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Ariaya wrote...

sapphyreelf, I can definitely understand Kaidan trying to move forward with his life after two years. Like you said, she was "dead." And I can't even begin to imagine how guilty he must have felt, hence my feeling that he would have taken her death very very hard. But it's the way he expresses himself in his message that irks me. And an email? These are things you talk about face to face. Of course, I suppose he didn't have many options...

Okay, okay....Kaidan email = huge sore spot for me. But even given all that, I (and my Shepard) would definitely have the capacity to forgive him and I hope we get the chance in ME3.


I completely understand your feelings on this.  Loved is entirely one of my Shep's attempts to deal with it.  Of course, given Meg's emotional maturity, she doesn't deal with it well.

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@Ariaya

A lot of us have interpreted it this way:

He says that his friends finally convinced him to go on a casual date. He also says that it was nothing serious but he was just trying to be normal.



So we've got someone who is forcing himself to try to be normal even after two years of Shepard being dead.



And in the meantime, he's on a super secret mission from Anderson (some of us suspect that he's a Spectre). He literally *can't* join up with Shepard, and his morals prevent him from working with terrorists (Cerberus) anyway. So he gives her the space she needs to work rather than hounding her.

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The teasing is over.  Sappyreelf, Jillyfae and I have officially posted our AU Collaboration.  The Shepard Project.  (And yes, there is plenty of Kaidan.)

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I actually like his email, to me its typical Kaidan. He's in shock, he's hurting, and he's leaving you both a way out. And has has already been said the idea of resurrection is pretty far fetched and would take a while for him to believe. Shepard's dialogue on Horizon doesn't help either. Shepard basically spouts TIM's line of the Alliance is doing nothing, and Cerberus are the only ones who are, which is untrue given that Kaidan is supposedly on Horizon to callibrate the guns provided by the Alliance.

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Also, the poor guy couldn't even get the gun online :/

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fortunesque wrote...

Also, the poor guy couldn't even get the gun online :/


Oooh, lookit that... Hi, gutter!

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Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Also, the poor guy couldn't even get the gun online :/


Oooh, lookit that... Hi, gutter!


Well, Shep definitely helped him solve that particular problem. Posted Image

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Indeed.
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What enthincty is Kadian?

Mexican maybe

Italian?

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There is no consensus on his ethnicity other than "sexy."

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I still vote Greek/Italian mmmmm

...but yea, he should just check 'sexy' on any forms he fills out

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Sialater wrote...

There is no consensus on his ethnicity other than "sexy."



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Shadow_broker wrote...

Sialater wrote...

There is no consensus on his ethnicity other than "sexy."



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It's a joke, dude.  Because honestly, we have no clue.  All we know is, he's actually possibly Canadian because his parents retired to Vancouver.  What his genetic ethnicity is, is unkown.  We've posited everything from part Lebanese, to part Japanese, to part Brazilian and/or Continental Spanish.  Or all of the above.

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Sialater wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Sialater wrote...

There is no consensus on his ethnicity other than "sexy."



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It's a joke, dude.  Because honestly, we have no clue.  All we know is, he's actually possibly Canadian because his parents retired to Vancouver.  What his genetic ethnicity is, is unkown.  We've posited everything from part Lebanese, to part Japanese, to part Brazilian and/or Continental Spanish.  Or all of the above.

I read in some part of the wikia while trying to look something different up that a lot of humans are a heavily  Indian and northern european mix.  But that fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes are rare traits in that time period.

So actually, a lot of our fair Shepards would seem much more exotic to them, whereas I think Kaidan's genetic blend seems rather exotic to us.

Ariaya: We understand.  ME2 is hard on Kaidan and Ash fans.  Horizon is hurtful by design.
I know that I fluctuate at various times between angy at Kaidan for turning his back but more often angry at Shepard for not being more open with the guy or trying harder.  "Been a long time.  How'vya been" isn't the way that I would particularly open my conversation with  him--especially after he gives that lovely intro of you to that colonist jerk.  With Shepard's cold reception of him, you can just watch in the animation Kaidan's growing anger and hurt which leads to a lot of what he says and does.

Like the other ladies said, the resurrection thing is a hard pill to swallow.  For us, the game is fiction and we're used to seeing that plot device.  But to the characters, its real life to them.  And its a pretty lame cover story probably in his mind.  The poor guy has been mourning her for two years.  He's only now starting (and probably rather pathetically at that) to try to move on with his personal life.  Then he's confronted with the woman that he gave his heart to.  He finds out that she's working for a terrorist organization that he's spent a lot of time fighting.  The idea that she's always been with them--that she spied on the Alliance and that she flat out used him would be a more logical conclusion than the story that someone paid 4 billion dollars to bring her back from the dead.  And that conclusion that perhaps she never felt anything for him after he's loved her so faithfully even after her death had to hurt like hell.

I think that Kaidan's message is beautifully written.  Its just so...raw.  And you read the words but, at least to me, you can practically read his emotional state and thoughts behind those words.  He loves her.  He wants to believe her.  But he doesn't know what to believe about anything anymore.  He says that that night before Ilos meant everything to him.  That "everything" chokes me up every time.  But was it real for her or just part of her game?
Is the message something that Kaidan carefully thought out?  No.  And that's why is seems to warble a bit.  But he's being as honest and open as I think he's capable of being at that moment.  And its just so Kaidan.  Even at the end where he takes a half-step back so that he can try to give her the lead and know where to go from there.

I love that message.  Its a highlight of the game for me.  My first character likely would have fallen into Garrus's arms out of friendship and looking for comfort if not for that message.  It gave her the one little ray of hope in the game.  Because of him even sending the message and definitely from what she reads in it, my character is confident that they can work things out and it gives her incentive to fight all the harder to make the right decisions and to make it through to get back to him.

