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[FireEye]

sagequeen wrote...

I must admit I'm a little torn on a VS DLC vs. an epic ME3 role. I mainly want ash/kaidan back as epicly awesome character - and i would want them to be awesome more than to get them right away. to that end, i think our friends over on the ashley thread are terrific allies in the effort to make sure the VS is remembered and returned to us.

I want both.  XD

O, new page:

Modifié par FireEye, 29 août 2010 - 05:50 .

[solvill]

VS DLC makes better sens for Ash/Kaidan to have epic role in ME3. People will have better chance to know them and DLC will prepare ground for their epic comeback in ME3, not to mention that devs could give us a bone before ME3

[Jade5233]

@Characters:  There aren't any characters I hate either.  But there are a lot that I simply don't use.  I'm not a big fan of Miranda from a RP standpoint, but I do bring her along a lot (not on Horizon, would never bring her or Jacob to Horizon ever!  That would just add insult to injury on a couple of levels).  Miranda's useful.
And I like Tali--she's like a little sister.  But not someone I feel that my Shepard could really talk to for that same reason.  Compare that to Ash whom I think my Shepard probably could have talked to her about practically anything.  However, I don't often bring her along on missions after the Citadel.
Garrus I like, but there is that little bit of anymosity as a fan simply because of the fan service that he and Tali get and the neglect that Kaidan gets.

Brodyaha wrote...

BioWare's new apparel

The shirt ideas have definitely been inspiring, because I suggested to Norman about having the DAII dragon charcoal shirt in a women's size, and the "Enkindle this!" T-shirt in my suggestions to Ms. Norman. Obviously, she won't listen solely to one person. However, others must've requested these shirts too, because they were made. But what if I and all those other people decided, "Pffft! I'm not going to ask, because it there's no point!" Then maybe there would've been no requests.

If BioWare can put Tali, Garrus and Blasto the Hanar Spectre onto shirts, and people are willing to wear shirts of a quarian, a reptilian/cat/bird alien creature, and a giant jellyfish with guns, then a shirt referencing Kaidan should be reasonable request (and in my opinion, a lot more...normal?)

And if we're vocal enough, DLC will be made. And if we get the thread even larger, than Kaidan will have a larger role in ME3.

As I stated yesterday, I've started commenting on some of Norman's ME twitters--always on her topic but requesting Kaidan.

[Lovestories]

sagequeen wrote...

I must admit I'm a little torn on a VS DLC vs. an epic ME3 role. I mainly want ash/kaidan back as epicly awesome character - and i would want them to be awesome more than to get them right away. to that end, i think our friends over on the ashley thread are terrific allies in the effort to make sure the VS is remembered and returned to us.

This is exactly how I feel I'm not sure, I wonder if any reunion in dlc will be downplayed because why put too much effort into making it epic when its just dlc, the main game is gonna count the most because thats what everyones gonna want to get. I dunno I'll see how  I feel about it after I find out how the Liara romance is handled in dlc. But then again she doesnt really require an "epic" reunion with Shepard anyway b/c of her role in ME2.

[Nik_Li]

So we have DLCs for Leliana, Liara and Morrigan... I'm starting to see a pattern here. Is there any hope of getting a DLC for a character who doesn't have breasts?   

I would love a DLC that included Kaidan, I'd pay a squillion Bioware points for that! And/or my right leg...

Modifié par Nik_Li, 29 août 2010 - 01:32 .

[Sialater]

No one pays attention to female gamers. There aren't enough of us.

[Jade5233]

Oh!  But female characters can romance Liliana and Liara, too.  *rolls eyes*

Feels that way, doesn't it--that women are neglected as a demographic.  I think its just because were not as immaturely vocal.
I'd love to have a Zevran DLC, too.  I'd like to see what he was up to in Antiva before coming to Fereldan.
And I don't think that a DLC would have enough time/content to have a full reunion for Kaidan and Shep.  It would be a small stepping stone.  I think a lot of us in FF have show how much work it will take for the two of them to get back on comfortable footing with each other again.  But I'd like to see an olive branch extended in DLC--and to get to be on a squad with him again.

I've been playing my "Alenko Shepard" character (I know, not really creative.  Ah well) in preparation for the Liara DLC.  And its just not as fun.  Yes.  I have Kaidan with me.  But I really miss playing as a girl.  I just think the scenes are better with femShep.  And then there's romancing Kaidan. 

