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[Chignon]

So, this is a post from the Shepards character development thread:

Sable Phoenix wrote...

 And perhaps, if Shepard had not struck up a romance with anyone, we could have seen a contemplative scene, such as walking slowly through the captain's cabin touching the things accumulated through the course of the mission (concentrating on the LI photo if applicable), which would bring up a dialogue wheel with six conversation options, like "Talk to Samara/Thane/Miranda/Mordin/Tali/Garrus", followed by Shepard heading to their respective parts of the ship in search of a bit of personal support.

We all know the picture gazing scene at the end of ME2, but I wanted more and this option would have been great. 
I would have loved to share some memories with Garrus, Tali, Joker, Chakwas, or ask Samara for some guidance and maybe even meditated with her if you wanted to (even better if Shepard is an Adept), or simply sit in companiable silence with Thane in the Life Support. There are so many possibilities.

What do you think of this idea? Would your Shepard talk about Kaidan to anyone on the SR2?

[Collider]

What do you think of this idea? Would your Shepard talk about Kaidan to anyone on the SR2?

Garrus & Tali. Both of them are friends. Chakwas, Thane, & Kasumi also.
I love the idea, chignon. I wish ME2 would have had that for those who stayed faithful.

Modifié par Collider, 06 septembre 2010 - 02:53 .

[Jade5233]

sagequeen wrote...

Random thought:
You know, I was thinking with the short-story collection that is ME2, I think what was so weird about Horizon is that it's like a recruitment mission gone wrong.
Every other character goes like Recruitment-->Loyalty:
Arcangel Base --> Eye for an Eye
Dantius Towers --> Sins of the Father
etc.
Heck, even Freedom's Progress is like Shep's recruitment and then the Suicide Mission is the echo to that. So while it isn't a perfect pairing every time, every other mission has this sort of bookend to it.
Liara's stuff isn't quite as hard for me as Horizon, because it doesn't feel like a mission. It didn't set itself up with that expectation.
But Horizon starts out just like so many other recruitment missions, just with more weight behind it and then it just...stops cold. You can't recruit the VS, you can't resolve things with them. It's like you screwed up somehow and you just can't figure out where. So it's like you've got these paired short stories and then one just hanging in the middle with no resolution. Sort of like a chunk of the book got torn out.
Okay, yeah. My thought for the morning. Point is, I want a VS DLC, or some seriously resolution in ME3. 

Perhaps this is the one time in the game where Shepard seems more human--not the perfect soldier who can handle any situation.
Her screwing it up so royally makes her a mortal like the rest of us.

[Jade5233]

Chignon wrote...

So, this is a post from the Shepards character development thread:

Sable Phoenix wrote...

 And perhaps, if Shepard had not struck up a romance with anyone, we could have seen a contemplative scene, such as walking slowly through the captain's cabin touching the things accumulated through the course of the mission (concentrating on the LI photo if applicable), which would bring up a dialogue wheel with six conversation options, like "Talk to Samara/Thane/Miranda/Mordin/Tali/Garrus", followed by Shepard heading to their respective parts of the ship in search of a bit of personal support.

We all know the picture gazing scene at the end of ME2, but I wanted more and this option would have been great. 
I would have loved to share some memories with Garrus, Tali, Joker, Chakwas, or ask Samara for some guidance and maybe even meditated with her if you wanted to (even better if Shepard is an Adept), or simply sit in companiable silence with Thane in the Life Support. There are so many possibilities.

What do you think of this idea? Would your Shepard talk about Kaidan to anyone on the SR2?

Absolutely.  She wanted desperately to talk to Garrus.  He was Kaidan's friend, too.  He was there on Horizon with her.  She was so hoping to have him help share some of the grief.  Instead he blew her off for calibrations.  He wouldn't talk to her at all.  She felt so compltely dejected and alone.

[Collider]

Perhaps this is the one time in the game where Shepard seems more human--not the perfect soldier who can handle any situation.

Her screwing it up so royally makes her a mortal like the rest of us.

This is part of what sets ME1 and ME2 apart. The ME2 Shepard is some infallible war machine. The ME1 Shepard seems more real, a person who can make errors and think about them. Neither game really made Shepard like a real person IMO, but ME1 was far better in this department.

[sagefic]

@ jade - yes.

though i think what was so weird about horizon is that it felt like it was going to go just like anything else. i blame expectation management there. virmire, i totally knew something bad was going to happen. i could just feel it coming. horizon hit me totally out of the blue.

