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[stephee]

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

And without Shepard around for two years, Kaidan found that he couldn't get the gun online.

Poor Kaidan 

Something for her to rectify quickly.

so Horizon was totally innuendo. how on earth did i miss that?



edited for top of the page rule. by the looks of this motivational, i didn't really miss the innuendo.

Modifié par stephee, 13 août 2010 - 02:51 .

[Sialater]

stephee wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

And without Shepard around for two years, Kaidan found that he couldn't get the gun online.

Poor Kaidan 

Something for her to rectify quickly.

so Horizon was totally innuendo. how on earth did i miss that?

One too many hits with a Praetorian?

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

And without Shepard around for two years, Kaidan found that he couldn't get the gun online.

Poor Kaidan 

Something for her to erectify quickly.

fix'd 

I stand corrected.  Thank you, Miss Fort.  

One of these days we're going to get in an innuendo-off and we'll get the thread locked.

But not tonight.  It's a school night.

[Jade5233]

BTW Fort:  Finally broke down and got on the AFF site to read the unrated versions of your Parallax chapters.  Nice.

[FireEye]

stephee wrote...

Fun fact: I've been playing around in the guts of ME2, and I found out that there's a heavier varient of the armor Kaidan is wearing on Horizon.  So he really does have the lite or medium (and judging by the way these armors are set up, I'd say lite) version.  Apparently, armor just got... bigger, over two years. 

[FireEye]

Sialater wrote...

One of these days we're going to get in an innuendo-off and we'll get the thread locked.

... but, it will be a glorious day, yes? 

[NICKjnp]

@Fire Eye..

She changed the armor.

[sagefic]

 chapter 48 up. speculation on extranet sites.

off to help liara.

[HighMoon]

I just got back here after a long break... the Tali thread is closed. OMG. O_O

Can't say I'm too sad to see them go, don't get me wrong I love Tali, but the fans were a bit too much.

EDIT: Now that the Tali thread is gone, I suppose that makes the Kaidan thread the largest one around? Woohoo!

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 13 août 2010 - 05:00 .

[sagefic]

hmmm... i must say, i personally try to avoid speculating on other fans and other threads. they're welcome to their fandom as long as we can enjoy ours.



with that said though, it is nice that this thread has so far avoided that sort of thing.



finally got the liara convo on illium - it's sad to me that so often in ME2 i find myself playing the renegade lines. in me1, kyrie was the straight up paragon, but cerberus is bringing out a bad side to her...



on topic: what are your favorite "out of character" (renegade for paragons, paragon for renegade) lines to kaidan?

[Aggie Punbot]

Well, I don't know if it counts since you can use it on any of the squadmates but when you're going to retrieve that nuclear bomb from an 'errant probe', when Kaidan says that the bomb was clearly moved there, I like being able to tell him, 'Your grasp of the obvious is inspiring.'

[FireEye]

I play across the board, so I can't really think of any based on alignment.  And the ones I can think of as OoC aren't ones I'm fond of (like telling him off after Eden Prime).



Damnit, Kaidan, stop violating the rules of physics!

(... And Kaidan's hair mesh is apparently named Kaiden.  Way to go, BioWare.  <_<)

[Chignon]

Morning!

sagequeen wrote...

yes, he is charmingly...deluding himself there. again though, i keep thinking that is completely an indication he wanted her and came for such purposes. i dunno. it sounded like something he rehearsed in his head - along with "it's been a pleasure"... 

You know, I've always thought this, too. It sounds a little rehearsed. Who knows how long he's been agonizing over what to say and when to say it?

[sapphyreelf]

sagequeen wrote...

finally got the liara convo on illium - it's sad to me that so often in ME2 i find myself playing the renegade lines. in me1, kyrie was the straight up paragon, but cerberus is bringing out a bad side to her...

on topic: what are your favorite "out of character" (renegade for paragons, paragon for renegade) lines to kaidan?

