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[Giggles_Manically]

Collider wrote...

Sweet.

[Chignon]

The tons of messages bothered me almost as much as that stupid mission complete screen. I want the debriefings back - with all the squadmembers, including Kaidan.

[FireEye]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Hopefully he is back in action because if they do a cameo and email I lose all respect for Bioware.

What about a cameo, an email, and, at the end of the game, an inclusion in a minor cinematic?

Chignon wrote...

The tons of messages bothered me almost
as much as that stupid mission complete screen. I want the debriefings
back - with all the squadmembers, including Kaidan.

And Hackett!

...but mostly Kaidan, yeah. 

Modifié par FireEye, 30 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[Giggles_Manically]

FireEye wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Hopefully he is back in action because if they do a cameo and email I lose all respect for Bioware.

What about a cameo, an email, and, at the end of the game, an inclusion in a minor cinematic?

Then I will still be miffed a good bit.

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

And Hackett!

...but mostly Kaidan, yeah. 

You know what, I always wondered who'd have to do all the Hackett missions after Shepard died. It must've been Kaidan - so it's no wonder he looked so tired on Horizon.

[Jade5233]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I was just making a post about Kaidan Alenko on another thread. It made me think about how I viewed him. I actually just wanted to post here that I do support Kaidan even though I left him to die. He was a good man and a good soldier. He died honorably and I hope he gets a good role in Mass Effect 3 if he's alive, or more recognition in ME 3 if he's dead. So even though I did leave the man to die I will never forget my only casualty so far in the battle against the Reapers. Kaidan is a hero no matter how you slice it. He certainly deserves a good role in Mass Effect 3.

Thanks for that, Sparda. 

@Chignon:
It is a lovely sketch.  You got it just right, which isn't easy to do with drawing.  Now there are three drawn ones that I really like. 

Chignon
I agree with fortunesque. It is not that Kaidan is boring, he's just not as 'flashy' as some of the other characters. He doesn't have a 'badass' intro like Thane, no unique outfit like all the squadmates in ME2 and is generally quiet and unobstrusive, trying to be helpful and give advice. People like Kaidan tend to get overlooked and get deemed boring.

You know, I wonder if Kaidan kinda does that on purpose.  There are a number of us who have characterized him as feeling uncomfortable at times outside of the military due to people's prejudice/fear against biotics--especially L2's.  I wonder if, especially after brain camp if he developed a "low-profile" style to draw as little further attention to himself and his biotics as possible--a coping mechanism of sorts.
Just kinda thinking "out loud' here

The thing I liked best about Ash is that she and my first Shepard seemed to resonate over the faith issue.  Made me like her more.  Her discussions about her family I like, too. 

@fort:  Yeah.  I know.  I want to bury my head in the sand most of the time.  A lot of the time I feel like "why bother."  But then only the haters are being vocal and BioWare sees even less of us.  So I've started posting more here and there.  I don't really care if some idiot start ranting.  Then they look like the idiot, but at least I've said my peace.  *shrugs*

[Jade5233]

FireEye wrote...

Collider wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I really want him on my team again.

True that

I want him on my team, lifting my enemies so I can snipe them out of the air again. 

YES!  I love it when Kaidan does that before I even have to ask him to do it!

FireEye
What about a cameo, an email, and, at the end of the game, an inclusion in a minor cinematic?

No.  And especially if that cinematic has him talking to some little tart that is so obviously checking him out.
I know, not Lilith's faulth.  Its just  she gets nice time with him, supporting him, he tries to protect her and we get yelled at.   
I can't help that I am happy she gets smoothied.  Tart. 

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread. 

[Chignon]

Jade5233 wrote...

@Chignon:
It is a lovely sketch.  You got it just right, which isn't easy to do with drawing.  Now there are three drawn ones that I really like. 

That's very nice of you to say!  I'll try to do better next time.

Jade5233 wrote...

Chignon
I agree with fortunesque. It is not that Kaidan is boring, he's just not as 'flashy' as some of the other characters. He doesn't have a 'badass' intro like Thane, no unique outfit like all the squadmates in ME2 and is generally quiet and unobstrusive, trying to be helpful and give advice. People like Kaidan tend to get overlooked and get deemed boring.

You know, I wonder if Kaidan kinda does that on purpose.  There are a number of us who have characterized him as feeling uncomfortable at times outside of the military due to people's prejudice/fear against biotics--especially L2's.  I wonder if, especially after brain camp if he developed a "low-profile" style to draw as little further attention to himself and his biotics as possible--a coping mechanism of sorts.
Just kinda thinking "out loud' here

The thing I liked best about Ash is that she and my first Shepard seemed to resonate over the faith issue.  Made me like her more.  Her discussions about her family I like, too. 

