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fortunesque wrote...

Agreed. ME1 had some moments where Shepard felt like a normal person.

But in ME2, if don't have a romance, Shepard has the emotions of a baked potato (minus the yummy sour cream etc).

Yea, pretty much. ME1 did better at making Shepard seem fallible/more believable (outside of romance, anyway). However I still did not feel that Shepard felt like a real person. I think playing through our backgrounds/psych profiles would help.

[Quaay]

Kaidan time~

[Jade5233]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well one got melted anyway so no concern there.
I still dont agree with the theory that the VS broke up with Shep on purpose though.

Oh wait that explains the sig:
Csec cant explain the sudden dissappearnce of female doctors on the citadel" silly me.

Did Kaidan say the doc was female though?

Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented. 
Plus, if he were wired that way, wouldn't he have also gone for Sheploo?

[FireEye]

Collider wrote...

Yea, pretty much. ME1 did better at making Shepard seem fallible/more believable (outside of romance, anyway). However I still did not feel that Shepard felt like a real person. I think playing through our backgrounds/psych profiles would help.

I hope not.  I happen to enjoy making stuff up and seeing all the variety that other people come up with.

Anyway.



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Jade5233 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well one got melted anyway so no concern there.
I still dont agree with the theory that the VS broke up with Shep on purpose though.

Oh wait that explains the sig:
Csec cant explain the sudden dissappearnce of female doctors on the citadel" silly me.

Did Kaidan say the doc was female though?

Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented.

I have seen people who interpreted his line as him being against homosexuality (or being insensitive to it) But I don't believe that is the case.

Plus, if he were wired that way, wouldn't he have also gone for Sheploo?

Agreed.

[fortunesque]

I think he was stumbling over his words during the confrontation scene because he was trying to be respectful and not trying to assume anything. He doesn't seem like the type that would have a problem with homosexuals.



Do I think he's bi though? No. The way he talks to mShep clearly shows no romantic or sexual interest, especially when it's put in contrast next to how he talks with femShep.

[Collider]

fortunesque wrote...

I think he was stumbling over his words during the confrontation scene because he was trying to be respectful and not trying to assume anything. He doesn't seem like the type that would have a problem with homosexuals.

Do I think he's bi though? No. The way he talks to mShep clearly shows no romantic or sexual interest, especially when it's put in contrast next to how he talks with femShep.

Agreed on all accounts.

[syllogi]

Collider wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented.

I have seen people who interpreted his line as him being against homosexuality (or being insensitive to it) But I don't believe that is the case.

I really think that Kaidan could have been surprised that Shepard might be interested in women and/or aliens without being homophobic.  Especially if he thought that he and Shepard had a "thing" going on, it could have just been his embarassment and unexpected realization that he may have been misinterpreting her signals.  Considering that fraternization is against the rules, and he is a very reserved, considerate person, that could have shook his composure, without having a problem in general with homosexuality or xenophilia.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 04 août 2010 - 02:27 .

[siriusrambles]

huh, i never took the kaidan, liara and shepard conversation as him having an issue with lesbians. i thought he was hinting at the fact shepard was leading him on and he was blindsided she had been flirting with liara.

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented.

I have seen people who interpreted his line as him being against homosexuality (or being insensitive to it) But I don't believe that is the case.

I really think that Kaidan could have been surprised that Shepard might be interested in women and/or aliens without being homophobic.  Especially if he thought that he and Shepard had a "thing" going on, it could have just been his embarassment and unexpected realization that he may have been misinterpreting her signals.  Considering that fraternization is against the rules, and he is a very reserved, considerate person, that could have shook his composure, without having a problem in general with homosexuality or xenophilia.

QFT.  I usually go for that confrontation because it amuses me.  (Yes, I'm evil, I know.)  In all the Shepards I've played, I've never taken it as homophobic or xenophobic.

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TeenZombie wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jade5233 wrote..
Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented.

I have seen people who interpreted his line as him being against homosexuality (or being insensitive to it) But I don't believe that is the case.