Anyways, my take on it.  A link to what my Kimbri would have written in response is in my sig.

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Wow, Jade....your take on Kaidan's message definitely gives me a few other perspectives to think about. Horizon is just such a difficult encounter for them both. I have always wished that Shepard had more options, more things to say. And I totally agree that "It's been a long time, Kaidan." was a pretty lame response. But I do think, essentially, you have two people that really do love one another, that are hurting pretty terribly, and that have been thrust into some very unfortunate circumstances. Ah, angst.



As much as Horizon kills me, I think it was pretty brilliant on Bioware's part. I think I could easily spend the next year pondering over it and still never quite wrap my head or my heart around it. That's some pretty amazing storytelling.



This thread is dangerous. I have a heap of laundry that I haven't attended to because I've been reading all of these AMAZING fanfics. Really guys and gals, I'm just floored by some of the writing I've encountered. :)




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Ariaya wrote...
The post-Horizon email made me absolutely insane. I think it bothered me even more than Kaidan's reaction in person. So I wrote my first story, which is still a work in progress, and I came up with a way to "handle" Kaidan's message.

Against All Odds

i've never thought about the possibilty tim and miranda doctored kaidan's message.  i'll have to add that to my list of cerberus conspiraces theories.  i should start a 'secret schemes' thread in the kaas.

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@Jade-- everything you said. :)



I hope BW addresses the email --reply issue in ME3, lest Kaidan get mad again.

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Ariaya wrote...

Wow, Jade....your take on Kaidan's message definitely gives me a few other perspectives to think about. Horizon is just such a difficult encounter for them both. I have always wished that Shepard had more options, more things to say. And I totally agree that "It's been a long time, Kaidan." was a pretty lame response. But I do think, essentially, you have two people that really do love one another, that are hurting pretty terribly, and that have been thrust into some very unfortunate circumstances. Ah, angst.

As much as Horizon kills me, I think it was pretty brilliant on Bioware's part. I think I could easily spend the next year pondering over it and still never quite wrap my head or my heart around it. That's some pretty amazing storytelling.

This thread is dangerous. I have a heap of laundry that I haven't attended to because I've been reading all of these AMAZING fanfics. Really guys and gals, I'm just floored by some of the writing I've encountered. :)


I'm in the group of people that hate Horizon, but I don't hate it for Kaidan's actions which are justifiable given the circumstances. 

I think Horizon had the potential to truly be amazing but the actual implementation of it sucked and it came across like a cheesy plot device designed to give the player permission to try out one of  the "amazing ME2 romances" (BW made a statement to that affect once about the ME2 LIs).

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Shadow_broker wrote...

Sialater wrote...

There is no consensus on his ethnicity other than "sexy."



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Oh, this sort of thing happens in the non-LI support threads too.

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Shenzi wrote...


I'm in the group of people that hate Horizon, but I don't hate it for Kaidan's actions which are justifiable given the circumstances. 

I think Horizon had the potential to truly be amazing but the actual implementation of it sucked and it came across like a cheesy plot device designed to give the player permission to try out one of  the "amazing ME2 romances" (BW made a statement to that affect once about the ME2 LIs).

Click of the link in my sig which says "Inspiration for JBHWTBA" if you want to see what my biggest problem with the scene is, everyone else around here already is most likely sick of seeing it. Posted Image


Thank you, I couldn't have said it better. Horizon felt a bit like Bioware giving the player a carte blanche to go and try out the new LIs.

I'm curious how they'll handle the promised "dire consequences" if you did indeed try them out.

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Shadow_broker wrote...

What enthincty is Kadian?
Mexican maybe
Italian?

How do you not know? If you are the Shadow_broker you should tell us :P;)

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Jenova65 wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

What enthincty is Kadian?
Mexican maybe
Italian?

How do you not know? If you are the Shadow_broker you should tell us :P;)

*laughs*

@ Ariaya:  One of the really cool things that I've found about being here and reading some of the FF is that there are a number of things that I never thought about or considered--angles that I didn't catch.  Other people here did and bring them out.  Or it makes me think about it more deeply.  I just makes the ME world that much richer.

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I'm with Shenzi that Horizon could have been amazing but just fell flat due to poor implementation. I can't even be angry or hurt or anything because it just fell that flat in my opinion. The first part always floors me: Kaidan's voice as he steps out from behind the crates, his introduction, the "I thought you were dead. We all did." The hug. Then Shepard opened her mouth and I was like WTF? That is nowhere near an adequate response in this situation

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Joisan wrote...

I'm with Shenzi that Horizon could have been amazing but just fell flat due to poor implementation. I can't even be angry or hurt or anything because it just fell that flat in my opinion. The first part always floors me: Kaidan's voice as he steps out from behind the crates, his introduction, the "I thought you were dead. We all did." The hug. Then Shepard opened her mouth and I was like WTF? That is nowhere near an adequate response in this situation


*Shepard.... was in love with Kaidan/Ashley... and it has only been a couple weeks to Shepard rather than two years*

*Kaidan/Ashley and Shepard hug*

Shepard:  It's been a long time *in a high five voice*.  How have you been?

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Our incredibly eloquent, dynamic, charismatic Commander Shepard who talked the Council into making her the first human Spectre, convinced Saren Aterius to redeem his honor with his suicide, and then get her friend Tali off charges of treason with only the strength of her convictions says to the man she supposedly loves, "How you doin'?" when she reappears after being dead for two years.



I'll take crappy writing for 1000, Alex.