I'm not sure I really used any renegade lines on Kaidan. Actually, even though I'm Paragon in my playthrough, I find I like alot of the middle of the road options in the dialogue. It fits how I see the relationship better.

Also, Alexis had that problem too. She went from renegade barely being a blip on her radar in ME1 to almost a full bubble in ME2. She had anger control issues at times.

[*Kioux*]

From my pov, ME2 does entitle Shepard to be a little less Paragon - as well as frustrated and angry. Not so much because Cerberus brings out the worst in her but because she has simply been dropped by everyone else. Alliance doesn't approach her to come back - instead they called her paranoid and delusional or whatnot during her death, the Council... well, yeah. 'Have your title back but stay the hell away from the Citadel... actually all of Council space' and I am pretty sure she feels left alone when it comes to Kaidan and possibly even Liara.

(Forgive my typos or no sense sentences... I am still working on waking up.)

[Jade5233]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Well, I don't know if it counts since you can use it on any of the squadmates but when you're going to retrieve that nuclear bomb from an 'errant probe', when Kaidan says that the bomb was clearly moved there, I like being able to tell him, 'Your grasp of the obvious is inspiring.'

I did that one pretty much by accident this last time and felt terrible that I was so mean.  I wanted to appologize to him. 

[sagefic]

sapphyreelf wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

finally got the liara convo on illium - it's sad to me that so often in ME2 i find myself playing the renegade lines. in me1, kyrie was the straight up paragon, but cerberus is bringing out a bad side to her...

on topic: what are your favorite "out of character" (renegade for paragons, paragon for renegade) lines to kaidan?

I'm not sure I really used any renegade lines on Kaidan. Actually, even though I'm Paragon in my playthrough, I find I like alot of the middle of the road options in the dialogue. It fits how I see the relationship better.

Also, Alexis had that problem too. She went from renegade barely being a blip on her radar in ME1 to almost a full bubble in ME2. She had anger control issues at times.

it doesn't help that 1) it's much easier to pick up renegade points from simple convos - me1 you pretty much had to *do* something mean, not just talk tough and 2) most of the "cerberus is evil" lines start as paragon, but then end up on the renegade scale halfway through the game. in the collector ship, the paragon line is "oh, i'm sure there's an answer to this" while the renegade line is "TIM set us up!" is no wonder kyrie picked up renegade points.

[Sialater]

Yeah, I gave Avery the straight Paragon line on the Collector ship and didn't expect it to be quite as Pollyannaish as it came out. When both Garrus AND Tali tell you you're stupidly optimistic, there's a problem.



Meghan didn't renegade Kaidan till the night before Ilos. Having to steal the Normandy pissed her off.

[Nightodie]

Kioux wrote...

From my pov, ME2 does entitle Shepard to be a little less Paragon - as well as frustrated and angry. Not so much because Cerberus brings out the worst in her but because she has simply been dropped by everyone else. Alliance doesn't approach her to come back - instead they called her paranoid and delusional or whatnot during her death, the Council... well, yeah. 'Have your title back but stay the hell away from the Citadel... actually all of Council space' and I am pretty sure she feels left alone when it comes to Kaidan and possibly even Liara.
(Forgive my typos or no sense sentences... I am still working on waking up.)

I can see where she would be a bit vexed, but I really think it comes down to is who stood by her when there was no one she could trust... that is the one thing that bothered me about Horizon.  Not that he was upset... and yes that she couldn't explain, but that Garrus and Tali stood by her and Liara even helped her...

The fact that the man who loved her wouldn't even listen to her... yeah .. vexed is just the start of it....

On the other had... my little paragon ASSets are still just that!!!.... sorry, it's a curse...

Modifié par Nightodie, 13 août 2010 - 02:54 .

[sagefic]

 

"Shepard, clearly you need to stop trying to be so "paragon.""



"Can't kill him through the holograph. Go to a happy place, go to a happy place..."