I really think that Kaidan could have been surprised that Shepard might be interested in women and/or aliens without being homophobic.  Especially if he thought that he and Shepard had a "thing" going on, it could have just been his embarassment and unexpected realization that he may have been misinterpreting her signals.  Considering that fraternization is against the rules, and he is a very reserved, considerate person, that could have shook his composure, without having a problem in general with homosexuality or xenophilia.

Also agreed. I think Kaidan was simply trying to phrase his words respectfully - all the while being embarassed. It's sometimes very hard to pharse things "PC" when speaking on a sensitive issue. I can see why people may view "one of them" (in reference to Shepard being bisexual or lesbian) as offensive or insensitive, but I don't believe that Kaidan was trying to be or actually was. Just perhaps didn't have his words magically perfect and incapable of causing offense. Just like normal people!

[Collider]

I also have to be mindful that it's exceedingly implausible or unlikely that Bioware would genuinely have homophobic characters in their games. Homosexuality is a sensitive issue and it would very easy to draw the ire or offense from the LGBT community if they had a character like that.

[Jade5233]

TeenZombie wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
Considering the fact that Kaidan has a problem with the idea of Shepard being a lesbian (which I understand is a turn on for some men) , I seriously doubt that he's same-sex oriented.

I have seen people who interpreted his line as him being against homosexuality (or being insensitive to it) But I don't believe that is the case.

I really think that Kaidan could have been surprised that Shepard might be interested in women and/or aliens without being homophobic.  Especially if he thought that he and Shepard had a "thing" going on, it could have just been his embarassment and unexpected realization that he may have been misinterpreting her signals.  Considering that fraternization is against the rules, and he is a very reserved, considerate person, that could have shook his composure, without having a problem in general with homosexuality or xenophilia.

That's what I get for posting quickly when my husband is trying to pull me away from the computer.    Poor word choice.
I don't think that he's homophobic.  I think he wouldn't care one way or the other what a person's preference is.  I see Kaidan as getting along with anyone as long as they perform their duty.  If for example (don't shoot me--just the only human female on the ship) Ash were bi, I don't think it would color his opinion of her in any way.
I meant "problem" more in the context of what Teen was saying above.  Its because its Shepard for whom he has feelings and was hoping for them to be returned that he has a "problem."
Sorry for mis-speaking.

[fortunesque]

He didn't say "one of them" at all.



He said "I-I didn't realize that you were a uh... that you like other women". He's so considerate that he's afraid of using the word "lesbian" for cripe's sake!



The people that take insult to that need to get over themselves because they're obviously looking an opportunity to be offended

[Collider]

fortunesque wrote...

He didn't say "one of them" at all.

Ah - apologies. It was hearsay that he said that.

He said "I-I didn't realize that you were a uh... that you like other women". He's so considerate that he's afraid of using the word "lesbian" for cripe's sake!

The people that take insult to that need to get over themselves because they're obviously looking an opportunity to be offended

Agreed.

[sagefic]

TeenZombie wrote...

off topic, but i love this pic.

on topic: i wasn't saying shep couldn't be RPed in me2. i was just saying that a number of elements that i felt helped shep feel like a "real" or "human" person were lacking in me2.

1) background stories. - other than the brief talk with miranda and jacob, they aren't there. for sole surivior esp, that is weird

2) romances have very little of the other character getting to know shep. i really thought that worked well in me1. i'm not knocking the charcters of the me2 LIs - i like them fine. but it's like shep is hitting on them hard b/c they don't bother to get to know shep. like there is no shep to get to know. very odd.

3) forced to follow cerberus. this is the main issue right there for me. the hero of me1 could be a number of different people on a sort of "scale of shepard" but i can only picture some of those sheps finding any reason at all to work for cerberus. this is why sophie shep got nowhere. she would not have gone cerberus. she would literally have rather died and stayed dead. kyrie would, but only with much reservation. it really sucks to have the VS say "you changed" and you feel like...yeah...that would be the devs....