@ chignon - i dunno. honestly, i think joker. i would have liked to talk to joker about horizon, and not just "i moved on" or "don't ask me rawr!"

plus, did anyone else find it WEIRD that you cannot talk to joker about the fact that you died saving him? it never comes up! seriously - how hard would that have been to add a convo in there. that would have humanized shep and him a bit. they have easter egg dialog of joker singing, watching porn, but not ever talking to shep about such a traumatic event? it's like BW wants you to just forget shep ever died.

[Chignon]

As I said before, Shepard dying had potential, but Bioware degraded it into a cheap way of ensuring your imported ME1 Shepard starts out with level 4 and you painstakingly gaining your ability points.

EDIT: And yes, I would've loved some reaction to the whole mess that was rescuing Joker. I didn't know whether to wring his neck or be glad that at least one familiar face was with me.

Modifié par Chignon, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:08 .

[Elysis]

Frankly, ME2 dialogues were such a disapointment to me. First of all I found the SR2 oddly unfamiliar and cold, same for the crew. My femshep never got along that great with anyone.
(Seriously! 3/4 of the crew is mentally unstable, or the dialogue simply doesn't do *cough Jacob *cough*)

I even found Garrus and Tali very unconcerned about Shep (but we already discussed that.)

I want people to care about my poor lonely femShep Eveyone is so concerned about their own issues *sigh*

[Chignon]

I agree on Kasumi, though I would've felt bad talking to her about Kaidan when considering all that she went through with Keiji. And sharing that bottle of ice brandy would've been a great opportunity; Chakwas even starts with talking about Jenkins and Kaidan. But sadly, as many others before, it was missed.

Modifié par Chignon, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:21 .

[Jade5233]

sagequeen wrote...

@ jade - yes.
though i think what was so weird about horizon is that it felt like it was going to go just like anything else. i blame expectation management there. virmire, i totally knew something bad was going to happen. i could just feel it coming. horizon hit me totally out of the blue.
@ chignon - i dunno. honestly, i think joker. i would have liked to talk to joker about horizon, and not just "i moved on" or "don't ask me rawr!"
plus, did anyone else find it WEIRD that you cannot talk to joker about the fact that you died saving him? it never comes up! seriously - how hard would that have been to add a convo in there. that would have humanized shep and him a bit. they have easter egg dialog of joker singing, watching porn, but not ever talking to shep about such a traumatic event? it's like BW wants you to just forget shep ever died.

Yeah.  I had a bad feeling about Virmire, too.  When Kirahae makes you choose, I had a sinking feeling.  And I wasn't about to let Kaidan out of my sight.  Something bad was going to happen.

Horizon was different in that I didn't know what to expect.  I knew that I'd get yelled at eventually by Kaidan.  And I knew he only had a cameo basically.  But I wasn't sure if he was going to be taken by the Collectors.  I ran everywhere looking for him in every building in a panic.  Then that ship took off.  Oh no.
Then he's there and its like Shepard was stung by one of those Collector bugs.  She's like a statue.  She should have ran up to him and hugged him, thanking God that he was alive and well. 
I know.  Cerberus agents, blah blah.  But I didn't bring any with me.  So that doesn't fly.  I think from telling the whole squad in the conference room after Virmire that I couldn't leave Kaidan down there, they likely had an idea that there.  So that doesn't fly.  Even with not being sure if he had moved on, my Shepard would still be incredibly relieved that he was safe and would likely react similarly. grrr...

[NICKjnp]

@Jade and Sage (and everyone else for that matter)



What bonus weapon do you take on the collector ship?

[Collider]

Depends on what class Shepard is. My favorite one is the Revenant.

[sagefic]

 @ nick: Sniper Rifle!



Because adept femshep + sniper rifle + barrier is the ultimate in cold, calculating b*tich. i mean, tactician

[Chignon]

Maybe not, Brodyaha, but the option to do so would have been nice nonetheless.

And, well, the fraternization regs didn't stop them before. Post-Virmire debriefing comes to my mind or the near kiss in the locker scene and I doubt that sharing a bottle of brandy with Dr Chakwas while on duty is within the rules.



To me, Shepard feels isolated and left alone with this huge weight on her shoulders and nobody seems to care. Maybe it was intended by Bioware, maybe it was shoddy writing. I just would've liked a little silver lining.