"Grrr... Bad choice."



"Okay, try again, Shepard. Happy place..."



"Better. Maybe if I think further back..."



"Yeah..."





"Five minutes out from the next relay."



"Sigh..."


(Hmm...somehow screenshots don't work as well with hair spontaneously growing shorter. ah well. like kyrie, i am sad ME3 is so far off.)

Modifié par sagequeen, 13 août 2010 - 03:41 .

[syllogi]

Nightodie wrote...
I can see where she would be a bit vexed, but I really think it comes down to is who stood by her when there was no one she could trust... that is the one thing that bothered me about Horizon.  Not that he was upset... and yes that she couldn't explain, but that Garrus and Tali stood by her and Liara even helped her...

The fact that the man who loved her wouldn't even listen to her... yeah .. vexed is just the start of it....

On the other had... my little paragon ASSets are still just that!!!.... sorry, it's a curse...

I think that "getting past" Horizon as a Kaidan (or Ashley!) fan comes down to two things:

1) You "metagame" that scene in your mind, and think of it as bad writing, and you continue to believe that the Virmire Survivor is a good person who will be there for you in the last game.

2) If roleplaying, you justify the scene with your own particular Shepard's worldview, opinions about Cerberus and the Alliance, or use your imagination to infer that there are other things going on behind the scenes to make the Virmire Survivor AND Shepard to act the way they did on Horizon.

I wish there were more to go on in game to help with this, but that's what it comes down to.  Some people look at Horizon as Kaidan/Ashley betraying Shepard, or breaking up with them, but if you *want* to believe that good things will come to those who wait, you've got to take a leap of faith.

Not exactly what I was hoping for in terms of Kaidan's role in ME2, but there it is. 

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Nightodie wrote...
I can see where she would be a bit vexed, but I really think it comes down to is who stood by her when there was no one she could trust... that is the one thing that bothered me about Horizon.  Not that he was upset... and yes that she couldn't explain, but that Garrus and Tali stood by her and Liara even helped her...

The fact that the man who loved her wouldn't even listen to her... yeah .. vexed is just the start of it....

On the other had... my little paragon ASSets are still just that!!!.... sorry, it's a curse...

I think that "getting past" Horizon as a Kaidan (or Ashley!) fan comes down to two things:

1) You "metagame" that scene in your mind, and think of it as bad writing, and you continue to believe that the Virmire Survivor is a good person who will be there for you in the last game.

2) If roleplaying, you justify the scene with your own particular Shepard's worldview, opinions about Cerberus and the Alliance, or use your imagination to infer that there are other things going on behind the scenes to make the Virmire Survivor AND Shepard to act the way they did on Horizon.

I wish there were more to go on in game to help with this, but that's what it comes down to.  Some people look at Horizon as Kaidan/Ashley betraying Shepard, or breaking up with them, but if you *want* to believe that good things will come to those who wait, you've got to take a leap of faith.

Not exactly what I was hoping for in terms of Kaidan's role in ME2, but there it is. 

I had to have both Shepards have a different take on it.  It's too odd not to.

[sagefic]

TeenZombie wrote...

Nightodie wrote...
I can see where she would be a bit vexed, but I really think it comes down to is who stood by her when there was no one she could trust... that is the one thing that bothered me about Horizon.  Not that he was upset... and yes that she couldn't explain, but that Garrus and Tali stood by her and Liara even helped her...

The fact that the man who loved her wouldn't even listen to her... yeah .. vexed is just the start of it....

On the other had... my little paragon ASSets are still just that!!!.... sorry, it's a curse...

I think that "getting past" Horizon as a Kaidan (or Ashley!) fan comes down to two things:

1) You "metagame" that scene in your mind, and think of it as bad writing, and you continue to believe that the Virmire Survivor is a good person who will be there for you in the last game.