That's a really interesting point. I've never thought about that it just might be something Kaidan more or less chose to be. Oh, Ash. At first I really tried not to talk to her, not to like her so Virmire wouldn't be as hard, but I still did.

[siriusrambles]

i was unaware someone had to die in me1. virmire was awful because my femshep had to choose between her two best friends. she'd become attached to both characters. it was the most depressing moment in the game.

[Reverie]

siriusrambles wrote...

i was unaware someone had to die in me1. virmire was awful because my femshep had to choose between her two best friends. she'd become attached to both characters. it was the most depressing moment in the game.

Yeah. My first time playing the game it was quite the surprise to find out that I had to leave one of them behind.

[Sialater]

Reverie wrote...

siriusrambles wrote...

i was unaware someone had to die in me1. virmire was awful because my femshep had to choose between her two best friends. she'd become attached to both characters. it was the most depressing moment in the game.

Yeah. My first time playing the game it was quite the surprise to find out that I had to leave one of them behind.

I kept looking for a loophole and finally came to the old boards and lurked till I found out there wasn't one. 

[Nightodie]

Sialater wrote...

Reverie wrote...

siriusrambles wrote...

i was unaware someone had to die in me1. virmire was awful because my femshep had to choose between her two best friends. she'd become attached to both characters. it was the most depressing moment in the game.

Yeah. My first time playing the game it was quite the surprise to find out that I had to leave one of them behind.

I kept looking for a loophole and finally came to the old boards and lurked till I found out there wasn't one. 

Yes I froze on the choice screen and picked up the phone and called a friend who had been playing longer and said "You mean I have to pick one?"  he was like "Right."  I was like " I can't pick one..."  It stayed on the Kaidan O Ashley screen for a while as I combed the net trying to find a way out, only to find.... there was none. 

Modifié par Nightodie, 30 août 2010 - 04:06 .

[VintageUtti]

Brodyaha wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread. 

I agree.  ME1 fans of his character would probably be very happy.
Those who only played ME2 would have a better opinion of him.
Those who are starting in ME3 would have a great 1st impression of him.
Perceptions and judgments of people are formed within the first 7-10 seconds of meeting them.Let's compare various character introductions between the games (this'll be a long post....)

ME1

Kaidan: inquiring retort to Joker.

Ashley: shooting geth drones down singlehandedly

Garrus: sneaking around with a sniper rifle and accurately shooting bad guys

Wrex: telling off the policemen of the Citadel while threatening to kill another guy

Tali: throwing a gas bomb at assassins

Liara: in stasis in a Prothean security device

So, pretty much all but two characters have introductions that establish themselves as assertive people that don't take crap.  Of the two that remain, one is a pretty, romancable alien.  So, unless people talk to him and get to know him as a character, (and think he's cute and want him in a romance), Kaidan is overlookable, as far as 1st impressions go.

ME2

Jacob: shooting security mechs

Miranda: shooting somebody in the face

Garrus: sniping out mercs singlehandedly

Mordin: a fast-talking salarian is is described as, "being as likely to help you as to kill you"

Tali: (Freedom's Progress: asserting herself as the leader; Haestrom: found in dangerous geth territory, risking her life)
Jack: blowing people up with her biotic powers and wreaking destruction within a prison

Liara: threatening to flay a person alive with her mind

Thane: assassinating an asari

Samara: assassinating a merc (in a sexy red suit, no less)

Legion: shooting geth and saving Shepard

Ashley & Kaidan: yelling at you on Horizon while Shepard derps away

So, it's my opinion that people haven't really been properly introduced to Kaidan.
And those who have only played ME2 will have a bad first impression.
BioWare should make it count in ME3.   

You're forgetting his grand entrance in the opening cinematic... in his Phoenix armor.    My real-time reaction was, "YES Kaidan... wait is he wearing PINK???"

I would love a Kaidan DLC where you could play as him in flashback mission(s) of what he did in the time after the Normandy crash.  Like when we got to play as Joker - story and gameplay, just without the decision-making.  That would definitely tide me over while allowing lots of hours for his epic reintroduction + resolution with you in ME3.

Modifié par VintageUtti, 30 août 2010 - 04:13 .

[Jean]

Brodyaha wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread. 

I agree.  ME1 fans of his character would probably be very happy.
Those who only played ME2 would have a better opinion of him.
Those who are starting in ME3 would have a great 1st impression of him.
Perceptions and judgments of people are formed within the first 7-10 seconds of meeting them.Let's compare various character introductions between the games (this'll be a long post....)

