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[fortunesque]

Chignon wrote...

fortunesque wrote...


What? I play renegade. Does this make me a bad person or something? 

Don't worry. I tend to renegade him, too.

Good. I was wondering if I'd get mobbed or something. We'll hide together in case they come after us with torches.

For some reason, people equate renegade to evil. It's not all about killing as many people and being as loud and bigoted as possible as most assume. I like to think of it more as decisive and calculating. 

[UrbanPhoenix]

Maybe that's what they were trying to pull out in ME2? The Renegade side of the VS survivor?

[fortunesque]

Pfffft. No, they were shoving them to the side XD

[Chignon]

fortunesque wrote...

Good. I was wondering if I'd get mobbed or something. We'll hide together in case they come after us with torches.

For some reason, people equate renegade to evil. It's not all about killing as many people and being as loud and bigoted as possible as most assume. I like to think of it more as decisive and calculating. 

I'm sure we could find others, just like us. Somewhere.

Decisive, exactly. And yes, while I do realize it is unrealistic to change someone's view of the world in one talk through some persuading, I really enjoyed seeing this side of Kaidan.

Modifié par Chignon, 11 août 2010 - 11:11 .

[Chignon]

Double post. Sorry.

Modifié par Chignon, 11 août 2010 - 11:10 .

[Nightodie]

fortunesque wrote...

Chignon wrote...

fortunesque wrote...


What? I play renegade. Does this make me a bad person or something? 

Don't worry. I tend to renegade him, too.

Good. I was wondering if I'd get mobbed or something. We'll hide together in case they come after us with torches.

For some reason, people equate renegade to evil. It's not all about killing as many people and being as loud and bigoted as possible as most assume. I like to think of it more as decisive and calculating. 

Fort...Paragons don't mob... we make cake... Angelfood of course...

wanna piece of cake??? 

[fortunesque]

Chignon wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Good. I was wondering if I'd get mobbed or something. We'll hide together in case they come after us with torches.

For some reason, people equate renegade to evil. It's not all about killing as many people and being as loud and bigoted as possible as most assume. I like to think of it more as decisive and calculating. 

I'm sure we could find others, just like us. Somewhere.

Decisive, exactly. And yes, while I do realize it is unrealistic to change someone's view of the world in one talk through some persuading, I really enjoyed seeing this side of Kaidan.

I did too. It was sexy and feisty and decisive. 

And there are others of us. They're just far and few in between. 

[bioticbooty]

1)  Were you satisfied with Kaidan's romance before ME2 came out?
For the most part, yes. I wish there were more dialogue options (like in Dragon Age where you can talk a lot before stuff starts to repeat or options become unavailable). Of course, my ideal game would have so much dialogue that it would require its own disk -- and I realize that's unrealistic. Still, I would have liked more things to say to him, especially if you romance him. Other than that, I loved their chemistry and sort of soft love they develop for each other.
2)  Would you be interested in a new male human LI in ME3 if the romance was handled differently?
 No. I think it would defeat the purpose of established romances and make them feel less meaningful. Especially if you are able to dump your ME1 romance for ME2, and then dump that one for a new one in ME3. I want my current romances to be more profound, thought out, and well executed. (And damnit, I want a Shenko reunion!) I want a resolution to my chosen romances, and I want my actions to affect it. I want them to be able to break it off with me because I've done something they don't agree with. I want their love for me to be reaffirmed because they agree with me so much it hurts. I want to have to work at them. 
3)  Did the Horizon scene change your perception of Kaidan (do you like him more/less now)?

No, it didn't. Though I did feel a little let down (especially once you realize that Ashley says the same thing if it's her instead). I wanted something more than a hug and a fight scene where he turns his back on you -- but I can kind of understand why he did it. Especially considering Shepard's lackluster dialogue options. I certainly wanted something more emotional if Shepard and Kaidan were involved in ME1. I'm holding out hope that bioware does this for us in ME3. 

(I secretly want epic Kaidan marching towards Shepard movie style hug and passionate kiss.)

[Chignon]

fortunesque wrote...
I did too. It was sexy and feisty and decisive. 

And there are others of us. They're just far and few in between. 

... now you made me want to play ME1 again. But who can resist?

[siriusrambles]

quantumparadigm wrote...
(I secretly want epic Kaidan marching towards Shepard movie style hug and passionate kiss.)

hear, hear


<3

[Lady Cousland]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Alenko wrote...

On what you said about Horizon, i wonder if people thought that Horizon was ok the way it was(apart from Shep's rubbish dialouge) or do you think it would have been better(well not better but you know what i mean) if Kaidan was taken by the Collectors and you had to rescue him.

I very much enjoy Shenzi's take on Horizon, where the Collectors did just that. I think she did a great job depicting it.

I do, however, very much like the way Horizon played out (even with Shep's dialogue).

