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[Nightodie]

I am in Jaer's court I believe he is the younger sibling ... I just can't decide on the older ones yet... but I will when I need to.


Walls Chapter 42 is up if you're intersted.

Here is a squeeze if you're not:

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Because everyone knows... it's my favorite...

[Daewan]

Sialater wrote...

I don't actually like most of what anyone says on Noveria.

Really?  There are some Renegade gems on Noveria.

[siriusrambles]

i think kaidan could be older, middle, younger or only depending on how you view him. i oscillate on this subject.

[oyukichan]

Forum Aura wrote...

FireEye wrote...

And the locker scene... I like the locker scene a lot, in part for the human weakness factor, even if I can never figure out what Shepard is doing to her locker before she does that little fall thing.

Coupled with what someone earlier mentioned as Shepard's one moment of human weakness, I always had the strong feeling that this is where Shepard truly does crumble - even if just for a moment. Take a look at the beginning of any video of the locker scene. See the way her shoulders tremble a bit? Almost like she's biting back the tears, but still shuddering from the sobs. She's taken by surprise when Kaidan appears, (it's hard to tell, but some videos show her left hand dropping from what could be her face, so perhaps she's checking for any rogue tears), puts back on her mask for "duty", then the dialogue ensues.
Going with this theory, watch Kaidan as he approaches. When Shepard looks up to him then away for a moment, he too glances around, which makes me think [her watery eyes] gave him a bit of a nervous flutter, or momentary pause. His line "Commander, are you alright?" edges on the affection that he no doubt has for her, but then he remembers to don his mask and follows with a less personal, more dutiful matter-at-hand "I'm sure there's a way to repeal." His attempt at comforting, but not stepping over any boundaries - in effect, "leaving a way out", as he later says.

That's all speculation, though. Has anyone else had similar thoughts?

Yes, I have these thoughts exactly.  In mine, Shepard punches the locker or floor (can't remember which), then starts crying out of frustration/feeling like the one sacrificed on Virmire was completely ignored because of the Council's reaction.  Hits home a little more for my sole survivor Shep, who really really does not want to lose anyone under her command.

[sagefic]

Daewan wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't actually like most of what anyone says on Noveria.

Really?  There are some Renegade gems on Noveria.

i think she was referring to the squaddie comments re: the cold. i'm going to have to second that - not my favorite of the squaddie stuff.

however, RTFM was one of my favorite lines ever. and asari fetish sites. and i love gina parasini. okay, i'm done now

[oyukichan]

sagequeen wrote...

Daewan wrote...

Sialater wrote...

I don't actually like most of what anyone says on Noveria.

Really?  There are some Renegade gems on Noveria.

i think she was referring to the squaddie comments re: the cold. i'm going to have to second that - not my favorite of the squaddie stuff.

however, RTFM was one of my favorite lines ever. and asari fetish sites. and i love gina parasini. okay, i'm done now

Wow (just watched it on youtube), I don't think I've ever gotten the RTFM line.

Edit: Oh!  And Kaidan has always struck me as an only child or firstborn.  Though, in all honesty, he's not self-absorbed enough to be an only (compared to the ones I know).  He does strike me as having the "taking care of the young'uns" type of firstborn mentality, as well as the being more reserved and thinking before acting (minus the word vomit we were discussing yesterday) traits that I normally attribute to being oldest (like me, ha!).

Modifié par AurinShepard, 27 août 2010 - 04:52 .

[Chignon]

Very good points. It might've been hard to reconnect to his parents and possible siblings after being seperated for such a long time.
JaerWolfe wrote an excellent story that deals with Kaidan's family as well. He's the youngest with two older sisters in this one.

[Jade5233]

Shavon wrote...

In fic, a lot of people tend to give Kaidan a younger sister . . . . it's my impression that Kaidan's mom dies while he is young, though. Not sure where I get this, but it seems hinted at during this transport accident that exposed him to eezo in the womb. Or I am completely mistaken.

Anyway, if Kaidan were to have siblings, I totally see him having a little sister. I've read several portrayals of this: In Fort's Parallax, she's as distant as his parents are towards him, but in others, I've seen them have an adorable relationship. I wonder if Kaidan visited earth between ME1 and 2, and if so, did he meet his parents? Surely the crew would have had some shore leave, to recover from the Normandy crash. I hope in the V.S., or if not, ME3, we learn a little bit more of what Ash and Kaidan went through during those two years, since we really didn't get to know much about it.

Silly Horizon. =/

I wonder if the eezo exposure would have caused future pregnancy complications for his mother.  Or there may have been rear that it would affect the next pregnancy.  For that reason, I never really saw him with younger sibs.  I kinda see him as an only child--kinda a perfectionist and ultra controlled go along with that.

BTW--I was playing my mShep today post-Therum.  And Kaidan said that Liara was easy on the eyes.  When mShep asked if he had intentions there, he told mShep that it was just art appreciation.

[fortunesque]

I've got my own version of Kaidan's family in Parallax that I think works well with how he was shaped and how he is. With the extremely few lines that he has about his family, you have to draw conclusions and connect the dots.



My scenario is that Kaidan's mom is obsessed with hopefully getting grandchildren and seems to be out of touch with her son's life. The sweater comment on Noveria struck me as strange. If this place has a rep for bad experiments and shady stuff, then why suggest that he wear a sweater? He's a soldier also... they have official items that they wear. Anyway, I get the impression of a dingy out of touch woman that views the world with rose-tinted glasses.