[Jean]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

ME2 was a sell out to bros, who cant see their hero ever showing weakness. Nice Bioware real nice.
Overall though Shepard just is some random Space Action hero which I watch, never someone who I felt connected to. At least in ME1 you had your own personal mission, the locker scene, and could talk to the Consort and Liara.
But in ME2 Shepard is Jesus in space and cant ever show emotions or weakness. Total Mary-Sue.

If at this point its not obvious I dont like Mass Effect 2.

That's it, if I can't turn into this in ME3 I'm not buying the game because then they completely ruined the series for me. That's all it'll take for me to say no.



After watching this movie 100 times, I have reached a consensus that I really dig those leather jackets.

EDIT



Forgot to say, I want to drive this in the cargo hold and park it in my quarters. 

Modifié par Batteries, 04 août 2010 - 04:16 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

sagequeen wrote...
3) forced to follow cerberus. this is the main issue right there for me. the hero of me1 could be a number of different people on a sort of "scale of shepard" but i can only picture some of those sheps finding any reason at all to work for cerberus. this is why sophie shep got nowhere. she would not have gone cerberus. she would literally have rather died and stayed dead. kyrie would, but only with much reservation. it really sucks to have the VS say "you changed" and you feel like...yeah...that would be the devs....

I've actually been going over this in my head about my
Shepard, Rylie. She is a sole survivor. I was writing something out where she's
pissed off after a combination of meeting Kaidan and seeing Toomb's email, all getting after her
for working with Cerberus, and TIM calling her attitude towards him to be over
'petty grudges." (He does say that in the game if you're a jerk to him) 



The more I worked and thought about this little fic of mine, the more I
realized that there really is few options for Shepard when you have a threat
like the Reapers coming. The Collectors were making entire human colonies disappear as if the Reapers were working on wiping out civilization.



Think about one of the options Shepard (or certain other character) can say to
Kaidan on Horizon. You have to look at the bigger and not focus on Cerberus too
much. Yeah Cerberus are monsters, but who else is offering you another chance
at life, another ship, another crew, all to try and fight the Reapers with. With Shepard dead, there seems to be an extremely few giving a hoot about the Reapers still coming and the council is hiding the fact the attack was by a Reaper. So really, without Shepard, there is no way the galaxy has a chance.

The
Alliance doesn't have the money and the Council doesn't want to support Shepard
anymore. I originally wanted the Shadow Broker to be an alternative, but
obviously he's not supporting Shepard too much either if he wants to sell Shepard's
body to the Collectors. There isn't much time to wait for someone to come along
either when entire colonies are disappearing without a trace.



For Rylie, she came to the conclusion that she doesn't care if the rest of her
life she is damned for working with Cerberus and no one knows she ever
saved the galaxy against the Reapers because the Council keeps hiding it. As
long as the job gets done, the galaxy is safe, and it never becomes working
for Cerberus, that's all that matters. For now, use and abuse Cerberus,
then drop them when the time's right or another opportunity comes up.

 It's clear though BioWare did try to put the Akuze and Cerberus connection under the rug. They should have put it in. It doesn't chaneg the fact that there is a huge issue of everything and everyone continueing to be wiped out every 50k years because Shepard couldn't let go and waited for a nicer option to come along.



The only other way really is to completely uproot and re-write the story. To
make it much more convenient for Shepard to have a much nicer option instead of Cerberus. However, I really like the personal conflict when I get to the heart
of the current story, being forced to work with Cerberus. It can't all be easy
sailing for Shepard.



In the case of having romanced Kaidan in ME1, ME2 would be like any real
relationship that has a bad period. It will only make it stronger if both
Kaidan and Shepard be patient about it and work through it. Kaidan obviously tries to take a step in the right direction with the email. I know people would rather talk to him in person and have him on the crew, but I think the circumstances make it difficult. Again, it can't all be easy sailing and you can't expect everyone to abandon everything one a dime for Shepard. If you ask me, there are plenty of hints from the devs that in ME3, Kaidan will be back for more then a cameo. The conflict of cheating on Kaidan having consequences is a big one.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 04 août 2010 - 04:47 .

