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Nightodie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I'm in agreement about a reset romance. It'd be nice to see a marked difference between a new Shep and one that's been with him since the beginning.

Then again, Kaidan might not even be a squadmate :/


Okay agree...

And Fort ... bite your tongue!!!

Yes that just better not happen!!!

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Who made that motivational?  Shouldn't it be "Disgust?" or is it supposed to be in LOLCatese?

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Or maybe the C looks like a G in the font? Hmmm...

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Dunno.... it just... brings out my inner grammar ****. I try to strangle her but she's got more lives than a cat and the regenerative abilities of a krogan.

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@Teen & Sia: Every time someone mentions Lady Hawke my brain stutters with mental images of Rutger Hauer and Michelle Pfeiffer. Not that having Mouse -style-random-commentary in DA2 wouldn't be fun, but... wrong world. Combines very oddly w/Thedas.

Re: Romance reset. I hope that you can't romance Liara or the VS in ME3 if you didn't already in ME1. (I know I'm in the minority there, but I want ME3 built for the long-term players, with an intro movie or something to explain it to the newbies, rather than being built for new players with a lot of little tiny easter eggs/emails/cameos as the only carry-over from the last two games.)

And my Spacer Shep really needs to be able to talk to her mom. (Have I mentioned that bothers me even more than not responding to Alenko's email? I mean, his email is just so fraught, waiting until you know you're not committing suicide again could make sense. But not calling or emailing your mother? Who you got to call in ME1? Disturbs me on many levels.)

eta:  cannot type. argh.

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fortunesque wrote...

I'm in agreement about a reset romance. It'd be nice to see a marked difference between a new Shep and one that's been with him since the beginning.

Then again, Kaidan might not even be a squadmate :/



Positivity Push: at least there's the hope of him being a squadmate in ME3, and he will at least make an appearance in ME3.  Hudson himself said the ME1 LIs were kept because they were important.  BioWare could've just made only one ME game, or only made Kaidan for ME1.


@jillyfae--the first thing I thought when I first saw the term, "Lady Hawke," was, "isn't that an old movie?"

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@Jilly: That bothered me too! Hence why I think the muse made me write a Shepard reunion with her mom long before she let me really explore anything with Alenko. Not that I did much other than the awkward silence while waiting.

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OMG okay I will fix it.. picky people... they want grammar too...

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Brodyaha wrote...

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huh. i may be one of the few kaidan fans then that actually prefers me2 on the whole - kaidan's role completely aside, obviously. though they really are so different it's hard to compare, especially storywise. but yeah, i do like me2 better. it's...colder, somehow, but better handling. me1 is warmer? but awkward play style. my opinion, however. like i said, i think that's the minority for kaidan fans.


@ sagequeen-- I understand exactly what you mean.  I replayed ME1 with a Paragade FemShep and I was definitely missing ME2 controls.  I also prefer ME2 on the whole, but it's hard to compare the stories because they're different.  I think ME1 was warmer because, besides the council, Shep was under the fuzzy Alliance blanket within a nice, warm house--she had Hackett, Anderson, a pre-made Alliance staff, and Alenko, with a few aliens picked up in the beginning of the game.  The Normandy SR-1 had nice warm, blue lighting.  In ME2, BioWare declared, "Oh, snap!" toward the storyline, and that fuzzy blanket is whipped away and replaced with a plastic Cerberus tarp.  And your Shep is thrown outside in raining weather.  Even the  Normandy SR-2's lighting is different--a cold, icy white flurescent light.  The team had to be rebuilt from scratch for the mission, minus the ship staff.
I think a lot of people didn't like ME2 because of that cold tarp and rain.


poor, shivering shep....

yeah. that.

and teen, i just now see pfiffer in that. dur. and i LOVE that movie, so bad on me for missing the reference. da2 will give me something to do while waiting for me3. in the meantime, fan fic and starcraft. and work, life -you know, those other things i sometimes do..:huh:

yeah, middle chapters are weird.  i think post-collector ship ME2 gets VERY open-ended and draggy until you hit end game. these endless sidequests are cool, and give a depth to the universe, but they also just kind of make the game feel unbalanced. again, you have endless talking on the quarian fleet (never went back to talk to kal before and i'm glad i did. loved his little convo there) but you can't say anything new to anderson re: kaidan except "i saw him on horizon - dur."

so yeah, at times it feels incredibly deep and thought out - (wow! message from the rachni! oooh, gina parasini is back! emails about every little sidequest i do!) but then other times it's like - who forgot about the reply button on kaidan's email??

but as my hubby points out every time i whine, that probably a design/programming decision, not a writer decision. so i'll just have to assume/hope that this loose ends were tabled until me3? i hope. the "we must deal with over 1000 decisions in me3" thing did make me hopeful that they are aware of their narrative weight going into the third part of the trilogy. i just hope they are hearing from the fans that we'd like a little more from the existing LIs, squaddie banter, etc.

eh...i'm rambling now.:wizard:

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Nightodie wrote...

OMG okay I will fix it.. picky people... they want grammar too...



I <3 you, Night!  Sorry, I couldn't silence her any more!  I even tried bribery!

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sagequeen wrote...

but as my hubby points out every time i whine, that probably a design/programming decision, not a writer decision. so i'll just have to assume/hope that this loose ends were tabled until me3? i hope. the "we must deal with over 1000 decisions in me3" thing did make me hopeful that they are aware of their narrative weight going into the third part of the trilogy. i just hope they are hearing from the fans that we'd like a little more from the existing LIs, squaddie banter, etc.

eh...i'm rambling now.:wizard:


Sorry for being pessimistic yet again, but they also said that around 700 variables - not decisions - would carry over if you choose to import a game from ME1 to ME2.

