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[fortunesque]

Chapter 6 of Only By a Few Seconds is now up!!

[Collider]

I never really liked Shepard too much. Too much "action hero." Shepard doesn't feel like a real person to me sometimes.

[fortunesque]

Agreed. ME1 had some moments where Shepard felt like a normal person.



But in ME2, if don't have a romance, Shepard has the emotions of a baked potato (minus the yummy sour cream etc).

[syllogi]

Shepard is too much of a blank slate, in many ways, to really be likable, unless you fill in the holes yourself. I've been feeling like writing a fic about Shepard's childhood and service before ME1 lately, I have the details in my mind, but writing them down would help.



In ME2, everyone (except perhaps Jacob) seemed more interesting and personable than Shepard, even with the dearth of dialogue. Heck, Ken and Gabby only have a few lines, but I'd be much more inclined to hang out with either of them than Shepard.

[Kabraxal]

I always heavily RP my Shepard's, so the backstory and personality is always there for me. But I do think the choices is ME2 sometimes made it difficult to keep that RP up, seeing as the paragon was sometimes too clean and the renegade often too douchey for many of my Shepards...

[Quaay]

My Shepard wasn't herself in ME2 because she's an empty shell until Kaidan is back where he belongs

[chem light]

My Shepard wasn't herself because Cerberus implanted a ho bag chip that activated whenever she was talking to the opposite sex.

[chem light]

Oh, and saw this on the motivational thread...thought ya'all would be amused.

[Quaay]

Yea that really upset me. I was all sad and moping around the ship missing Kaidan and then to lay back and talk like I was looking to get laid made me mad. And some dialogue options scared me so much I couldn't talk to the male squadmates again.

[Lady Cousland]

Ok so this is off topic but i really needed to post this here amongst awesome people just for it's sheer awesomeness and the awesomeness of the people who did all this so yarrr here it is:





And to keep it on topic have a yummy sentinel:

Modifié par Alenko, 04 août 2010 - 12:02 .

[Jade5233]

I think that Shepard is supposed to be a bit of a blank slate.  That way each player feels a little ownership of him/her.  They can make up in their own mind what the character is like.  BioWare makes much more personalized role play than say, the Final Fantasy series where you play as a very defined character with a defined story.
I mean, don't you guys love seeing all the different takes on Shepard in the FF's?  I know I do.
Yeah.  ME1 is about the team and Shepard being tied in as a part of that team.  ME2 is much more about what Shepard can do for everyone else (even her friends) and not at all about what Shepard may need.  I mean for cryin out loud, Garrus!  Can't you give the poor woman one word of encouragement after Horizon?!  She's supposed to be your friend.  *rolls eyes*

[FireEye]

I prefer games with blank slate protagonists. ... too much D&D as a kid, I think - character creation and filling in the blanks was half the fun of adventuring. XD

[fortunesque]

Nope. Nobody is really Shepard's friend, unless you want to sex them



Then they're all over the place with the happy and the emotions.

[Giggles_Manically]

The whole voiced protagonist ruins ME for me.

I never feel like I am shepard merely just a perons nudging an actor in a certain way. But since DA2 is getting turned into ME2 then we will all be in the same camp soon.



Bioware can blather on and on about the great voice work in Mass Effect, shepard has the emotional level of a brink in part 2, since you never see any weakness or depth to him´or her.

[chem light]

Alenko wrote...

Ok so this is off topic but i really needed to post this here amongst awesome people just for it's sheer awesomeness and the awesomeness of the people who did all this so yarrr here it is:





And to keep it on topic have a yummy sentinel:

LOL!  Tali and Grun on the slide in the background was awesome. 

[syllogi]

fortunesque wrote...

Nope. Nobody is really Shepard's friend, unless you want to sex them

Then they're all over the place with the happy and the emotions.

Tali and Garrus are *technically* still your friends.  They just have nothing else to say to you unless you are the correct gender and willing to sex them.

Jacob doesn't really want to be your friend, even if you do sex him.  Miranda is pretty cool as a friend, from what I've seen, as a female Shepard.

Jack is just plain rude, and if you tell Thane to go out and make friends, he doesn't want to be your friend anymore.

I think I chose wisely for my all girlfriend party:

[Lady Cousland]

chem light wrote...

Alenko wrote...

Ok so this is off topic but i really needed to post this here amongst awesome people just for it's sheer awesomeness and the awesomeness of the people who did all this so yarrr here it is:





And to keep it on topic have a yummy sentinel:

LOL!  Tali and Grun on the slide in the background was awesome. 

Hehe i know it was hilarious.

[sagefic]

Collider wrote...