[Jean]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

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Yep. Working with Cerberus doesn't seem like too much of a sacrifice to make to save trillions of lives of multiple species from mile long squid shaped ships and saving humans from being abducted by bugs. Luxary isn't exactly a virtue and I love that. In the beginning, you're given a new crew and ship. I doubt you'd get that from the alliance or the council. You'd probably get a worse reaction from them as a whole than what you got with Kaidan. They sure didn't care too much after you died.
You even have the option to tell Timmy to f-off at the end. But as in the case of keeping the base, I'll be fine using them as a resource in the next game. Timmy seems like the kind of guy my Shep could enjoy a drink with and have a nice chat, but I don't trust him. I'm curious what he'll do with the base.

Modifié par Batteries, 04 août 2010 - 05:07 .

[sagefic]

yeah...."reapers"



no, you're right about the reapers. i guess...i just feel like there had to be *some* other something out there besides cerberus. heck, i don't know. my shep had a ton of money. surely buy a ship, do what garrus did - ride around the galaxy picking up people. they couldn't be nearly as crazy as jack and grunt. for all that the new normandy rocks, you pickup most of the tech and resources for it on the way.



the trouble is, shepard is the type who could go solo. but he/she doesn't. i just felt like that option had to be explored a little more. yeah, i know, tim says you can walk. but you can't, not really, and i felt like even a little threat hanging over shep's head would make more sense. i just kept thinking reapers, reapers, really it's about reapers, even though i kept thinking...why not just buy my own ship and walk out? especially after horizon.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Well where would the credits come from to buy a new ship and where would the knowledge come from to get together a team of the greatest fighters and experts?

Again, the Council and Alliance aren't being too supportive, and again, the Shadow Broker tried to sell Shepard. Even if Shepard hadn't died and still had the original Normandy, everyone is short on credits because of the destruction/fight of the Citadel. Though I realize in ME1 you can get 1 billion very easily, but how realistic is that really?

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 04 août 2010 - 05:21 .

[Joisan]

Sage (and anyone else interested) If you go to my DeviantArt page you may find a new pic.

[Jean]

sagequeen wrote...

yeah...."reapers"

no, you're right about the reapers. i guess...i just feel like there had to be *some* other something out there besides cerberus. heck, i don't know. my shep had a ton of money. surely buy a ship, do what garrus did - ride around the galaxy picking up people. they couldn't be nearly as crazy as jack and grunt. for all that the new normandy rocks, you pickup most of the tech and resources for it on the way.

the trouble is, shepard is the type who could go solo. but he/she doesn't. i just felt like that option had to be explored a little more. yeah, i know, tim says you can walk. but you can't, not really, and i felt like even a little threat hanging over shep's head would make more sense. i just kept thinking reapers, reapers, really it's about reapers, even though i kept thinking...why not just buy my own ship and walk out? especially after horizon.

Because the Normandy > whatever other ship you can buy. The Normandy barely survived the suicide mission even with all upgrades, any other ship wouldn't of even gotten to the base. I think solo might be a way to do it in ME3, but who knows.

[FireEye]

Batteries wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

yeah...."reapers"

no, you're right about the reapers. i guess...i just feel like there had to be *some* other something out there besides cerberus. heck, i don't know. my shep had a ton of money. surely buy a ship, do what garrus did - ride around the galaxy picking up people. they couldn't be nearly as crazy as jack and grunt. for all that the new normandy rocks, you pickup most of the tech and resources for it on the way.

the trouble is, shepard is the type who could go solo. but he/she doesn't. i just felt like that option had to be explored a little more. yeah, i know, tim says you can walk. but you can't, not really, and i felt like even a little threat hanging over shep's head would make more sense. i just kept thinking reapers, reapers, really it's about reapers, even though i kept thinking...why not just buy my own ship and walk out? especially after horizon.

Because the Normandy > whatever other ship you can buy. The Normandy barely survived the suicide mission even with all upgrades, any other ship wouldn't of even gotten to the base. I think solo might be a way to do it in ME3, but who knows.

Except it's apparently outdated now. 

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