[Jade5233]

Brodyaha and I just posted on the "Who should you save K/A" thread here:

http://social.biowar...index/4423093/2



I let off a mini-rant. (Well, not a rant, but an explanation of why I like Kaidan as a character).

[sagefic]

Nik_Li wrote...

So we have DLCs for Leliana, Liara and Morrigan... I'm starting to see a pattern here. Is there any hope of getting a DLC for a character who doesn't have breasts?   

I would love a DLC that included Kaidan, I'd pay a squillion Bioware points for that! And/or my right leg...

Valid point. Apparently, the assumption is that all us gamers want to be squeezing breasts, as we have none of our own. 

not sure if that's the best way to put it, but, there you are. some of us want other things....

[Pacifien]

Sialater wrote...
No one pays attention to female gamers. There aren't enough of us.

Based on a few completely unscientific polls, it would seem the male:female ratio is likely 65%:35% around the forum. So if there was a DLC pertaining to a male character, it would have to be one who holds considerable crossover appeal, which looks to be Garrus.

I take comfort in that Kaidan had a very strong showing in the male LI poll.

[Lovestories]

Nik_Li wrote...

So we have DLCs for Leliana, Liara and Morrigan... I'm starting to see a pattern here. Is there any hope of getting a DLC for a character who doesn't have breasts?   
..

I'm sorry what?  why would anyone want to play that?!! =P

Sialater wrote...

No one pays attention to female gamers. There aren't enough of us.

Yeah sad but true, I remember when I first started playing mass effect I felt weird playing as a female, I'm so use to playing as a male in games that it was weird for a minute, so I played as a male first. Tbh I love
playing as both there isnt much difference for me, except making an
attractive looking male and females that arent too similar looking can
be hard.

To go OT for the last can I just say I felt that was really unfair in the first game seriously one male LI for females and then an asari who "isnt a female" *rolls eyes till they fall out of their sockets* that was just more service to male players who wanted to have a lesbian scene.  And yeah ME2 made the choice even...but two aliens? one human? .........yeah

ANYWAY sorry. When it comes to DLC featuring Kaidan/Ash I  think its really gonna come down to they have it planned with them included already or were arent gonna get it without loads of people wanting it (more than, in that thread) I dont know. I hope we do though. I'm just glad Garrus is my favourite character too, so atleast one of them is likely to get some attention.

Seriously they kept them out of the game, dlc or not I really want to see Kaidan doing something really cool in ME3 otherwise its gonna feel like they were just exxagerating their "important role". Just to speculate it does in fact seem like Liara has one with the Shadowbroker stuff, we'll porbably get some intel on the Alliance and Ceberus, if this is the beginning of the bridge really feels like they are setting us up for a lone man type of escapade. With liara we're getting enough knowledge to go it alone, we've got the team....so what are the VS gonna do? I hope its big =) BIg enough that I never have to read Kaidan and wuss/whiney in the same sentence again

Modifié par Lovestories, 29 août 2010 - 03:49 .

[sagefic]

he did at that. well, again, 2000+ pages has to count for something, right?

[Pacifien]

Jade5233 wrote...
Brodyaha and I just posted on the "Who should you save K/A" thread here:
http://social.biowar...index/4423093/2

I suppose I'll share my thoughts in that thread in a bit as well.

I probably can't exclude the idea the idea that I'm biased. I play female Shepards. I've romanced Kaidan in almost every one. In one of my two male Shepard playthroughs, I intended to romance Ashley and would have likely saved her on Virmire because, well, you can't really complete the romance without doing that.   However, my love for Wrex is apparently incredibly strong. That one playthrough was the only time I couldn't talk Wrex down on Virmire, so Ashley shot him. So I really did leave her to die on Virmire simply out of petty anger. Hey, I'm only human!

So my other male Shepard playthrough, I romanced Liara. I ended up picking Kaidan for what I considered roleplay reasons, as he wasn't a love interest and Wrex was alive and well. I had no reason to choose Kaidan over Ashley for emotional reasons.

