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[Forum Aura]

FireEye wrote...

And the locker scene... I like the locker scene a lot, in part for the human weakness factor, even if I can never figure out what Shepard is doing to her locker before she does that little fall thing.

Coupled with what someone earlier mentioned as Shepard's one moment of human weakness, I always had the strong feeling that this is where Shepard truly does crumble - even if just for a moment. Take a look at the beginning of any video of the locker scene. See the way her shoulders tremble a bit? Almost like she's biting back the tears, but still shuddering from the sobs. She's taken by surprise when Kaidan appears, (it's hard to tell, but some videos show her left hand dropping from what could be her face, so perhaps she's checking for any rogue tears), puts back on her mask for "duty", then the dialogue ensues.
Going with this theory, watch Kaidan as he approaches. When Shepard looks up to him then away for a moment, he too glances around, which makes me think [her watery eyes] gave him a bit of a nervous flutter, or momentary pause. His line "Commander, are you alright?" edges on the affection that he no doubt has for her, but then he remembers to don his mask and follows with a less personal, more dutiful matter-at-hand "I'm sure there's a way to repeal." His attempt at comforting, but not stepping over any boundaries - in effect, "leaving a way out", as he later says.

That's all speculation, though. Has anyone else had similar thoughts?

[Chignon]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

 

Modifié par Chignon, 27 août 2010 - 02:27 .

[fortunesque]

Chignon wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

 

That's what she said. 

[fortunesque]

Well, she'll be certainly feeling a human if things continue with him in ME3 XD



But yeah, I agree with you. Horizon wasn't the way a normal person should react to a situation. It really turns Shepard into even more of a Sue than before.

[FireEye]

Forum Aura wrote...

Coupled with what someone earlier mentioned as Shepard's one moment of human weakness, I always had the strong feeling that this is where Shepard truly does crumble - even if just for a moment. Take a look at the beginning of any video of the locker scene. See the way her shoulders tremble a bit? Almost like she's biting back the tears, but still shuddering from the sobs. She's taken by surprise when Kaidan appears, (it's hard to tell, but some videos show her left hand dropping from what could be her face, so perhaps she's checking for any rogue tears), puts back on her mask for "duty", then the dialogue ensues.
Going with this theory, watch Kaidan as he approaches. When Shepard looks up to him then away for a moment, he too glances around, which makes me think [her watery eyes] gave him a bit of a nervous flutter, or momentary pause. His line "Commander, are you alright?" edges on the affection that he no doubt has for her, but then he remembers to don his mask and follows with a less personal, more dutiful matter-at-hand "I'm sure there's a way to repeal." His attempt at comforting, but not stepping over any boundaries - in effect, "leaving a way out", as he later says.

That's all speculation, though. Has anyone else had similar thoughts?

You know, I think you're right?  Every time I saw that scene, I was confused because I thought Shepard was having trouble trying to get into her locker (but it was open, because I looted it) or rummaging around (but she was far too low and to the side).  I figured it was just a poor graphical lineup.

I'll have to compare the next time I see it, but I just pulled it up on YouTube and I think it could be definitely read as Shepard wandering over there for a quiet little breakdown. 

Fortunately for some Shepards, there's Kaidan for moral support or the galaxy might never be saved.  :innocent:

[Collider]

Yea - the locker scene was an example of how Shepard could be vulnerable and not some infallible action hero with no issues. The closest thing to that in ME2 was where F!Shepard could tell Jacob some of her problems.

Modifié par Collider, 27 août 2010 - 03:16 .

[Joisan]

I definitely saw the shaking shoulders as Shepard crying, or nearly crying (Edit) Forum Aura, so I'm right with you there.

Damn, I saw your avatar and assumed you were Sia.  Serves me right for not paying more attention.

Modifié par Joisan, 27 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[Forum Aura]

fortunesque wrote...

Well, she'll be certainly feeling a human if things continue with him in ME3 XD

But yeah, I agree with you. Horizon wasn't the way a normal person should react to a situation. It really turns Shepard into even more of a Sue than before.

Agreed!  She'd better be feeling a lot of human...

Also, this touches on a recent topic (and scuba-gutter-dives, of course, since I'm only skimming), but I want a love scene on par with ME1 to appear in ME3. ME2 was so stale and un-emotionally involved with the romance climax. I feel that it's very clear M!Shep gets the top-notch touches when it comes to romances, as Miranda's, Tali's, and Jack's romance scenes are the most defined IMO. F!Shep's? Not so much as a kiss (except for Thane)!
ME1, and even DA:O, set the bar for the level of intimacy I want to see in ME3. It may sound rather forceful, but I'm really not willing to settle for less after waiting x number of years for a chance to resume my Shep's relationship with Kaidan, which was so wrongfully stolen from me in ME2!