I never really liked Shepard too much. Too much "action hero." Shepard doesn't feel like a real person to me sometimes.

hmmm... 

see, i love shep, but i like my games with a lot of "white space" to draw in as penny arcade's tycho once wrote. and @ giggles, i like the voice protagonist because of that. it's like this amazing space between role-play and role-given, between writing your own story and improving in a story already set.  personally, i loved it.

i think the thing i missed most in me2 was the lack of background story references. those small nods in me1 gave just enough humanity to shep for me to find him/her not the "perfect" flawless hero. because really, that's boring. the moment between shep and mom, shep and talitha, shep and former gang members; shep talking to liara about nightmares, shep talking to kaidan/ash about his/her family - even shiala, scary as the consort is, giving shep a gift of words sort of gave this sense of the person behind the growing legend that is shep.

i loved those moments. they were broad brushstrokes to the impressionistic painting that is a PC in a RPG, but i liked them. for me, they were enough to set the tone.

but in me2, shep never shows that vulnerability - to ANYONE, except maybe kelly and joker after horizon and those felt like completely the wrong people to open up to (well, for me, kelly anyhow). shep just fixes everyone else's problems, but never deals with his/her own even though heck, he/she SHOULD be having plenty given what's happened recently.

i also think a ton of the problem for me was that nothing was said about being dead except to brush it under the rug. i mean really, wouldn't this completely freak you out/blow your mind? who ignores THAT? anyhow... my 2 cents.

[Giggles_Manically]

ME2 was a sell out to bros, who cant see their hero ever showing weakness. Nice Bioware real nice.

Overall though Shepard just is some random Space Action hero which I watch, never someone who I felt connected to. At least in ME1 you had your own personal mission, the locker scene, and could talk to the Consort and Liara.

But in ME2 Shepard is Jesus in space and cant ever show emotions or weakness. Total Mary-Sue.



If at this point its not obvious I dont like Mass Effect 2.

[Sialater]

sagequeen wrote...

Collider wrote...

I never really liked Shepard too much. Too much "action hero." Shepard doesn't feel like a real person to me sometimes.

hmmm... 

see, i love shep, but i like my games with a lot of "white space" to draw in as penny arcade's tycho once wrote. and @ giggles, i like the voice protagonist because of that. it's like this amazing space between role-play and role-given, between writing your own story and improving in a story already set.  personally, i loved it.

i think the thing i missed most in me2 was the lack of background story references. those small nods in me1 gave just enough humanity to shep for me to find him/her not the "perfect" flawless hero. because really, that's boring. the moment between shep and mom, shep and talitha, shep and former gang members; shep talking to liara about nightmares, shep talking to kaidan/ash about his/her family - even shiala, scary as the consort is, giving shep a gift of words sort of gave this sense of the person behind the growing legend that is shep.

i loved those moments. they were broad brushstrokes to the impressionistic painting that is a PC in a RPG, but i liked them. for me, they were enough to set the tone.

but in me2, shep never shows that vulnerability - to ANYONE, except maybe kelly and joker after horizon and those felt like completely the wrong people to open up to (well, for me, kelly anyhow). shep just fixes everyone else's problems, but never deals with his/her own even though heck, he/she SHOULD be having plenty given what's happened recently.

i also think a ton of the problem for me was that nothing was said about being dead except to brush it under the rug. i mean really, wouldn't this completely freak you out/blow your mind? who ignores THAT? anyhow... my 2 cents.

I don't know.  I didn't get to define Meghan and Avery as different people until ME2.  

[sapphyreelf]

I'm kind of with, Sia. I played ME1 about a month before ME2 was released. I ended up playing a rather generic Shepard through both games. It wasn't until I after I played through ME2 that I was really inspired to go back and create Alexis in ME1 and play her through both games. I wanted to see how she would deal with everything that ME2 through at her.

[syllogi]

I do like having lots of room to roleplay in games, but there has to be enough choices for me to feel like I can be the character I want to be.



In Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, I could be as good or evil as I wanted to be, but still feel like the story of the Bhaalspawn was still mine. In KOTOR, I could be a good Revan, while remembering that I was once evil, and seeing that I can choose to change. In NWN, SoU and HotU, I was *really* blank, so I could insert any character I wanted to in the story.



With Shepard, the story constricts you in both games, but I guess ME1 was more of the story that fits with my version of Shepard. She's an Alliance soldier who has never wanted anything but to help people, and being a part of the Systems Alliance Military was a means to that. Being a part of Cerberus in ME2 is something she cannot even conceive of doing on her own. I have to pretend that there are more dire reasons behind her passive acceptance of the situation, because it's SO far from what I would do if I could control my character.



Add to that the whole Horizon situation with the guy she loves, and the way she flirts with Jacob and barely talks to the other crew members, and suddenly Shepard is not my character, she's a character I'm just controlling while her story unfolds. There's a big difference to me, and this kind of roleplaying generally doesn't interest me.

[Giggles_Manically]

The Cerberus railroading is one thing that detracts from the RPG elements for me.

Especially my Colonial Sole Survivor.

[Jade5233]

I find that some role play can be too broad.  I never really could get into Oblivion because it was too wide open.

I like the voice over.  It feels more cinematic.  And I gues it kinda ties the various femSheps together for me in a way that they are like facets of the same gem.  So sharing Kaidan amongst them is fine.  Just not with Lillith or the Citadel doctor. 

[Giggles_Manically]

Well one got melted anyway so no concern there.

I still dont agree with the theory that the VS broke up with Shep on purpose though.



Oh wait that explains the sig:

Csec cant explain the sudden dissappearnce of female doctors on the citadel" silly me.



Did Kaidan say the doc was female though?