ME1

Kaidan: inquiring retort to Joker.

Ashley: shooting geth drones down singlehandedly

Garrus: sneaking around with a sniper rifle and accurately shooting bad guys

Wrex: telling off the policemen of the Citadel while threatening to kill another guy

Tali: throwing a gas bomb at assassins

Liara: in stasis in a Prothean security device

So, pretty much all but two characters have introductions that establish themselves as assertive people that don't take crap.  Of the two that remain, one is a pretty, romancable alien.  So, unless people talk to him and get to know him as a character, (and think he's cute and want him in a romance), Kaidan is overlookable, as far as 1st impressions go.

ME2

Jacob: shooting security mechs

Miranda: shooting somebody in the face

Garrus: sniping out mercs singlehandedly

Mordin: a fast-talking salarian is is described as, "being as likely to help you as to kill you"

Tali: (Freedom's Progress: asserting herself as the leader; Haestrom: found in dangerous geth territory, risking her life)
Jack: blowing people up with her biotic powers and wreaking destruction within a prison

Liara: threatening to flay a person alive with her mind

Thane: assassinating an asari

Samara: assassinating a merc (in a sexy red suit, no less)

Legion: shooting geth and saving Shepard

Ashley & Kaidan: yelling at you on Horizon while Shepard derps away

So, it's my opinion that people haven't really been properly introduced to Kaidan.
And those who have only played ME2 will have a bad first impression.
BioWare should make it count in ME3.   

They could of done nothing at all

[Jean]

VintageUtti wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread. 

I agree.  ME1 fans of his character would probably be very happy.
Those who only played ME2 would have a better opinion of him.
Those who are starting in ME3 would have a great 1st impression of him.
Perceptions and judgments of people are formed within the first 7-10 seconds of meeting them.Let's compare various character introductions between the games (this'll be a long post....)

ME1

Kaidan: inquiring retort to Joker.

Ashley: shooting geth drones down singlehandedly

Garrus: sneaking around with a sniper rifle and accurately shooting bad guys

Wrex: telling off the policemen of the Citadel while threatening to kill another guy

Tali: throwing a gas bomb at assassins

Liara: in stasis in a Prothean security device

So, pretty much all but two characters have introductions that establish themselves as assertive people that don't take crap.  Of the two that remain, one is a pretty, romancable alien.  So, unless people talk to him and get to know him as a character, (and think he's cute and want him in a romance), Kaidan is overlookable, as far as 1st impressions go.

ME2

Jacob: shooting security mechs

Miranda: shooting somebody in the face

Garrus: sniping out mercs singlehandedly

Mordin: a fast-talking salarian is is described as, "being as likely to help you as to kill you"

Tali: (Freedom's Progress: asserting herself as the leader; Haestrom: found in dangerous geth territory, risking her life)
Jack: blowing people up with her biotic powers and wreaking destruction within a prison

Liara: threatening to flay a person alive with her mind

Thane: assassinating an asari

Samara: assassinating a merc (in a sexy red suit, no less)

Legion: shooting geth and saving Shepard

Ashley & Kaidan: yelling at you on Horizon while Shepard derps away

So, it's my opinion that people haven't really been properly introduced to Kaidan.
And those who have only played ME2 will have a bad first impression.
BioWare should make it count in ME3.   

You're forgetting his grand entrance in the opening cinematic... in his Phoenix armor.    My real-time reaction was, "YES Kaidan... wait is he wearing PINK???"

I would love a Kaidan DLC where you could play as him in flashback mission(s) of what he did in the time after the Normandy crash.  Like when we got to play as Joker - story and gameplay, just without the decision-making.  That would definitely tide me over while allowing lots of hours for his epic reintroduction + resolution with you in ME3.

But they'd also have to make on for Ash too. That adds extra complication, I'd imagine.

[sagefic]

Brodyaha wrote...

EDIT: and reading the novels hasn't made me like Cerberus any better....besides Shepard's resurrection, Cerberus is rather incompetent.

i need to read them. incompetent or evil - one of the two. i vote EVIL. where's the conspiracy brigade?

Jade5233 wrote...

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread.  

THIS is so true. yes, good intro cutscene, PLEASE!

[Aslanasadi]

Good Morning everyone who might be still around

RL and ME2 are keeping me busy atm...I left Horizon behind me...and just try to rescue Tali....All this fighting is good for my femshep, keeping her mind away from Horizon and Kaidan ....

Anyway I rewrote the Geth...just could not destroy them... I thought to kill them is worse....at least in my opinion...

Kaidan and Jacob have totally different personalties...Nothing against Jacob, but really, you can't compare them...