[Quaay]

I wanted to talk to Joker and Kasumi about Kaidan. Joker because he's been there from the beginning and kinda knows what's up and Kasumi because I thought she could relate. I think that's why it hurt more that she doesn't mention Kaidan AT ALL. I let her keep the greybox because of my experience with Kaidan...the least she could do is be there for me when I need someone.

[NICKjnp]

sagequeen wrote...

 @ nick: Sniper Rifle!



Because adept femshep + sniper rifle + barrier is the ultimate in cold, calculating b*tich. i mean, tactician

I tried the sniper with my adept... and couldn't stand the zoom effect when trying to use the power wheel.  I have one cqc shotty adept (Nick... who romanced Ashley) and 2 mattock mid range adepts (Jorgen... who romanced Liara and saved Kaidan.  Becky... who romanced Kaidan).  They all use heavy barrier (and don't use shockwave... that power should stay with the vanguards).

Also... it's good to see I'm not the only one that uses the original armor that femshep starts out with.  It is the best looking armor in the game for femshep.

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

At the same time: why do we as gamers need to spend so much time justifying our Shepards within our heads to make up for bad writing? Should we be able to choose that dialogue if we're playing an RPG?

This. This is what gets me everytime when playing Horizon.

Yes, in my head my Shepard was shocked and utterly relieved to find Kaidan; she was fighting to find the right words and ultimately screwed it up. And I'm sure many here make up similiar stories for every decision where Shepard seems too cold, too composed and too distant for it to be justifiable to yourself. But in the end, I think, the only thing we do is make up for the bad writing job and the lack of options we were given.

And yes, I know that we are supposed to project our thoughts and feelings onto Shepard and that s/he is supposed to be a blank slate, a canvas for us to paint. But that doesn't equal him/her being essentially a brick.

Modifié par Chignon, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Jade5233]

NICKjnp wrote...

@Jade and Sage (and everyone else for that matter)

What bonus weapon do you take on the collector ship?

Bonus weapons?
I've only been there with Kimbri.  And she's an adept.  She's the weapon with her biotics.  She likes the submachine gun and her pistol.  But honestly I couldn't even tell you which ones.  The guns are for like punctuation.
I'm sure I'll have to pay more attention, though, when I play on harder difficulties.

Chignon
And, well, the fraternization regs didn't stop them before. Post-Virmire debriefing comes to my mind or the near kiss in the locker scene and I doubt that sharing a bottle of brandy with Dr Chakwas while on duty is within the rules.

Kimbri and Kara don't quite agree with the whole regs thing anyways.  They understand it (Kimbri more than Kara since the former is a military brat) so that random hookups don't cause problems on small ships.  But if there's something more...well, the choice of keeping it completely tapped down or being split up seems like a really stupid, narrow-minded way of ordering things to both of them.

@Nick and armor:  Kimbri uses it, too.  In a bright metallic blue, no less.
BTW, Nick--Norman said that LitSB is going to have some sort of special bonus for adepts, just that she can't say anything about it until tomorrow.

[NICKjnp]

@Jade... I go with gray and black and use the cammo patern so she looks like she is using us special forces urban cammo.

[AkodoRyu]

Just FYI, Christina added it's not for adepts only, but she thinks they will benefit the most of it.

[fortunesque]

Going back to the Kaidan/Ash saving Shep idea:



This is an awesome idea. It could put the players that hate the VS for Horizon into a sticky position because the VS shows that they care immensely about Shepard. Maybe Shep was in a critical condition or something and the VS even administered emergency care and was all like, "Don't die on me again Shepard. I wouldn't be able to stand it."



That'd be a good way to make some people feel bad about their hatred and mistrust. It'd also open up the VS to be a squadmate in ME3 and it'd make Shepard feel like less of a Sue character.

[sagefic]

fortunesque wrote...

Going back to the Kaidan/Ash saving Shep idea:

This is an awesome idea. It could put the players that hate the VS for Horizon into a sticky position because the VS shows that they care immensely about Shepard. Maybe Shep was in a critical condition or something and the VS even administered emergency care and was all like, "Don't die on me again Shepard. I wouldn't be able to stand it."

That'd be a good way to make some people feel bad about their hatred and mistrust. It'd also open up the VS to be a squadmate in ME3 and it'd make Shepard feel like less of a Sue character.

this. especially since the non-romance (which is everyone who didn't play ME1) didn't even get the don't die on me again" in the email.