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[Sialater]

Jade5233 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Sooo.... second trimester exposure?

Or third.

That's not to say that other exposed children had to be in 1st trimester in order to develop cancer.  it would depend on what other environmental influences there are and the genetics of the individual.

Kaidan's father was in the Alliance so perhaps he had some gene modifications that would have been passed on to Kaidan then that made him more resilient than children without military parents.

That would be interesting if all the other biotic children from the Singapore Incident were born from former Alliance personnel.

[Shenzi]

Since it's Thursday I just had my scheduled *squirrel* moment with the Exitus update.

http://www.fanfictio...09961/24/Exitus

Modifié par Shenzi, 19 août 2010 - 03:44 .

[Pacifien]

Shenzi wrote...
Since it's Thursday I just had my scheduled *squirrel* moment with the Exitus update.

http://www.fanfictio...09961/24/Exitus

I didn't like the previous chapter, as it was the first time I can recall sinvraal outright changing the story from what we see in the game. This chapter also pushes all the wrong buttons because... I have strong feelings about the rewrite/destroy decision (and I should clarify that I am a very strong true geth supporter).

She'll eventually get back to the story elements that don't push those buttons, I'm sure. But these past two chapters have been disappointing.

[Siansonea]

Pacifien wrote...

Shenzi wrote...
Since it's Thursday I just had my scheduled *squirrel* moment with the Exitus update.

http://www.fanfictio...09961/24/Exitus

I didn't like the previous chapter, as it was the first time I can recall sinvraal outright changing the story from what we see in the game. This chapter also pushes all the wrong buttons because... I have strong feelings about the rewrite/destroy decision (and I should clarify that I am a very strong true geth supporter).

She'll eventually get back to the story elements that don't push those buttons, I'm sure. But these past two chapters have been disappointing.

I liked the writing of the Kelly chapter, but I agree, it was jarring to have a complete divergence from the game storyline.

I tend to be a 'rewrite the heretics' kind of gal. I think that their memories of their time with Nazara are invaluable, and could possibly provide an advantage against the Reapers.

More on-topic: What would Kaidan have said/done if he had been there? Side with Shepard, or side with Tali?

[Collider]

I doubt Kaidan would be keen on brainwashing. Especially given his comments on Horizon - the fact that Cerberus has attempted brainwashing is part of why he abhors that organization.

I believe he would destroy the Heretics. Kaidan isn't an "ends to the means" (as observed by his opposition to Cerberus) guy - brainwashing the Geth isn't worth it just for supposed help against the Reapers.

Modifié par Collider, 19 août 2010 - 05:10 .

[Jade5233]

Siansonea II wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Shenzi wrote...
Since it's Thursday I just had my scheduled *squirrel* moment with the Exitus update.

http://www.fanfictio...09961/24/Exitus

I didn't like the previous chapter, as it was the first time I can recall sinvraal outright changing the story from what we see in the game. This chapter also pushes all the wrong buttons because... I have strong feelings about the rewrite/destroy decision (and I should clarify that I am a very strong true geth supporter).

She'll eventually get back to the story elements that don't push those buttons, I'm sure. But these past two chapters have been disappointing.

I liked the writing of the Kelly chapter, but I agree, it was jarring to have a complete divergence from the game storyline.

I tend to be a 'rewrite the heretics' kind of gal. I think that their memories of their time with Nazara are invaluable, and could possibly provide an advantage against the Reapers.

More on-topic: What would Kaidan have said/done if he had been there? Side with Shepard, or side with Tali?

Depends.  Judging by his reaction with the Rachni queen, he would like to consult the council.
But that was over 2 years before.  I really don't know enough about what had happened to the ME2 Kaidan in the past 2 years or how he would feel toward the geth at that point.

Generally, Kimbri followed the "What would Kaidan do/approve of" rule of thumb when she wasn't sure what to do.
In this case, however, she figured that it was better to re-write them than outright kill them.  As you said, that data would be valuable.  And she might gain the goodwill of the non-indoctrinated geth.  And she could use all of the Allies that she can get in the future war with the Reapers.  In this decision, for my Shepard, what Kaidan would say was irrelevant.

[Sialater]

But the Heretics were going to brainwash the true geth. That's why the program existed. Legion was turning the enemy's own weapon against them.

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...
But the Heretics were going to brainwash the true geth. That's why the program existed. Legion was turning the enemy's own weapon against them.

I don't think Kaidan is an eye for an eye kind of guy. He doesn't believe that Cerberus or anyone else is allowed to brainwash simply because their enemy is. Vrynus may call humans weak and denounce them, but Kaidan knows better than to generalize Turians. Likewise - the Reapers may indoctrinate, but Kaidan isn't going to support Cerberus doing the same.

Modifié par Collider, 19 août 2010 - 05:13 .

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

Sialater wrote...
But the Heretics were going to brainwash the true geth. That's why the program existed. Legion was turning the enemy's own weapon against them.