Virmire hit me hard the first time...I ended up staring at the screen and trying to figure out, how I could get out of this situation...until I realized, that there was no way out and I had to make a decision...and I felt bad a long time about it....

@Chignon...love your sketch

...

[AkodoRyu]

Chignon wrote...

I'm not Jho (sadly, I lack the skills with Adobe & Co.), but I thought I'd share a very quick sketch with you.

Pwetty *_* and qfj. Curse you, my Lack of Real Life Style Drawing, curse you! *fistshake*

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 30 août 2010 - 09:14 .

[solvill]

Don't get me wrong i love Kaidan and Ash, but from the storytelling point of view Virmir is one of the most remarkable moments in the history of gameplays. I've never play a game when i had to make such a choice. First time when i was playing for good 10 min i was staring at the screen thinking what to do, i thought that maybe i will be able to save both but i didn't want risk to lose Kaidan. The choice was hard and I would definitely prefere to choose between my all squadmates, but that moment in game was something that make me like it so much ( as if Kaidan wasn't enough ) what will make that i wil be coming back to that game. ME 2 lack this kind of situation and for me it's just boring ( as if lack of Kaidan wasn't enough )

[WhisperingCity]

I'm late to the whole Mass Effect party, just got ME1 in May, and started lurking around here around June. I'm not very active on forums, ever, so I'm still kinda surprised at myself for registering at all. I haven't posted in this intimidating thread before (I mean geez, it's what...almost 3000 pages now?) but I've followed some discussion here and seen some gorgeous pics. So, I am just climbing out of the woodwork to say that I liked Kaidan immediately. It might've been the voice. Possibly the hair. Mayhap it was because when he knelt down to close Jenkins's eyes on Eden Prime, his biotics were still shimmering blue. Plus, he knelt down to close the kid's eyes, period. I think he's tragically underrated, both as a character and as a team mate. I pretty much used Kaidan, Wrex, and Ashley exclusively during my first playthrough, and had to make a conscious effort to give the others more face time on my second go. I personally found his story about BAat very interesting, simply because up until then, I hadn't even imagined him losing self control. He was so down to earth and dependable. I'd hoped to be able to explore more of his past in ME2, but alas. Some of my other Sheps have other love interests, but my first one stayed loyal to him. Horizon or no Horizon, how could a woman cheat on a good guy like that?

True, Kaidan's awesomeness is more subtle, Brody might have something there. No cutscene whizbangs for him (yet). But awesomeness is still awesomeness and I'm here to recognize I want all my buddies back in some form or fashion in ME3, even if I can't have everyone as a potential team mate. If I had to pick just five or six to return as team mates, I know who those would be, and Kaidan definitely makes the cut. But I don't want to be thrown a bone. Not another cameo or email >.> Real screen time, please!

And, at random, surely I'm not the only one who found it strange that I'm on a super sekrit mission on a sekrit ship built by a sekrit organization, and everyone I ever met ever still manages to scrounge up my email address? There's no escape, not even in space.      

[Chignon]

Aslanasadi wrote...

@Chignon...love your sketch
...

AkodoRyu wrote...
Pwetty *_* and qfj. Curse you, my Lack of Real Life Style Drawing, curse you! *fistshake*

Thanks! And Akodo, your art is also very pretty. I saw the painting of your Shep (Marge, wasn't it) in the FemShep thread. It's lovely, you're very good at colouring. Me? Not so much.

VintageUtti wrote...
You're forgetting his grand entrance in the opening cinematic... in his Phoenix armor.    My real-time reaction was, "YES Kaidan... wait is he wearing PINK???"

I actually like his intro in ME2. Well, not the pink monstrosity he's wearing, but the intro really grew on me. He seemed so torn between staying by Shepard's side and following her orders.

[Jade5233]

Welcome Whispering City!

Brodyaha wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

Brody
Kaidan--in black armor, first his eyes flame blue like Jho's photo, then his whole body lights up like Dr. Manhattan as he's smashing geth together with a Singularity.

I think you'd have to hose down a large percentage of the population of this thread. 

I agree.  ME1 fans of his character would probably be very happy.
Those who only played ME2 would have a better opinion of him.
Those who are starting in ME3 would have a great 1st impression of him.
Perceptions and judgments of people are formed within the first 7-10 seconds of meeting them.Let's compare various character introductions between the games (this'll be a long post....)

ME1

Kaidan: inquiring retort to Joker.