Okay... end rant. 

As for Shepard's reactions on Horizon... I was far from satisfied. Though a woman of her stature wouldn't let something of the past whittle her down to nothing, losing two years of your life has to be traumatic. The most afflicted moment she reveals is when she says on the shuttle with Miri and Jacob in disbelief, "Was I really gone for two years?" and Jacob replies something like "Two years and twelve days".
Then... poof! She's over it. It's not like everyone else will remember those two years. It'll be like it all just happened yesterday.

...Oh, wait... 

[sagefic]

i think ME2 skimmed a LOT of the interpersonal stuff in favor of other things. i feel like i can roleplay-spin it in my head, but it did really take shep from a person - the person the player created - into just "badass man - or, oh wait, you're playing femshep? huh. okay, put on this dress and walk around like a man"



again, shep lost personality in ME2. it was too bad. there are moments it is there (paragon vs. al-jilani rant) but often it was lost. i think the problem is that the majority of vocal players preferred being a badass renegade with no heart and those who liked shep a little more human simply weren't heard.

[Joisan]

What is that expression on his face supposed to be? Umm... *Glances at where his hand is and does a swan dive deep into the gutter*

[Forum Aura]

 

I admit, this is part of the reason he's always in my party in ME1. 

[sagefic]

so incidentally, i just finished Overlord and am now thinking kyrie shep wants to go snuggle kaidan for comfort. and i am feeling like bombing the heck out of cerberus all over again.

[Jean]

I have a question... I know a lot of people like to share what their favorite line Kaidan says, but what about the worst?(no, I don't mean lines on Horizon or elsewhere that make you feel sad) I'm talking more about voice actor fail in this. Poorly delivered lines.

I'd have to say, Alistair's worst delivered line was: omaigosh they just left him up dar, we gots to do somethin'!"

[Jean]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I'm pretty sure I'd have to nominate "Joker is waiting for you on the bridge" but that was partially writer fail as well so I don't know how much blame Kaidan should bear for that. Still his delivery is very...abrupt to say the least. Otherwise, I can't think of anything he says that particularly irks me.

Neither can I, but I assume most people here would know a fe wmore lines than I would.

[AkodoRyu]

@dolls: I have one wooden doll, you know, mannequin for drawing, but I think I prefer it face-, gender- and nameless ;p



@The art above - seen it earlier, I wonder if the expression has to do something with the bashing below. I mean, the author made it only to prove she can draw men too. Well, whatever.



@Personal stuff - yes, I agree that Shepard became something more of a form you have to fill to create a protagonist. I understand this was the goal, but for me, the blanks are too big to shape a full character, I don't find enough "input" from BioWare besides "This is Shepard, a kick ass cool guy who saves the galaxy and does everything to get the job done". So instead of penetrating the plot, the game seems to be more bland at every next play-trough.



And yeah, I'm in the "locker scene" camp too. Was nice to see Shepard frustrated and taken by surprise. I would be too, if I was trying to hide my true face to the world. And it was nice to see Kaidan completely confirming those emotions. He was fully at her side, willing to help her as he could. Stumbling around a bit like he always do, but still.

[AkodoRyu]

Ah, no prob, I we were given a nickel every time we see bashing, we could fund BW and force 'em to make VS DLC. I just mentioned it because author was like "I drew Kaiden, but he's a whiner". I understand artists want/have to draw characters they don't like too, but this seemed pointless.

[FireEye]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hmm, on that pic, sorry it linked to some bashing. I didn't notice that until after I posted a direct link.  I didn't read the comments under it as I just noticed it in a "by the way" kind of way while looking for other stuff and couldn't recall seeing it before.  I just thought some people might want a link so they could favorite it if they wanted.  I removed the link so nobody else stumbles into it.  And as for the expression, I just took it as "insert sexy pose here." I don't think it is supposed to mean anything in particular.

Yeah.  I found that one a while back and I'm still torn on it, because it's nice enough but... the bashing. 

Ah well.  I appreciate the sentiment at least.  Thank you for sharing it. 

[Bugsie]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Ah, no prob, I we were given a nickel every time we see bashing, we could fund BW and force 'em to make VS DLC. I just mentioned it because author was like "I drew Kaiden, but he's a whiner". I understand artists want/have to draw characters they don't like too, but this seemed pointless.

Bashing is totally pointless, but I was too busy staring at his torso to notice . 

Kaidan is not a whiner, he's a thoughful soul, and that my friends is totally HOT.