I also hope that they listen to the fans and not game critics and their "overly referential" talk.

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At long last... Kaidan started talking again.  I have an update:  Chapter 24 of A Paragon of Virtue.

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Thank you, Night!

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sagequeen wrote...
so yeah, at times it feels incredibly deep and thought out - (wow! message from the rachni! oooh, gina parasini is back! emails about every little sidequest i do!) but then other times it's like - who forgot about the reply button on kaidan's email??

but as my hubby points out every time i whine, that probably a design/programming decision, not a writer decision. so i'll just have to assume/hope that this loose ends were tabled until me3? i hope. the "we must deal with over 1000 decisions in me3" thing did make me hopeful that they are aware of their narrative weight going into the third part of the trilogy. i just hope they are hearing from the fans that we'd like a little more from the existing LIs, squaddie banter, etc.

my issue was the inconsistent writing in me2.  at times it was eloquent and other times a mess.  maybe your hubby's right and it was a programming decision.  that i could forgive.  although i'd still like a sharper plot in me3. 

also, i'm with ya on listenting to fans:  squad banter, love interest resolutions for all parties, more crew dialogue including friendship as well as romance, interweave decisions from the previous two games, elevator conversations and return the mako (okay not everyone is on board with that one but i loved it.). 

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mako *shudder*



but yes to the rest. i don't mind the mako per se. i just am very OCD in collecting things. so i had to go to every corner of the maps and always got stuck.



if BW takes what they did right in the first game, combines it with what was right about the second, then that would be a game full of win.



i keep suspecting that the movie is actually a move to get people who played neither the first nor the second games on board with the story before the release of the 3rd game. i keep trying to get friends to play ME, but they just balk at playing the first game to get to the 2nd. meh.



edit: i first typed "men" not "meh" but that fruedian slip was oddly accurate. it is my guy gamer friends who say "i don't like the long stories" - bizarre.

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oh, and next chapter is up, no thanks to ff.net's dithering.  have a nice weekend all.

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FWIW: I generally enjoy the dark middle of trilogies, but I don't think ME2 is very dark at all. ME1 was far darker and far heavier for me, personally.



... And I'm... kinda worried that there's not enough Kaidan in this ME2/ME1 discussion, so if it's gonna continue (which I wouldn't mind - I like seeing people's opinions), does anyone else object to maybe moving it to the group?

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Hah, if Mass Effect 2 is the equivilant of The Empire Strikes Back, then Twilight is the equivilant of Shakespeare.


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Go for it, FireEye.

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Nightodie wrote...

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Would you kill me if I pointed out that there is no 't' in 'enough'?

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Hah, if Mass Effect 2 is the equivilant of The Empire Strikes Back, then Twilight is the equivilant of Shakespeare.


Yeah...I can't really compare this trilogy to any others.  I'm just hoping at this point that they bring the story back on course, and they wrap up all of the romance plots in a satisfying way.

Bringing the subject back closer to Kaidan, while still thinking about ME3, do you want Kaidan on your team for the final fight of ME3?  And who else would you want, assuming that we'll still have a choice of two characters to bring along?

Personally, I'd like my final team to be Kaidan and Liara, or Kaidan and Miranda, if possible.  Liara has been integral to the plot of both games, and Miranda is my ME2 BFF.  I always take her with me to the final fight, even before I knew she had unique dialogue about quitting Cerberus.  It would be really nice if every character had a little "moment' at the end that was unique to them.

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Tali & Garrus. As they are my most favorite characters along with Kaidan. Friends 4 life, man. I hope I get to bromance Kaidan in ME3.

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FireEye wrote...
... And I'm... kinda worried that there's not enough Kaidan in this ME2/ME1 discussion, so if it's gonna continue (which I wouldn't mind - I like seeing people's opinions), does anyone else object to maybe moving it to the group?

i'd prefer discussing it in the group.  that's why i was censoring myself since i was unsure how to relate it to kaidan.  i generally do not like talking about my opinions in the kast because you get labeled a hater by people that report the goings-on here elsewhere.

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Made a thread in the group for ME1-ME2 discussion.  Now back to Kaidan.  ^_^

TeenZombie wrote...

Bringing the subject back closer to Kaidan, while still thinking about ME3, do you want Kaidan on your team for the final fight of ME3?  And who else would you want, assuming that we'll still have a choice of two characters to bring along?

Personally, I'd like my final team to be Kaidan and Liara, or Kaidan and Miranda, if possible.  Liara has been integral to the plot of both games, and Miranda is my ME2 BFF.  I always take her with me to the final fight, even before I knew she had unique dialogue about quitting Cerberus.  It would be really nice if every character had a little "moment' at the end that was unique to them.


Kaidan and Wrex.  If Wrex is not available, like he probably won't be, then possibly Liara, but equally possibly Kasumi or Legion.  Even if we get another suicide mission and they all die with Shepard in a heroic sacrifice for the fate of the galaxy.  :crying:

I think I need to think some happy thoughts.  :huh:

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... much better.  ^_^

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TeenZombie wrote...
Bringing the subject back closer to Kaidan, while still thinking about ME3, do you want Kaidan on your team for the final fight of ME3?  And who else would you want, assuming that we'll still have a choice of two characters to bring along

yes, i want kaidan on my team during the final battle.  he's one of the few squadmates i trust implicitly.  the second slot is up in the air.  depending on what abilities kaidan and i have, someone that compliments us.

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