2) If roleplaying, you justify the scene with your own particular Shepard's worldview, opinions about Cerberus and the Alliance, or use your imagination to infer that there are other things going on behind the scenes to make the Virmire Survivor AND Shepard to act the way they did on Horizon.

I wish there were more to go on in game to help with this, but that's what it comes down to.  Some people look at Horizon as Kaidan/Ashley betraying Shepard, or breaking up with them, but if you *want* to believe that good things will come to those who wait, you've got to take a leap of faith.

Not exactly what I was hoping for in terms of Kaidan's role in ME2, but there it is. 

that is the way i took it, teen. but i think that last part is especially true "AND Shepard" - if you roleplay virmire, SHEPARD comes off as a total jerk. there is no way around that, i think. so either you have to figure that shepard is not a perfect mary sue, has her faults, and they all came pouring out on horizon or you have to think she was justified and the fault primarily lies with kaidan or you have to metagame and say "wtf? no paragon/renegade options or interrupts?" that's my take, anyhow. i chose to allow shepard to be imperfect in my head. in the end, i think it made for more fun playing and i liked her better for her faults.

of course, it makes me wonder what options she'll have for a reunion in me3

Modifié par sagequeen, 13 août 2010 - 04:12 .

[jillyfae]

In retrospect, I like the fact that the Horizon confrontation is so stressful, and so important to Shepard that s/he completely loses all his/her normal mental acuity. First time though? "But I always have a clever dialogue choice! Where'd it go?"

So, I like both Shepard and Alenko better after Horizon, cause it made them both more subtle characters. Unfortunately, it only does that if you put it in there yourself, so to speak, so I'm also a bit nervous about the ME3 reunion. *shrugs* We shall see.

[syllogi]

sagequeen wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...
I think that "getting past" Horizon as a Kaidan (or Ashley!) fan comes down to two things:

1) You "metagame" that scene in your mind, and think of it as bad writing, and you continue to believe that the Virmire Survivor is a good person who will be there for you in the last game.

2) If roleplaying, you justify the scene with your own particular Shepard's worldview, opinions about Cerberus and the Alliance, or use your imagination to infer that there are other things going on behind the scenes to make the Virmire Survivor AND Shepard to act the way they did on Horizon.

I wish there were more to go on in game to help with this, but that's what it comes down to.  Some people look at Horizon as Kaidan/Ashley betraying Shepard, or breaking up with them, but if you *want* to believe that good things will come to those who wait, you've got to take a leap of faith.
Not exactly what I was hoping for in terms of Kaidan's role in ME2, but there it is. 

that is the way i took it, teen. but i think that last part is especially true "AND Shepard" - if you roleplay virmire, SHEPARD comes off as a total jerk. there is no way around that, i think. so either you have to figure that shepard is not a perfect mary sue, has her faults, and they all came pouring out on horizon or you have to think she was justified and the fault primarily lies with kaidan or you have to metagame and say "wtf? no paragon/renegade options or interrupts?" that's my take, anyhow. i chose to allow shepard to be imperfect in my head. in the end, i think it made for more fun playing and i liked her better for her faults.

of course, it makes me wonder what options she'll have for a reunion in me3

This is why I feel like the writers have written themselves into a corner when it comes to the Virmire Survivor.  IF they make Kaidan/Ashley a teammate in ME3, there will be people like us, who will accept them back with open arms (at least on most of our characters), but there are plenty of people out there who don't want them back at all after Horizon, or want the chance to kill them.  Why would those people be happy, if the first person who joins your team in ME3 is the VS, and there is no way to turn them down/kill/get rid of them?  But I'd imagine that for story reasons, the VS will have plot armor, at least till close to the end of ME3. 

So, if they don't want the people who were angry about Horizon to feel even more disenfranchised, by not being able to airlock the VS, the writers have to find a way to "redeem" them, or put Horizon into a new context (they were instructed to stay away from Shepard, etc.).  Ignoring everything that was said in ME2 would be a huge mistake, even for players who didn't romance the VS in ME1.