My Shep, at least, thought that Kaidan was on the ship when it was taking off - and was desperately trying to hold it together when Delan came out. Then Kaidan comes strolling up - all okay - and it was like a shell shock to her world. All articulate thought went out the window, and it took everything she had to remember that her squad was still there (including one loyal Cerberus agent). 

She says some pretty uninspired things thanks to those circumstances, and Kaidan reacts accordingly - in my mind.  It gives my Shepard a bit of a reality check that I very much enjoyed from a player's perspective.

Yeah i loved Shenzi's take on it, that's what made me think to ask. And i agree with Sesheta with the what if you didn't get there in time part.

At first i was quite bummed with Horizon but the more i thought about it i started to like it and appreciate Kaidan more for staying true to himself.

[Shenzi]

Good evening everyone, been out most of the day

1)  Were you satisfied with Kaidan's romance before ME2 came out?
Very satisfied, although I wish there had been more opportunities to talk to Kaidan.

2)  Would you be interested in a new male human LI in ME3 if the romance was handled differently?
I would for my single Shep if I found one to be interesting,.

3)  Did the Horizon scene change your perception of Kaidan (do you like him more/less now)?
Not at all.

While I agree with the actual concept behind Horizon the actual implementation of it made it feel like a cheesy plot device designed to give the player justification for trying out one of the ME2 romances.

I hope whoever wrote the dialogue for Horizon has nothing to do with the romances in ME3.

[Shenzi]

Alenko wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Alenko wrote...

On what you said about Horizon, i wonder if people thought that Horizon was ok the way it was(apart from Shep's rubbish dialouge) or do you think it would have been better(well not better but you know what i mean) if Kaidan was taken by the Collectors and you had to rescue him.

I very much enjoy Shenzi's take on Horizon, where the Collectors did just that. I think she did a great job depicting it.

I do, however, very much like the way Horizon played out (even with Shep's dialogue).

My Shep, at least, thought that Kaidan was on the ship when it was taking off - and was desperately trying to hold it together when Delan came out. Then Kaidan comes strolling up - all okay - and it was like a shell shock to her world. All articulate thought went out the window, and it took everything she had to remember that her squad was still there (including one loyal Cerberus agent). 

She says some pretty uninspired things thanks to those circumstances, and Kaidan reacts accordingly - in my mind.  It gives my Shepard a bit of a reality check that I very much enjoyed from a player's perspective.

Yeah i loved Shenzi's take on it, that's what made me think to ask. And i agree with Sesheta with the what if you didn't get there in time part.

At first i was quite bummed with Horizon but the more i thought about it i started to like it and appreciate Kaidan more for staying true to himself.

Thanks guys, been a lot of fun writing it (and a hell of a learning experience.)  

TBH the whole fic was created out of the one snapshot of Shepard telling Kaidan once again "Kaidan go, now" and the pain of that moment.   It was only supposed to be a few chapters and got a massive case of scope creep. 

[UrbanPhoenix]

Shenzi wrote...

Good evening everyone, been out most of the day

1)  Were you satisfied with Kaidan's romance before ME2 came out?
Very satisfied, although I wish there had been more opportunities to talk to Kaidan.

2)  Would you be interested in a new male human LI in ME3 if the romance was handled differently?
I would for my single Shep if I found one to be interesting,.

3)  Did the Horizon scene change your perception of Kaidan (do you like him more/less now)?
Not at all.

While I agree with the actual concept behind Horizon the actual implementation of it made it feel like a cheesy plot device designed to give the player justification for trying out one of the ME2 romances.

I hope whoever wrote the dialogue for Horizon has nothing to do with the romances in ME3.

I agree with this....all the way.  Cept three... three I would say opened my eyes to a renegade Kaidan! XD 

[Jade5233]

Yay!  Kara got lots of dancing with Kaidan in this evening.  Thanks, everybody!

sesheta255 wrote...

Alenko wrote...

On what you said about Horizon, i wonder if people thought that Horizon was ok the way it was(apart from Shep's rubbish dialouge) or do you think it would have been better(well not better but you know what i mean) if Kaidan was taken by the Collectors and you had to rescue him.

@Sirius - Oooh yes Kaidan did say he enjoying serving uder Shep. The saucy devil

I personally would have preferred the rescue scenario but then there was always the chance that you wouldn't get there in time to save him from Lilith's fate, and I'm sure a lot of people would have let that happen deliberately but we have no idea what the big role he's being saved for in ME3 will be and how important it is to the story.   For me it would have made his absence in the game make more sense.  I hated not being able to find him after the so called suicide mission though.

