cerberus in the first place.

I don't imagine the Alliance grounding Kaidan after Horizon, simply because he's that professional.  He might request time off, but he'd probably deal with it and bounce back (at least on the surface) before anyone (other than Anderson, maybe) knew what had hit him.  I think he might look into Shepard on his own, but then he might also simply wait for her to call him back after the email and throw himself into other things until then.

robyn is a bad authority, true.

and i doubt that the alliance is going to secretly be helping shep all this while. i feel like...well, that the devs are trying to make a point between alliance mostly good guys but occasionally caught up in politics and cerberus who gets the job done, but lest we forget, they're EVVVIIILLL. sort of like the gray, but not really all that gray choices they like to try to make the PC get caught in.

anyhow.

and i think horizon was genuinely - awful. i just hope we get to see about getting back from that later.

truly, i think horizon bothers me less than the fact kaidan isn't there at the end game run. i wanted him there. i felt like i forgave him after the email, but was bitter he wasn't there in the end. not sure what kyrie's gonna do about that. she hasn't told me yet. 

[siriusrambles]

either udina or anderson is the human representative depending on the player's choice and i'd think they'd have lots of sway over the alliance. udina as night mentioned grounded the normandy when he was only an ambassador. anderson, a highly respected soldier, i'd think would have even more influence as a councilor. he resigned his commission or was acting as udina's advisor again based on game decisions but i'd think alliance command would look to him for guidance. especially kaidan who was their link to shepard and the reapers.



@giggles - i'd be peeved too if someone i loved that "passed away" showed up with terrorists two years after they died. whether we were friends or more wouldn't matter. and i don't think the vs is daft enough to refer to their mission in an email that cerberus could monitor.

[UrbanPhoenix]

Nightodie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

That's IF Anderson has the authority to "borrow" Kaidan from the Alliance. We don't know that he does. The Human Councilor is hardly all powerful.

The Councilor may not be 'all powerful' over the Alliance, but Udina was able to lockdown the Normandy, so there must be some kind of power there.

Both of you may be right. The Power may only go toward Alliance members only. Like being a Human Councilor puts Anderson higher on the authority line than the Admirals of the Alliance aka Hackett...but not higher than the Council itself. Not only that but Hackett seemed like a reasonable man, if Anderson asked him something in certain parameters, I'm sure he'd allow one biotic Commander go under a Councilor's jurisdiction.

Also note that VS (in my case Kaidan ) is the only human/Alliance member that survived and has served directly under Shepard. So when Shepard died, they used her/him as a political icon and then used the VS as their new Alliance icon, second to Shepard since the VS was the only one alive at that point.

[sagefic]

siriusrambles wrote...

either udina or anderson is the human representative depending on the player's choice and i'd think they'd have lots of sway over the alliance. udina as night mentioned grounded the normandy when he was only an ambassador. anderson, a highly respected soldier, i'd think would have even more influence as a councilor. he resigned his commission or was acting as udina's advisor again based on game decisions but i'd think alliance command would look to him for guidance. especially kaidan who was their link to shepard and the reapers.

@giggles - i'd be peeved too if someone i loved that "passed away" showed up with terrorists two years after they died. whether we were friends or more wouldn't matter. and i don't think the vs is daft enough to refer to their mission in an email that cerberus could monitor.

that email was WAY too personal for something that could fall into cerberus hands IMO. just saying. that's why i want to believe it was encrypted. but i highly doubt that's what really happened.

[Giggles_Manically]

I was more saying that I doubt the whole VS act on Horizon was an act.

I think they were geunily hurt, and peeved enough to not listen

I also was only indicating that the email leaves no hint as to them doing that.



Also Horizon is still a piece of Bantha Poodo.

[siriusrambles]

@sage - i'm iffy on the encrypted email. the vs survivor proclaimed their love in front of everyone to hear so any pretense was lost on horizon.



@giggles - i agree. horizon sucks. did your sheps romance ash or kaidan in me1 or were they friends only? i was curious how the friend reaction differed from the romance one.