I picked Kaidan because he was the one I left with the bomb. Sometimes I think it makes sense to send Kaidan with the Salarians because he's an officer with command experience and, in my little Mass Effect universe, one with experience in working with aliens. (I mean, beyond just BAaT.) But other times, I view Ashley's experience as a soldier is more valuable to the Salarians while it makes more sense for Kaidan, a tech, to set up the bomb. And because I want to make sure there's no problems with the bomb going off, I feel I have to return.

But okay, I did admit to sending Kaidan with the Salarians a few times, though, didn't I? Using my reasoning above, I should have gone to get Ashley for the same reason. Instead, I take Kirrahe's word for it that once the bomb is set, there's not much change that it's not going to go off. I like the excuse to go to the AA Tower because I find the confrontation with Saren much more dramatic, the way he lifts you up by the neck and dangles you over the edge.

Okay, I admit it. I pick Kaidan because I like him more. I am such a weak roleplayer.

Probably helps againg that I use Kaidan all the time in combat. I never could get the hang of using Ashley's Soldier abilities. I couldn't even get a hang of using my own Soldier abilities when I played one. I've seen a friend of mine completely dominate the playing field with himself, Ashley, and Wrex under permanent Immunity. Untouchable. But I'm a tech spamming fool. Sabotage, Overload, Damping for everyone! Kaidan and Garrus are my boys. Plus, as I've mentioned before in this thread, I am in love with Neural Shock. Kaidan fits my playstyle perfectly.

One time, when I played an Adept, Kaidan and Liara were my team. The final battle with Saren-Sovereign, the guy never hit the ground once or was able to get off a single shot. Constant stream of Lift for the win.

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 août 2010 - 03:53 .

[sagefic]

heh, i like the way you think pacifen.

i, too, brought kaidan with me for the bomb. it's the priority, it gets the tech expert and i go back for it. doesn't help that i really WANT to go back and make sure he's okay.

however, i was once told in a char discussion that this was "cold" of me to choose kaidan for practical reasons. i was like - um, the practical reasons keep shep feeling justified, but she WANTS to do this. apparently someone thought i should make that decision based on totally emotional reasons. my opinion - no good choice, really, but each time i played it, i always felt i ought to save kaidan.

[Alice829]

Somehow, I missed the announcement of the Morrigan DLC coming out on the same day as the Shadow Broker DLC. Now THAT'S a story I do want to see. Flemeth has already been confirmed as a DA2 character; I can't wait to see how they're going to work this in. Of course, there's a lot of fanfic that's going to have to be rewritten now...

I also notice that it's specified this is the final DLC for DA:O, and that the Shadow Broker DLC is NOT specified as such, even though the technically savvy amongst us have ferreted out all the 'hidden' sound files, and say this is it. BW had to know people would get to those files, so maybe nothing too spoilerish was put there. The Morrigan DLC does give me hope that maybe we will be getting actual story between now and ME3.

We've all been going on the assumption that BW won't put any real content in the DLC, but why not? If Liara's story continues after the main story, why not other loose ends? New ME3 players won't care; this would all be just background to them. They could start with a full ship, ready to go; they won't really care about how characters got there if they haven't bothered to get the first two games. There has also been the assumption that whether or not you got the DLC shouldn't affect the story. Maybe we should say, it won't affect the PLOT. I'm sure you'll be able to start ME3 with no DLC; there'll be a few lines of exposition to get everyone up to speed. Already Anderson's situation has changed, which you wouldn't know if you hadn't read the new book; I'm sure it will be gone over early in ME3. But if you want the STORY, that's something else. If you pay more, you should get more. And no more stinkin' armor or weapons!

Feeling much better about the wait for ME3....

Modifié par Alice829, 29 août 2010 - 04:15 .

[Lovestories]

I just skimmed through a bit of that ash or Kaidan thread and noticed someone said that they save Kaidan just to see if they give him something memorable in 3. Yes please the VS (Kaidan more than Ash imo) need something memorable to make more people like them and again for those that went off them on horizon. Its really sad that two interesting characters are just being buried under 12 other characters shadows. Cmon we all love the badboy, the psycho etc etc we've got enough on them for now. Liara's got her vendetta going, I think I now agree with what someone posted earlier in here DLC (if ts good) will help win the VS some favour. However I dont know how much that will help Kaidan considering alot of players left him on Virmire *sigh*
Hmmm maybe this will be better placed in the wishlist thread

Modifié par Lovestories, 29 août 2010 - 04:16 .