I don't think Kaidan is an eye for an eye kind of guy. He doesn't believe that Cerberus or anyone else is allowed to brainwash simply because their enemy is. Vrynus may call humans weak and denounce them, but Kaidan knows better than to generalize Turians. Likewise - the Reapers may indoctrinate, but Kaidan isn't going to support Cerberus doing the same.

Shepard isn't Cerberus.  At least my Shepards aren't.  Am I the only one who doesn't play as if Kaidan were Jiminy Cricket? 


And I was actually pointing that out because it seemed to have gotten lost that the program was intended for the "good guys" first.

Modifié par Sialater, 19 août 2010 - 05:18 .

[jillyfae]

Ella blew the geth up. She is strongly of the opinion that 'people' should be allowed to die for their beliefs. "Re-programming" the geth was too close to indoctrination, or slave collars. The geth had the right to rebel. Which made them her enemies, so she fought them. Not going to take away their right to fight back, however, just going to try and be better at it, so they die first.

[Collider]

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sialater wrote...
But the Heretics were going to brainwash the true geth. That's why the program existed. Legion was turning the enemy's own weapon against them.

I don't think Kaidan is an eye for an eye kind of guy. He doesn't believe that Cerberus or anyone else is allowed to brainwash simply because their enemy is. Vrynus may call humans weak and denounce them, but Kaidan knows better than to generalize Turians. Likewise - the Reapers may indoctrinate, but Kaidan isn't going to support Cerberus doing the same.

Shepard isn't Cerberus. 

That's not what Kaidan said on Horizon  Bottom line, I don't think Kaidan would justify brainwashing with the reasoning that their enemy is doing it. 

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sialater wrote...
But the Heretics were going to brainwash the true geth. That's why the program existed. Legion was turning the enemy's own weapon against them.

I don't think Kaidan is an eye for an eye kind of guy. He doesn't believe that Cerberus or anyone else is allowed to brainwash simply because their enemy is. Vrynus may call humans weak and denounce them, but Kaidan knows better than to generalize Turians. Likewise - the Reapers may indoctrinate, but Kaidan isn't going to support Cerberus doing the same.

Shepard isn't Cerberus. 

That's not what Kaidan said on Horizon  Bottom line, I don't think Kaidan would justify brainwashing with the reasoning that their enemy is doing it. 

True on both counts.  However... because of Horizon... he doesn't get a say any more.  I think even Avery would get irritated with him if he second guessed that decision.

[sagefic]

Sialater wrote...

They really need to nail down the specifics of Biotic Shepard's exposure and explaine why we weren't at BAaT.   I mean, is it really that difficult to add it to the background specific entry of THREE different Shepards, which is HALF the available skill sets?

i agree. while i think the reasons you come up with (late bloomer, not manifested yet) are good, the different shep backgrounds make it strange for shep's biotics. colonist makes sense: you could be off the grid enough not to get noticed right off or fitted for implants. spacer and earthborn are weirder. spacer could have reasonably gone to a different training, earthborn though doesn't enlist until 18. so you were running around w/o implants? 

i guess this is where each shep gets to make up their own reasoning. still, the wiki/codex give conflicting info and little to go on.

re-writing geth:

i've been thinking a lot about this, that there are some decisions in the ME universe that just don't sit well with shep as i play her. i think this is one. geth creep her (and me) out. religious background = "legion" is just freaking her out. she'll use it, but still.

there are far too many moments where shep has to make the hard call apart from rules and i think that would eventually grind her down a little. as opposed to the way the game wants to set her up, i see her as someone who *does* wonder if the decisions she made are the right ones. she doesn't agonize over it, has to move forward, but over the years, those choices have to add up to a lot of "what ifs." i think if shep is the kind of person who is sensitive enough to care about her crew, she's going to occasionally wonder about how things might have been different. you know, not enough to break her, but enough to give her some sleepless nights.

[Jade5233]

sagequeen wrote...

re-writing geth:

i've been thinking a lot about this, that there are some decisions in the ME universe that just don't sit well with shep as i play her. i think this is one. geth creep her (and me) out. religious background = "legion" is just freaking her out. she'll use it, but still.

there are far too many moments where shep has to make the hard call apart from rules and i think that would eventually grind her down a little. as opposed to the way the game wants to set her up, i see her as someone who *does* wonder if the decisions she made are the right ones. she doesn't agonize over it, has to move forward, but over the years, those choices have to add up to a lot of "what ifs." i think if shep is the kind of person who is sensitive enough to care about her crew, she's going to occasionally wonder about how things might have been different. you know, not enough to break her, but enough to give her some sleepless nights.

I would agree with you.  Kimbri second guesses a lot of decisions.  That one where you have to choose between the colonists and the spaceport is one where she's gone both ways (2 playthroughs).