His line about his father "It made him proud when I enlisted.... *mumble* eventually. *quick subject change* But is that why you're here? Because of family?" gives the impression of a typical son trying to impress his father. I took the 'eventually' part as his father eventually and begrudgingly accepting his son as a 'man', but I sense a great disconnect there.



Then I took the liberty of giving them a daughter that they had while Kaidan was at BAaT. It makes sense imo because they had no contact with him. It would be very possible that they had a 'replacement child' (as awful as that sounds, it's a normal and human response).



So Kaidan makes small talk with his family and only feels connection out of duty because he was in BAaT long enough to become a stranger. That's my take anyway and it's how I put it in my fic.

[syllogi]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Sialater wrote...
Wow, Raga, then Bugg? 

Hi, Bugg!

I'm not going to have to give up my, "Involved in a Stupid Love Triangle," title am I?

Actually, Kaidan's been growing on me and it's literally been a last week or so thing.  A) I just finished an ME1 playthrough and something just clicked for some reason and I didn't even romance him.  Him and my Shep were just friends, but I dunno, something just worked there.   I went on a huge rant about subtext and how people all too often judge characters by what they see on the surface or hold them personably responsible for unfortunate gameplay mechanics, and then I did a double-take as I thought about that.  I was like, "um, me with Kaidan much?"  He's oozing subtext.  If you spend more than half a second thinking about him there are multiple really interesting things about him I just flat out never noticed.  Like that thing he has for asari.  I really never caught that before.  I noticed but it never "sank in."  Or that thing about him liking heroes I observed a few pages back.  I dunno.  I need to dissect him some more, but so far so good.  I haven't done a serious Kaidan romance run since before ME2 came out.  I need to do that.

It's nice to see people giving characters a new shot -- and it's a good reason why we should get all the teammates back in ME3 -- it would give the writers another chance at letting the fans discover new facets of character's personalities. 

One of the things about Kaidan that I appreciate is that he's written in a very subtle manner -- you kind of have to listen to each of his lines to get the full picture of who he is, and even then, we don't get as much information as say, Ashley, for whom we know tons more about.  I understand why he's not everybody's favorite character, or favorite love interest, but I'm always puzzled by out and out hate for him, especially before ME2 (I get why people hate the Virmire Survivor on Horizon, even if I don't necessarily agree with the anger).  He's a loyal and trustworthy soldier, a good second in command, and he'll even DIE for Shepard's cause.  What about that is hate-worthy? 

[Jade5233]

I agree, Teen!

Brodyaha wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

however, RTFM was one of my favorite lines ever. and asari fetish sites. and i love gina parasini. okay, i'm done now

Out of curiosity: when does he say this line?
And I couldn't find any cool dialogue on Noveria.  

EDIT: never mind, found it on youtube.

The RTFM line is when you go to the basement to nuke the Rachni facility.
The asari fettish one is in the hotel--that exec Turian (forget the name).  But you can't have any females in your party (apart from Fem Shep) or the gals steal the show instead and he doesn't say his line.
I think the "what?" at the end of it is cute.  LOL

Modifié par Jade5233, 27 août 2010 - 06:05 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Have any of you ever considered the possibility of Legion stalking Kaidan due to his (in some cases) close relationship with Shepard? 

Maybe even trying to learn a thing or two so our geth friend has a better chance at wooing Femshep? 

[Sialater]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Have any of you ever considered the possibility of Legion stalking Kaidan due to his (in some cases) close relationship with Shepard? 

Maybe even trying to learn a thing or two so our geth friend has a better chance at wooing Femshep? 

Huh, that is actually a highly interesting question.  It isn't unreasonable that Legion may have sought out some of Shep's old squadmembers.  I never considered that possibility before.  Now I doubt any of them saw him, but that is still really interesting.

Sinvraal actually did that quite well in Exitus.

[FireEye]

I wondered if the sweater line was more along the lines of Kaidan pulling up an old joke rather than his mother actually telling him to bring a sweater to Noveria specifically.  I like his Noveria squadmate banter primarily because of the incendiaries line.  XD

Even if Kaidan was an only child, it's possible he picked up his older child taking care of younger children tendancies at BAaT - he was probably one of the oldest, and I can see him and other older biotics being protective and supportive of the younger kids that would no have doubtedly been there.

[Sialater]

That's a good point about BAaTT. Also, I've never thought it was a specific line of advice, more like, at one point in his life, his mom told him, "When you go somewhere cold, always bring a sweater."

[siriusrambles]

Brodyaha wrote...
I imagine Kaidan being on alright terms with his parents, but talking about neutral stuff most of the time, such as the weather. Hence Kaidan's mom's comment about wearing a sweater on Noveria. He's not stupid enough to be unprepared for cold weather!

my mom asks about the weather every time i talk to her on the phone and nags me about wearing a coat when the temperature drops.  that reminder of her is why i love the sweater line so much. 

[Quaay]

I always picture him calling his mom before or after missions just to check in. So I see him telling her they are going to Noveria next and she is like "I hear its really cold there, hun. Be sure to pack a sweaterrrrrr!" I do seem to have a thing for mama's boys though so I probably just see what I want to see