I don't want Kaidan to be a "damsel in distress" for Shepard to have to save.  I didn't mind feeling like I had to save him at the time.  But I like that somehow he was able to get unfrozen by himself.  He didn't need to be saved directly--although the fact that Shepard/Cerberus came still kept him from being taken.
I loved saving him on Virmire--hoisting him up over Kimbri's shoulder--one of my favorite moments in the game.  But at this point in the story, I like Kaidan being strong--against Collectors and against Shepard.
@Renegade Kaidan:  I"m going to do that in my next femShep playthrough--go mostly renegade and turn him.  I want to see the difference in the dialogue with him--I'm going to try anyways.  I'm like Night.  Even if I set out to be , I can't help being

Teen
I just did a ME1 playthrough the other day with the romance confrontation scene -- what about it made Kaidan seem unlikeable, out of curiousity?  I thought that he was portrayed as being understandably upset by the idea that Shepard may have been toying with him, since he doesn't take relationships, or breaking the regs, lightly.  We spoke about the "I didn't think you liked women" line the other day in this thread, and my take on it was that he was embarassed and confused at being perceived as flirting with someone who wasn't interested, not that he was homophobic, as some people seem to think.

Personally, I like how understanding he was at the end (if you pick him).  Shepard asks something like if he's angry and he replies something about the fact that its not like he hasn't been pulled in two directions before.  Its kinda sweet.  So I like that extra little dialogue with him.
And I agree.  Its not really a homophobic thing.  Perhaps he's a little surprised since Shepard was flirting with him.  But its probably more hurt and confusion--that for once he feels something for someone and they are responding and perhaps they were just toying with him.

Sirius
thanks.  renegade kaidan's fiery.  i kinda like it.  hmmm... another playthrough perhaps. 

Yeah.  Arguing with Kaidan a bit there at the beginning of that vid.  Firey Kaidan is

[Estelindis]

TeenZombie wrote...
1)  Were you satisfied with Kaidan's romance before ME2 came out?

Yes, extremely.    I would have liked more opportunities for interaction - when you compare squad dialogue in ME to companion dialogue in DA:O, it's extremely sparse.  But what we did get was very well done.

TeenZombie wrote...
2)  Would you be interested in a new male human LI in ME3 if the romance was handled differently?

For a Shepard who had left Kaidan behind on Virmire, maybe.  But for my canon Shepard, who's remaining true to Kaidan through thick and thin, no - not a chance.  No matter how well it was done.  (I actually found Thane and Garrus quite swoonworthy in ME2, but refused to engage in romance with them because my Shep loves Kaidan and would never cheat on him.)

TeenZombie wrote...
3)  Did the Horizon scene change your perception of Kaidan (do you like him more/less now)?

I'd prefer to say that it *added* to my perception of Kaidan.  We see another layer to his personality, but it's totally compatible with what we've already seen.  I like him just as much, maybe even more.  (The person who got a thumbs down on Horizon was my Shep, for her incredibly lame reunion lines!)

Really looking forward to ME3 anyway, and so glad that there are so many other Kaidan fans with whom to share the journey and the waiting.

[IndigoWolfe]

I come to the Kaidan Fan Thread with a certain philosophical quandary for your consideration;

Man-bum: To smek or not to smek?

Only God knows why I'm even asking this question...

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 12 août 2010 - 01:04 .

[fortunesque]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I come to the Kaidan Fan Thread with a certain philosophical quandary for your consideration;

Man-bum: To smek or not to smek?

Only God knows why I'm even asking this question...

Huh? I'm confused.... not quite sure what you're asking...

Are you talking about m/m???

[IndigoWolfe]

fortunesque wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I come to the Kaidan Fan Thread with a certain philosophical quandary for your consideration;

Man-bum: To smek or not to smek?

Only God knows why I'm even asking this question...

Huh? I'm confused.... not quite sure what you're asking...

Are you talking about m/m???

No. I am talking about Kaidan's poterior. In your mind, does one smek it, or does one not?

[Sialater]

1)  Were you satisfied with Kaidan's romance before ME2 came out?  Yes. 

2)  Would you be interested in a new male human LI in ME3 if the romance was handled differently?  Not with any of my current Shepards.

3)  Did the Horizon scene change your perception of Kaidan (do you like him more/less now)?  At first, yes.  Now... I'm far less angry and see it as more of an example of him sticking to his ideals which he did all through ME1.

Kept the Kaidan, just because.

[Sialater]

Can you Renegade Kaidan if you don't romance him?

[Joisan]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

No. I am talking about Kaidan's poterior. In your mind, does one smek it, or does one not?

Well... uh... if the posterior is meant as metonymy for Kaidan himself... then absolutely, one smecks it.  Ideally on a regular basis .  If you meant it more literally... I'm... uh... not much into that kind of thing. *Jumps into the gutter with a resounding splash*

[Jade5233]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I come to the Kaidan Fan Thread with a certain philosophical quandary for your consideration;

Man-bum: To smek or not to smek?

Only God knows why I'm even asking this question...

Huh? I'm confused.... not quite sure what you're asking...

Are you talking about m/m???

No. I am talking about Kaidan's poterior. In your mind, does one smek it, or does one not?

I believe the consensus here is:

Modifié par Jade5233, 12 août 2010 - 01:28 .