[fortunesque]

I always save Kaidan for more practical reasons as well. Simply put, he's more use to Shep than Ash.



Though I do like Ash a lot. But let's face it, feelings shouldn't be part of Shepard's decision there if Shep is truly a good Commander. The mission should come first always. And I have been told that that reasoning is so cold and uncaring blahblahblah.



But you know what? "She has a family" isn't sound reasoning IMO. I'll pick the powerful biotic/tech/medic who outranks the other person by 4 ranks who has worked with aliens before who is mild mannered and soft spoken. Again, I *love* Ash, but when I put that line of thinking in play, there's no way I can't choose Kaidan.

[sapphyreelf]

Marines/Officers should not be making decisions based off emotions. It'll get you relieved of command.

[Jade5233]

Pacifien wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...
Brodyaha and I just posted on the "Who should you save K/A" thread here:
http://social.biowar...index/4423093/2

I suppose I'll share my thoughts in that thread in a bit as well.

I probably can't exclude the idea the idea that I'm biased. I play female Shepards. I've romanced Kaidan in almost every one. In one of my two male Shepard playthroughs, I intended to romance Ashley and would have likely saved her on Virmire because, well, you can't really complete the romance without doing that.   However, my love for Wrex is apparently incredibly strong. That one playthrough was the only time I couldn't talk Wrex down on Virmire, so Ashley shot him. So I really did leave her to die on Virmire simply out of petty anger. Hey, I'm only human!

So my other male Shepard playthrough, I romanced Liara. I ended up picking Kaidan for what I considered roleplay reasons, as he wasn't a love interest and Wrex was alive and well. I had no reason to choose Kaidan over Ashley for emotional reasons.

I picked Kaidan because he was the one I left with the bomb. Sometimes I think it makes sense to send Kaidan with the Salarians because he's an officer with command experience and, in my little Mass Effect universe, one with experience in working with aliens. (I mean, beyond just BAaT.) But other times, I view Ashley's experience as a soldier is more valuable to the Salarians while it makes more sense for Kaidan, a tech, to set up the bomb. And because I want to make sure there's no problems with the bomb going off, I feel I have to return.

But okay, I did admit to sending Kaidan with the Salarians a few times, though, didn't I? Using my reasoning above, I should have gone to get Ashley for the same reason. Instead, I take Kirrahe's word for it that once the bomb is set, there's not much change that it's not going to go off. I like the excuse to go to the AA Tower because I find the confrontation with Saren much more dramatic, the way he lifts you up by the neck and dangles you over the edge.

Okay, I admit it. I pick Kaidan because I like him more. I am such a weak roleplayer.

Probably helps againg that I use Kaidan all the time in combat. I never could get the hang of using Ashley's Soldier abilities. I couldn't even get a hang of using my own Soldier abilities when I played one. I've seen a friend of mine completely dominate the playing field with himself, Ashley, and Wrex under permanent Immunity. Untouchable. But I'm a tech spamming fool. Sabotage, Overload, Damping for everyone! Kaidan and Garrus are my boys. Plus, as I've mentioned before in this thread, I am in love with Neural Shock. Kaidan fits my playstyle perfectly.

One time, when I played an Adept, Kaidan and Liara were my team. The final battle with Saren-Sovereign, the guy never hit the ground once or was able to get off a single shot. Constant stream of Lift for the win.

I tried putting Kaidan with Kirahe once.  I hated him not being on my team where I could watch out for him.  And I hated not knowing what was happening on the other side of the mic.  It was distracting me/Shepard from my mission worrying about him.
I still saved him.  And yes.  Dangling over the edge is much more dramatic.  But I love hoisting Kaidan up over my shoulder at the end of the scene so much. 

I agree with you on Kaidan usage.  He has everything my Shepard needs--all around.  I'm more of an abilities person and a shooter.

@Sage:  I understand where you are coming from.  You need both in that decision.  I sat there stunned a bit the first time I played through Virmire hating and loving that moment.  Hating having to make that decision.  Loving the fact that the game makes you make a decision that means something to the rest of the story.
My decision was made purely because I couldn't leave Kaidan.  But my Kimbri was sure that Kaidan was not going to be happy with her about it and was scrambling as she made the decisions to have firm non-emotional reasons ready for him.  It would have been a lie, of course.  But at least she had sound logic to back up her choice.