I guess she saw it more as returning them to their original state before Sovreign indoctrinated them rather than a true brainwash--or that's what she tries to tell herself.

@ Sialater:  I don't necessarily see/role play Kaidan as Jimminy Cricket.  He didn't like Kimbri letting the Queen live without consulting the council, but short of being able to contact them, I think he may have killed her due to what he knew of the history if it were his call.  And he didn't want to give major Kyle time to talk to his people before the Alliance came to pick him up.
In my view, he tends to make decision that is the most conservative/least radical.  And saving lives are high on that list.  Even if the decision is a Paragon one, if it is more on the radical side he wouldn't be inclined to make the same call as my Shepard.
Does that make sense?

[siriusrambles]

Jade5233 wrote...
Or third.

That's not to say that other exposed children had to be in 1st trimester in order to develop cancer.  it would depend on what other environmental influences there are and the genetics of the individual.

Kaidan's father was in the Alliance so perhaps he had some gene modifications that would have been passed on to Kaidan then that made him more resilient than children without military parents.

i've wondered about kaidan's mother.  she could have been in the alliance along with his father thus altering her genetic code as well.  those factors coupled with late exposure may have played a role in lessening the effects of eezo on kaidan's system. 

it would be nice to have a date for the accident at the singapore spaceport instead of the vague reference. 

@jiminy cricket - someone should create a photo of him with kaidan's hair bump.

[Jade5233]

Okay thinking about the birthday thing.

Shepard's birthday is in April.

While chronologically, she'd be 32 in ME2 and Kaidan would be 35, that would put Kaidan's b-day before April in order for that to happen (let's put aside that whole incongruity with dates from the other day).

[Sialater]

Jade5233 wrote...

Okay thinking about the birthday thing.
Shepard's birthday is in April.
While chronologically, she'd be 32 in ME2 and Kaidan would be 35, that would put Kaidan's b-day before April in order for that to happen (let's put aside that whole incongruity with dates from the other day).

He's an Aquarius.

[JockBuster]

Shenzi wrote...

Since it's Thursday I just had my scheduled *squirrel* moment with the Exitus update.

http://www.fanfictio...09961/24/Exitus

Very nice, however I kill the heretics and blow up the station, ie NOT going to take any chances.'
And being a GRUNT fan, I love this line:
"They're your enemies, quarian," Grunt rumbled from beneath his heavy helmet, waving a hand as if to wipe the lot of them away with a gesture. "Your Warlord has given you the killing blow. Destroy them and be done with it! Repay the blood of your ancestors and take glory in your victory!"

[siriusrambles]

Jade5233 wrote...
Okay thinking about the birthday thing.
Shepard's birthday is in April.
While chronologically, she'd be 32 in ME2 and Kaidan would be 35, that would put Kaidan's b-day before April in order for that to happen (let's put aside that whole incongruity with dates from the other day).

i do not think kaidan is 35.  me2 happens in 2185.  he was born in 2151.  someone at bioware is gonna have to explain math to me.

i was born in 1978 therefore i'm 33?

Modifié par siriusrambles, 19 août 2010 - 06:20 .

[JockBuster]

siriusrambles wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
Okay thinking about the birthday thing.
Shepard's birthday is in April.
While chronologically, she'd be 32 in ME2 and Kaidan would be 35, that would put Kaidan's b-day before April in order for that to happen (let's put aside that whole incongruity with dates from the other day).

i do not think kaidan is 35.  me2 happens in 2185.  he's born in 2151.  someone at bioware is gonna have to explain math to me.

Their math is FUZZY, they round DOWN numbers (EXP on Normandy crash site 20 x 12.5 = 250 but they come up 240) and can't add very well either (7,500 + 7,500 = 7,500 not 15,000 recover the M-44).

[Jade5233]

@Sirius:  see my disclaimer at the end of my statement.  I know.  It makes no sense.  Then again, beside wikia, where do we get the date of his birth from?
Anyways, I was purposely just using Shepard's age and month of birth and his stated age in ME2 to make the extrapolation of birth month without taking the whole year problem into account.

[Sialater]

ME1 takes place over the space of a year. He had to have had a birthday during the hunt for Saren.

[siriusrambles]

@jade - i read your disclaimer. thanks for chatting with me about this because i'm ocd with game details. anyway, i looked for corroboration on kaidan's birth year and have not located anything besides the wikia entry. i assumed that was based on the codex. i probably assumed wrong.

*snip*
i'm not supposed to post it because of copyright laws.  oops.

Modifié par siriusrambles, 19 août 2010 - 07:14 .

[jillyfae]

siriusrambles wrote...
galactic codex: essentials edition 2183 is where i'm getting this information:

what's that?  Where's that?  something special edition-y?  Cause this...

2171 - Shepard officially detected as a biotic and fitted with L3 implants at 17.

isn't something I've seen anywhere before.  And is potentially quite neat.

[Kularexcal]

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