Ashley: shooting geth drones down singlehandedly

Garrus: sneaking around with a sniper rifle and accurately shooting bad guys

Wrex: telling off the policemen of the Citadel while threatening to kill another guy

Tali: throwing a gas bomb at assassins

Liara: in stasis in a Prothean security device

So, pretty much all but two characters have introductions that establish themselves as assertive people that don't take crap.  Of the two that remain, one is a pretty, romancable alien.  So, unless people talk to him and get to know him as a character, (and think he's cute and want him in a romance), Kaidan is overlookable, as far as 1st impressions go.

ME2

Jacob: shooting security mechs

Miranda: shooting somebody in the face

Garrus: sniping out mercs singlehandedly

Mordin: a fast-talking salarian is is described as, "being as likely to help you as to kill you"

Tali: (Freedom's Progress: asserting herself as the leader; Haestrom: found in dangerous geth territory, risking her life)
Jack: blowing people up with her biotic powers and wreaking destruction within a prison

Liara: threatening to flay a person alive with her mind

Thane: assassinating an asari

Samara: assassinating a merc (in a sexy red suit, no less)

Legion: shooting geth and saving Shepard

Ashley & Kaidan: yelling at you on Horizon while Shepard derps away

So, it's my opinion that people haven't really been properly introduced to Kaidan.
And those who have only played ME2 will have a bad first impression.
BioWare should make it count in ME3.   

Yeah.  I know what you are saying.  Good summation.
I still do like how Kaidan comes onto the scene on Horizon, though.  I think that part is well written--you watch the Collector ship lift off, assume that he's on it, then he comes around the corner almost as if in a dreams with his lovely accolate about Shepard.
But its not heroic.

Aslan
RL and ME2 are keeping me busy atm...I left Horizon behind me...and just try to rescue Tali....All this fighting is good for my femshep, keeping her mind away from Horizon and Kaidan ....

Anyway I rewrote the Geth...just could not destroy them... I thought to kill them is worse....at least in my opinion...

Kaidan and Jacob have totally different personalties...Nothing against Jacob, but really, you can't compare them...

Virmire hit me hard the first time...I ended up staring at the screen and trying to figure out, how I could get out of this situation...until I realized, that there was no way out and I had to make a decision...and I felt bad a long time about it....

I'm at the same point, but I went to Ilium instead.  Kara has permanently donned the Blood Dragon armor so no one can see how Kaidan's rejection has affected her.

Solvill
Don't get me wrong i love Kaidan and Ash, but from the storytelling point of view Virmir is one of the most remarkable moments in the history of gameplays. I've never play a game when i had to make such a choice. First time when i was playing for good 10 min i was staring at the screen thinking what to do, i thought that maybe i will be able to save both but i didn't want risk to lose Kaidan. The choice was hard and I would definitely prefere to choose between my all squadmates, but that moment in game was something that make me like it so much ( as if Kaidan wasn't enough ) what will make that i wil be coming back to that game. ME 2 lack this kind of situation and for me it's just boring ( as if lack of Kaidan wasn't enough )

I completely agree.  I hate leaving one.  But it does make for a more epic feeling game.  The suicide mission in 2 should have been much harder to get everyone out alive.  Since it is the middle act, that part should have been darker in that respect and it was not.  There were 12 team members rather than 6, so perhaps at least one or two should have to be left behind since one had to be in ME1.

[syllogi]

Jade5233 wrote...

I completely agree.  I hate leaving one.  But it does make for a more epic feeling game.  The suicide mission in 2 should have been much harder to get everyone out alive.  Since it is the middle act, that part should have been darker in that respect and it was not.  There were 12 team members rather than 6, so perhaps at least one or two should have to be left behind since one had to be in ME1.

Yeah, although I respect that Virmire made the first game more compelling, in a way, I resent ME2 for having a suicide mission that absolutely wasn't.  Of course people are going to save everyone if they can, most of the time.  I'm sure even the Ashley and Kaidan haters would have saved them both if they had a chance, on at least one of their playthroughs, because of the possibility of them being useful down the road.  Once K or A stopped being useful by permanently dying, they were much easier to hate and dismiss.

And ME2 is NOT dark, and it's certainly not the dark second act they played it up to be before the game came out.  In fact I would say that the game minimized any repercussions for working with Cerberus as much as possible.  If you're romancing an ME2 squadmate, you lose nothing, and gain a lot, by being a Cerberus agent.  Only Ashley or Kaidan fans actually lose anything at all in ME2, and by having them yell at you, even that was minimized, because it was easier to write them off as a big meanie.

Yeah...I would have to say that the Horizon scene is NOT better than nothing.  If Kaidan had been kept out of this game, and the writers revealed afterwards what Horizon was supposed to be like, I would have been relieved that they hadn't butchered the Virmire Survivor's character like that.  I would have even preferred an email.