[Jade5233]

This poll was put up. Vote, ladies!
http://social.biowar...96/polls/10160/

EDIT:  I give up on making links  *Sigh*

Modifié par Jade5233, 29 août 2010 - 04:32 .

[Lovestories]

When it came to Virmire I usually would choose based on sex. Male save ashley, female saves Kaidan. But thats because I cant help but romance Kaidan when playing a femshep, even when I want to nuke him to see the difference with femshep and Ash. I cant esspecially because of what Fortunesque wrote, saving Kaidan also makes more sense.

I would have saved Kaidan with a Malehep had I realised I had accidentally romanced Liara =(

[NICKjnp]

I never have to kill Wrex.... I just do his family armor mission first. I prefer Kaidan to Ashley because he is much better at incapacitating enemies in ME1. Ashley is good at killing stuff... but Kaidan is good at making things not do anything while you shoot them.

[syllogi]

Yeah, I hate to admit it, but I've had a playthrough where Ash was saved on Virmire. I hate that choice, and I think it leads to people projecting WAY more hate on both characters than they deserve, but it's just logical to save Kaidan. He is the officer, the valuable stable L2 biotic, and he's your second in command, who was handpicked by Anderson for this mission for a reason.



Add to that what Kirrahe says about how the bomb is only as dependable as the person who sets it...why wouldn't you choose the tech expert to stay with the nuke? And yeah, once the nuke is set, it shouldn't be able to be deactivated, but why would you assume that Saren, with REAPER technology, wouldn't have some unforeseen way of deactivating it? Going back to defend the person with the nuke is logical, and putting Kaidan in that position is the only choice that makes sense to me.



I have to admit, it does prejudice me in some ways when I hear people say that they always choose Ash. It sucks because it's one or the other, but as someone who would REALLY like to see more "Normal Guy" characters in games, knowing that people are blowing him up and proving the devs theory that what people really want are badasses like Zaeed, makes me sad.

[NICKjnp]

TeenZombie wrote...

Yeah, I hate to admit it, but I've had a playthrough where Ash was saved on Virmire. I hate that choice, and I think it leads to people projecting WAY more hate on both characters than they deserve, but it's just logical to save Kaidan. He is the officer, the valuable stable L2 biotic, and he's your second in command, who was handpicked by Anderson for this mission for a reason.

Add to that what Kirrahe says about how the bomb is only as dependable as the person who sets it...why wouldn't you choose the tech expert to stay with the nuke? And yeah, once the nuke is set, it shouldn't be able to be deactivated, but why would you assume that Saren, with REAPER technology, wouldn't have some unforeseen way of deactivating it? Going back to defend the person with the nuke is logical, and putting Kaidan in that position is the only choice that makes sense to me.

I have to admit, it does prejudice me in some ways when I hear people say that they always choose Ash. It sucks because it's one or the other, but as someone who would REALLY like to see more "Normal Guy" characters in games, knowing that people are blowing him up and proving the devs theory that what people really want are badasses like Zaeed, makes me sad.

To argue (for fun) with what you said.... Anderson didn't handpick him for you.  He was originaly part of the crew (and Ashley became part of it) before Shepard's Spectre status.  As a Specre (in the first game... the second game basically wrote off being a spectre as nothing and unimportant which is a discussion for another time) you get to choose (according to lore) who you want (obviously the game devs do that for you).  They only people who can supersede your authority are the three councilors (and they don't like to get involved with Spectre business).  As much as Udina ****es.... he is insignificant (the only reason he can lock the Normandy is because the council allows it)... as well as Anderson (who admits that Shepard answers to nobody but the council).  You don't even have a chain of command.  You can tell that Rear Admiral to screw off and you tell the reporter that you are only alliance in name so that you can use the Normandy.

Now that you have the Normandy there isn't a need to even be called "Commander".  It seems more an honorary title than anything... personaly I want to be called Spectre Shepard, Agent Shepard or Spectre Agent Shepard in the next game.

As for Zaeed... I hope they don't include him in the next game.  He is too cliche' and over the top of a character.  It is to the point where it is annoying.  Where other characters seem to have character flaws that are believable they make his flaw that he is too "hard".  He seems to be a character for 20 year-old college boys who have little understanding of reality.